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03-26-2014, 03:42 PM
TrueMaroon

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Originally Posted by engie

But like I said at the time -- we didn't have huge $$ to spend on basketball at the specific point that the Ray hire was made. When we make our next hire, we will have ridiculous money to throw at it -- and will go get whoever we want within reason...

I never said we were going to hire Shaka Smart. YOU Said that we didn't have huge money to spend on a basketball coach. I said that the money was available for the basketball replacement. And it was.
03-26-2014, 03:47 PM
C222

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully01

Doesn't leave a very talented roster for Martin does it?

They all played in the 2012-13 season which was Martin's first year.
03-26-2014, 03:54 PM
Hypnodawg

I'm still at a complete loss as to why we gave an unproven assistant coach $1M. There are literally 100s of coaches with Brick Ray's qualifications and none of them are making anywhere near what he is making.
03-26-2014, 03:56 PM
TrueMaroon

Also Engie, your basing most of your premise on an article from Clay Travis that is wildly speculative. No one knows for sure how much we will get, but I don know that each SEC school received 20 million dollars in 2011 and 2012. That's a lot of money; but the article you posted says that each school could receive 70 million dollars 10 years from now. Way too much speculation; not enough concrete evidence to support what it will be in 2015.
03-26-2014, 04:02 PM
MarketingBully01

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Originally Posted by C222

They all played in the 2012-13 season which was Martin's first year.

Nice yeah and the two 4 stars that transferred out averaged a nice 4 ppg. And those two four stars you would think would have landed somewhere great right? Nope, Jacksonville and Fordham. Give it up. USC had equal to worse talent then we did when Martin took over but the reason Martin gets more of a pass from me is because he has been a head coach before rebuilt and been successful.

Everything is an unknown with Ray. Shit, we don't know if this is the norm for him or what he will do. We do know he needs to recruit a lot better then he has. If he doesn't, point is moot. I do know USC is in a better situation then we have two years later.
03-26-2014, 04:06 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully01

Everyone of those guys sucks. None were even close to reaching their full potential. Lakeem Jackson was terrible. A 4 star? Like I said based on whose scale? Ellington was the best player they had and he realistically could only play half a season. That really doesn't prove shit.

Where are all the facepalm gifs? You're the one who used stars to show how much talent Ray inherited; I just used the exact same system you did. So now you just claim they were terrible...based on the MarketingBully scale. Cool, well based on the smootness scale, every ounce of production Ware/Thomas/Sword has produced is 100% attributable to Ray because those guys were all actually 1-stars. See where the flaws are in this argument?

And it's funny that you don't blame Martin for the SC players transferring, yet Ray gets all the blame for not keeping everyone that was here when Stans was. Again, I'm just using the same analysis you guys use when throwing Ray under the bus.

Martin inherited talent according to the star rating system, more than Ray did. He just ran them off and couldn't coach them up. So what's the next argument?
03-26-2014, 04:10 PM
shannondawg

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Originally Posted by NCDawg

Think he was hired solely because he is Bailey Howell's son-in-law, and Dr. Keenum was impressed.

Just another reason I am not impressed with Keenum. As a good friend pointed out to me this morning he is a caretaker not a leader with vision..
03-26-2014, 04:16 PM
shannondawg

Comment From Basketball jones
"Are you proud of your rick ray hire?"
10:13"

Now that is what I call using up a question.
03-26-2014, 04:19 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by smootness

Bruce Ellington - 4-star
RJ Slawson - 4-star
Lakeem Jackson - 4-star
Damien Leonard - 4-star
Brian Richardson - 3-star
Eric Smith - 3-star

You were saying?

Shirley you dont think those guys could compare to Shaun Smith, Wendell Lewis, and company????? Stands had wall to wall talent for Ray to move forward with
03-26-2014, 04:22 PM
MarketingBully01

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Originally Posted by smootness

Where are all the facepalm gifs? You're the one who used stars to show how much talent Ray inherited; I just used the exact same system you did. So now you just claim they were terrible...based on the MarketingBully scale. Cool, well based on the smootness scale, every ounce of production Ware/Thomas/Sword has produced is 100% attributable to Ray because those guys were all actually 1-stars. See where the flaws are in this argument?

And it's funny that you don't blame Martin for the SC players transferring, yet Ray gets all the blame for not keeping everyone that was here when Stans was. Again, I'm just using the same analysis you guys use when throwing Ray under the bus.

Martin inherited talent according to the star rating system, more than Ray did. He just ran them off and couldn't coach them up. So what's the next argument?

Their stats and record which got Horn fired says they were terrible. Even looking at the stats those kids had out of high school tells you all you need to know. Averaging 16 ppg in high school doesn't impress me. They had one good player of those you mentioned Bruce Ellington. The others you mentioned were just plain crappy.

Ware, Sword, and Thomas combined for more ppg then all those guys you mentioned did.

Martin inherited less talent then Ray. That is all there is to that. You can argue differently if you want but you won't change my mind at all.
03-26-2014, 04:25 PM
C222

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully01

Nice yeah and the two 4 stars that transferred out averaged a nice 4 ppg. And those two four stars you would think would have landed somewhere great right? Nope, Jacksonville and Fordham. Give it up. USC had equal to worse talent then we did when Martin took over but the reason Martin gets more of a pass from me is because he has been a head coach before rebuilt and been successful.

