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I guess I'm in the dark. What is the story on Ray? Enlighten us as to what you know. Is he too dark for you too? Plenty of people have made that obvious but don't have to balls to say that is really why they hate the man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman14
Yet again, I look at a basketball thread and wonder what some of you find so repulsive about the "I'm going to wait and see, and not make definitive statements to avoid the potential of looking like a complete idiot in a few years" mentality.
Because they all love Stans and had their feelings hurt when he got fired. It wouldn't have mattered who we hired. The same group of people would be doing whatever they could to hurt our current coach just so they could say "I told you we shouldn't have fired Stans."Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
This is utter bullshit. The reason Stansbury had to go because we went from a very desirable position as far as talent, with a less than desirable position as far as character. The talent jumped ship and the character situation imploded. All you're doing is making the argument that we waited a year too late to ask Stansbury to leave, which is easy to say in hindsight but a lot harder when you're dealing with a solid coach that has dedicated over a decade to the program.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman14
**??? Or did you seriously just imply that the reason people are unhappy with the coach whose team finished last in a shitty SEC is because he's black? I don't think any coach was likely to turn the dumpster fire around in two seasons, but way to make the people calling for Ray's head look reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by notsofarawaydawg
Everyone is entitled to his opinion, but you should realize that yours is one that neither our athletic department nor anyone assessing the situation with a shred of honesty or rationality shares.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman14
Got to love geniuses that can assess a kid's entire future as a JR in high school that they don't even see once during his senior year -- when he doubles his numbers at one of the best feeder schools in the country as a SR completely outside their "watchful eyes". "Close on grades"? He's still got a crapload of highschool courses -- and almost assuredly had a FULL YEAR PLUS when "your guy" gave you this tremendous information. He obviously doesn't have an ax to grind**. You've already made this silly argument once and set yourself up with a 4 year window to be made into a total fool -- after I pointed out the folly the first time. At this point, it's just hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcdawg
Good thing you "know Gregg Marshall" though -- and he told you that Black's offers weren't legit**
Careful -- they will try to convince you that they wouldn't be taking their current positions if we had hired a "proven" head coach --- although I can show many instances where many of the same people took the same position throughout our baseball coaching change.Quote:
Originally Posted by C222
Come on engie, Ohmar Carter just made up those offers!!!**** Isn't it funny that all the Ray haters/Stans supporters are the only ones saying the offers aren't legit and that all of Ray's recruits are "SWAC" players??Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Too bad we didn't hire Kenny Payne. He is probably dominating with that Nike contract and all that talent at whatever school hired him.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
It's absolutely hilarious. Well, by hilarious, I really mean sad and pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by C222
The spin cycle on the "Ray can't recruit" faction is probably about to become totally hilarious in the next 12 months.
If we do happen to get Malik, no one will give Ray credit. Coastdoglover is already making sure of that when put this out there:Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
"Rick Ray has allowed Richard Williams into his fold because he is in over his head. That is why he has tried to get Richard involved with a group to secure Malik"
couldn't help myself. you are a racist. plain and simple. only a racist would make such a remark.Quote:
Originally Posted by notsofarawaydawg
the problem with Ray is that he might be the worst basketball coach ever in the SEC. he produced a team that at one point was touted as the worst team in SEC history. then, in his second season, he got worse and his players regressed.
what in the world are you talking about? the athletic department, Sricklin to be more precise, caused this dumpster fire and is now having to eat it. of course they support the head coach they foolishly hired.Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
honesty? let's talk about honesty. we presently are on probably one of the worst two-year runs in SEC history. there is no hope on the horizon. some pipe dream about Malik Newman. well I'm all for adding the best player in the nation, and Stands would have inked Newman no doubt, but excuse me if I hesitate to credit Ray with signing a player he doesn't even have a verbal from. Ray's recruiting track record stands on its own merit. it has been below what is expected at MSU.
Not that we needed any more reason to believe that you are a total idiot that is talking out of your ass about things you don't have a frigging clue about... but you still delivered. Thanks for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman14
no. it's the opposite. the folks supporting this present dumpster fire are only doing so because they were in favor of canning Stands and now they don't want to admit they are wrong. it's a fact that we have had two straight horrid seasons after having 12 of 14 seasons in which we won 17 or more games. It's a fact that we formerly won in excess of 20 games the vast majority of the time prior to Ray's tenure. now we win 13 and finish last in the SEC. it is what it is. this is not year 1. this is college basketball we are talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by C222
WHUP! didn't take long for engie to start calling people disparaging names this morning! try using some logic to debate, engie. Stands signed Bender didn't he? He signed Monta didn't he? he signed outlaw didn't he? he signed Hood didn't he? who exactly has Ray signed?Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Can't speak for everyone else but you are 100% wrong about me. I am supporting Ray because he deserves a chance to turn this thing around. I want Ray to succeed because he is working his ass off trying to get our program back to winning. He was dealt a shitty hand. Trust me when I tell you that the majority of the names that came out during the search wanted nothing to do with our program. If Ray doesn't get it done, someone else will. But I will support whoever it is. I won't try to sabotage the job he is doing and I sure as shit won't come on message boards and make fun of high school kids that he's trying to get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman14
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by C222
Ok, I get it, we should not speak truth on the message boards for fear of hurting recruiting.
I imagine that not a single person who frequents this board actually roots for Ray to fail. Everyone enjoys watching the NCAA tournament when the dogs are in it. That is why many feel so aggrieved. We don't have that anymore. Linardi doesn't have us in his "first four in" or "first four out." we are last in the SEC for two years. And the SEC stinks, so we are actually very low among all BCS schools in the sport of basketball. Stands did not do that.
People clamor when you finish last every year and fail to bring in top 25 recruiting classes. It's just the way it is. I'm sorry if it's my fault Ray can't recruit because I am upset that we finish last every year now and am voicing my frustration.