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Man you just reminded me of the time when I bitched about Deville and our lack of a backup PG behind Dee Bost and everyone told me to chill that we'd be just fine. Then our basketball program died. Do you guys remember that? I do. Go pull up the SPS chats. Would be interesting to see now. Make sure you look at the ones of me warning everyone not to rush the basketball hire too.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
yeah well I can agree that you alone did not get Stands fired. but you certainly influenced many MSU fans against him. and at the end of the day, what happened was that we fired a winner who was one of if not the biggest winner in MSU basketball history and who was consistently putting teams on the floor that were at minimum bubble teams for the NCAAs. we won't see that again for many years, just as I predicted. we are the worst team in the SEC now, and this is the end of year 2. no such thing as 5 year plans in football, let alone basketball where you can turn a program around overnight with one great recruiting class. we went from being ranked 15th at one point the season Stands was fired and being a huge bubble team to now being the worst team in the SEC two years running with not one shred of positiveness going on in the basketball program.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
just own it. no need to get defensive. no one would have argued with you that we should have fired Stands if we could have hired Tom Izzo. The point is that we were incapable of hiring a true winner to replace him. he was an absolute blessing to MSU. we stayed around the top of the west, always, with Stands. Now we permanently reside at the bottom. but hey, those sorry basketball players sure are disciplined and playing hard, unlike Stands's bubble teams that won basketball games.
"It's just not Mississippi State baseball any more. This team will nevAr get back to where it was in the glory days! We're the worst program in the west -- and will be permanently near the bottom!!1!1"
It's funny that your crystal ball told you that Rick Stansbury is the only person that can win at MSU...
get it straight. I was in 110% with Cohen from day 1. It was an obvious hire, and he was always an obvious top coach. His record was pristine. He took UK to the SEC title and received numerous national accolades. He's a head coach winner wherever he goes.
crystal ball nothing. it's ignorance and immaturity when folks come on here and chastise the realists who are also optimists. Just because some people yearn to see MSU win doesn't mean they have to buy into some fantasy where MSU is going to ascend up the college basketball ranks to a top 10 program year in and year out. You don't fire a winner because he isn't winning enough. You wait until he stops winning, unless you are Duke basketball or Bammer football. It was easy to predict. You fire a winner, and odds are you aren't going to hire someone better. Drastic odds. Bammer, LSU, Auburn...all these teams have been trying to hire someone who could consistently win in a watered down league. It hasn't happened. It was a 10% shot in the dark. We would be trying to play our way into the tournament today (or perhaps better) if Stands was the coach, if for no other reason than Hood would be here and other damn good players. No thats not certainty; it's just realistic perspective judging from the past and from what Hood said at the time..and other recruits we had on board. Dammit it's so frustrating.
Stans did stop winning.
And no, we wouldn't have Hood.
Stands program started embarrassing the University. And to top it off, he let it slide so bad nobody wanted the job. That should tell you all you need to know. Coaches looked at our program that paid 1.5 million per season- and Stands got 14 years and never even made a Sweet 16- and they still didnt want it.
He turned it into a shit sandwich that everybody saw was going to have to be cleaned up. Thanks Stands
That shit sandwich still won 20 plus games his last year. I think that there is probably more embarrassment going around now about our program, than there ever was with Stansbury.
I wouldn't dare bring up our program now without making a joke about it.
Oh, forgot to add: If I hear "fight in the stands" one more time , I think I will puke...
What's so great about winning 20+ games when you lose 5 out of the last 7 to miss the NCAA tournament with three potential NBA players? That's embarrassing. It's your choice whether you want to be embarrassed about our current situation, or about the events that led to it (hint: those started long before Ray was hired).Quote:
Originally Posted by shannondawg
See that's the problem.. If everyone enjoyed winning 19-20 games, underachieving, basically never getting to the Big Dance and when we do not making past round 2, and having issues every year with players then yes Stans is your guy...Quote:
Originally Posted by shannondawg
Im not Saying RR is the answer, (like I said blame SS for the hire not RR) you cant tell me he isn't coaching his ass off .. Im sure he knows his time is running out and if he doesn't get it done next year or year 4 he is gone and he wont get another head gig for a long long time..