Everything is an unknown with Ray. Shit, we don't know if this is the norm for him or what he will do. We do know he needs to recruit a lot better then he has. If he doesn't, point is moot. I do know USC is in a better situation then we have two years later.

Martin didn't have to rebuild at Kansas St. He was handed a team with Michael Beasley and Bill Walker.
03-26-2014, 04:25 PM
MarketingBully01

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Shirley you dont think those guys could compare to Shaun Smith, Wendell Lewis, and company????? Stands had wall to wall talent for Ray to move forward with

Yes, and guess what Coach all those guys transferred out sans 2 and ended up at power house basketball programs Jacksonville and Fordham.
03-26-2014, 04:25 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Hypnodawg

I'm still at a complete loss as to why we gave an unproven assistant coach $1M. There are literally 100s of coaches with Brick Ray's qualifications and none of them are making anywhere near what he is making.

Not in the SEC there arent. We had to pay him $1MM because this is the SEC- he's already the lowest paid coach in the conference at 1MM. We cant go lower than that
03-26-2014, 04:30 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully01

Their stats and record which got Horn fired says they were terrible. Even looking at the stats those kids had out of high school tells you all you need to know. Averaging 16 ppg in high school doesn't impress me. They had one good player of those you mentioned Bruce Ellington. The others you mentioned were just plain crappy.

Ware, Sword, and Thomas combined for more ppg then all those guys you mentioned did.

Martin inherited less talent then Ray. That is all there is to that. You can argue differently if you want but you won't change my mind at all.

Well, based on the star system- that's just not true. With Ray having to "weed out" all the drugheads and clean things up- SC was in better shape than us when both men were hired. And Ray has performed slightly better to this point

We'll see how the next 2 years go with a full squad
03-26-2014, 04:30 PM
MarketingBully01

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Originally Posted by C222

Martin didn't have to rebuild at Kansas St. He was handed a team with Michael Beasley and Bill Walker.

Of which he recruited and got to come there. Huggy Bear was only there one season. That program was practically Martin's.
03-26-2014, 04:31 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully01

Their stats and record which got Horn fired says they were terrible. Even looking at the stats those kids had out of high school tells you all you need to know. Averaging 16 ppg in high school doesn't impress me. They had one good player of those you mentioned Bruce Ellington. The others you mentioned were just plain crappy.

Ware, Sword, and Thomas combined for more ppg then all those guys you mentioned did.

Martin inherited less talent then Ray. That is all there is to that. You can argue differently if you want but you won't change my mind at all.

So what were the PPG numbers for Thomas, Sword, and Ware in HS? If we're going to constantly change the parameters of the argument, you're going to have to help me keep up.

Or you could just say, 'Based completely on my opinion with nothing concrete to back me up, Ray had more talent between Sword, Thomas, and Ware than Martin did on his entire roster'; if you said that, we could just agree to disagree and move on.
03-26-2014, 04:31 PM
Dawg61

Not sure why we're arguing Martin vs Ray unless this is the "who sucks the most bracket #1 seed vs #16 seed".
03-26-2014, 04:31 PM
MarketingBully01

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Well, based on the star system- that's just not true. With Ray having to "weed out" all the drugheads and clean things up- SC was in better shape than us when both men were hired. And Ray has performed slightly better to this point

We'll see how the next 2 years go with a full squad

Because next to last and last are improvements over finishing higher. Yeah, whatever.
03-26-2014, 04:32 PM
sandwolf

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Originally Posted by TrueMaroon

I can assure you I know the difference between revenue and expense. The extra revenue from the additional seats will not exceed the bond payments by $10,000,000.

The bond payments are an expense and in no way factor into a discussion about the revenue generated by the additional seats. What you are saying is that the additional seats will not generate a profit of $10,000,000.
03-26-2014, 04:32 PM
engie

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Originally Posted by TrueMaroon

2012 was the year the Seals made a ONE TIME gift of 12.5 million. They're not giving that every year. You can't forecast that into our budget. 69 million less the 12.5 million one time gift puts us at 56.5 million for the year.

The Seals didn't make that payment as a LUMP SUM. It's spread out over a couple of years.

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Your 2013 link doesn't work by the way, but I'm sure it would have it somewhere in the mid 50's as well.

And like every other assumption you've made in this thread -- it's been proven ridiculous. Follow the link -- it doesn't let me hyperlink to the actual page. Let me get that for you...
http://my.jetscreenshot.com/12222/m_...-ngb8-34kb.jpg

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I can assure you I know the difference between revenue and expense. The extra revenue from the additional seats will not exceed the bond payments by $10,000,000.

Obviously not -- seeing how badly you whiffed on what I actually said the first time.

And I didn't say that we would see a net $10million in PROFITS from the stadium either, did I? I said we would be a $100mil athletics department 2 years from now -- if not next year -- and I'm sticking to it. It's EASY to see how I arrived at the numbers -- if you allow yourselves to leave behind poor ole MSU thinking for 15 seconds.

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