That's why next year is huge not only for our program to turn things around but for RR too. If we put up more W's next year make a push for the NIT and then year 4 the same , even if we decide to cut ties with RR it will be much easier for him to get a gig and for us to bring in a bigger name coach..
Both Resumes would look much better..
A) Stands wouldn't have won 20 with what he would have had last year. Last time he lost all 5 starters- he went 15-15. Gray, Sword, Smith, Zedakis, and Lewis as his starting 5 wasn't going to go very far.Quote:
Originally Posted by shannondawg
B) I'll never be more embarrassed by our program than when Sidney walked up an down the court on national TV. Never. You can't respect anything about that. At the very least- our players play hard now. People can respect that at least
I'm so damn tired of hearing this lame-assed "embarrassing the university" and "dumpster fire" bullshit. We embarrassed ourselves by deciding that we don't believe in winning. We're totally embarrassed at this point. I've got an idea: let's take down all the banners Stans's teams earned and throw them on the dumpster fire. Get a clean start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Anybody around here that would enjoy winning 20? LOL!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
You guys are missing the point. Of course if the choice is winning 20 or winning 10-13, you'll take winning 20. But we made the move to ultimately move past the point of just winning 20 and missing the NCAA Tournament. By the time Stans left, we were where Ole Miss is now...a program that was competitive every year but no longer made the NCAA Tournament. If we weren't going to the NCAA Tournament with the talent Stans had his last year, then that was our new ceiling. That ceiling isn't good enough.
Obviously no one is 'happy' with the current number of wins we have. But we made the move to have a chance to eventually move past where we were because with Stans, we knew what we were getting - a decent team who probably would be incredibly frustrating to watch that would fall short by the end.
Of course it's a risk when you make that move. But it was still the right move, and we still don't know how it will play out. But I'll take a serious nosedive initially for the chance to ultimately be better over not making the Tournament and only being pretty good while being embarrassing to watch every single year.
Amazing that you say it was "the right move". That is incredibly speculative. Reminds me of flapper-era investing. How'd that work out?Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Did you just ignore what the rest of the country was saying about us between 2010 and 2012? The "bullshit" you speak of wasn't just coming from our more critical fans, it was coming from national news. ESPN referred to us as specifically a "dumpster fire" and Sporting News called us "the NCAA’s most dysfunctional program." I don't care how many games we were winning at the time. That kind of outside perception was unacceptable and a true embarrassment, and had it been allowed to continue it would have led us to exactly where we are now. The only difference would have been that we'd still have that perception, where as now we're clean from the outside view and have a chance to really improve next year now that the ship has had time to right.Quote:
Originally Posted by drunkernhelldawg
No, what I'm saying is that even if Ray falls on his face, making a change at HC was still the right move. With Stans, we know what the ceiling was - being pretty good and missing the NCAA Tournament or perhaps barely sneaking in. If that is good enough for you as the ceiling of the program, then fine. That's not good enough for the large majority of the fanbase.Quote:
Originally Posted by drunkernhelldawg
Whether Ray was the right hire is a completely different discussion. But again, even if Ray falls on his face, the decision to remove Stans was the right one because it gave us a chance to improve our ceiling. Even if it doesn't work out in the immediate future, we will still have that chance. As long as Stans stayed, that ceiling wasn't going to budge.
The media slaughtering us is better than being forgotten -- as we currently are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Once again, we didn't make the move so we could not win games but at least be respected; we made the move so we could clean the program up SO THAT WE COULD TAKE THE NEXT STEP.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadDawg
It was never going to happen in 2 years, but that's the reason the change was made. We didn't make a decision between 20 embarrassing wins or 13 respected ones; we felt like the only way to ultimately get better was to make a move and have to fall down first. We still don't know if that will work out in the end.
amazing to me how people dont understand thisQuote:
Originally Posted by smootness