I've come to the conclusion

I'm not reading all this crap. He is gone. He was a great man to the University but lacked discipline with his teams. He loves Mississippi State and I hope in time we can honor him. As someone who was close to the team when I was in school I loved Rick as a person but had big issues with him as a coach. But I supported him and made a lot of fun road trips to see some great games.

Now ray is turning things around and these players are fighting there assess off but the talent isn't there and I have no faith it will be with Ray. Great floor general but won't/can't play the game every other coach in the sec is playing

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Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg

I'm not reading all this crap. He is gone. He was a great man to the University but lacked discipline with his teams. He loves Mississippi State and I hope in time we can honor him. As someone who was close to the team when I was in school I loved Rick as a person but had big issues with him as a coach. But I supported him and made a lot of fun road trips to see some great games.

Now ray is turning things around and these players are fighting there assess off but the talent isn't there and I have no faith it will be with Ray. Great floor general but won't/can't play the game every other coach in the sec is playing

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Your last sentence is premature in that Ray may recruit differently than others, but he has to believe that whatever he is doing has a chance to work. I'd rather give him the leeway to let his style develop. Not a fan of the open either, but the rest of the post is exactly what I think. Said it well.

some of you are missing the point. this is not an argument about Stans. It's an argument about arguing over Stans.

Should we argue about arguing over the Stans argument?

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Originally Posted by engie

You sure do invest a lot of energy into taking up for the man...


Ah -- the "holier than thou" approach after throwing gasoline on the fire in a shit storm over nothing. You don't want to go down that road with me.

The "intelligent" approach is to drop the bullshit and support the team. You are fighting a losing battle in that Coach ultimately ended up being right about Stans in the end -- and a whole bunch of you are having a ridiculously hard time accepting it.

Meanwhile, "your faction" gets in as many pot shots at our current coach as you possibly can -- thus sabotaging his success either intentionally or unintentionally -- while putting a former coach ahead of what is best for MSU as a whole. It's the exact baseball scenario playing itself out all over again.

I'm supporting the current team and current program -- and if I have to throw the former coach under the bus to help provide insight and optimism for the future, I'm MORE THAN HAPPY to do that. The fact that you aren't says alot more about you than it does about me.

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First, who in the hell are you, anyway? Don't want to go down that road? Is that a threat of some sort, or a sorry ass attempt to show message board prowess? Not sure you realize it, but hiding behind a username on a message board doesn't bring you any more credibility that a gnat on Rick Stansbury's ass. So you can save the bravado for somebody that gives a shit.

Unfortunately, for you, your obsession with being the "expert" is that you have let your emotions cloud any small amount of judgement you may have begun with. Supporting the team is exactly what this thread is about. So take your this bullshit, and enter into a conversation with someone else that gets a tickle out of your misguided criticisms. There you can spend your time coming up with more names for Stansbury.

Not once in this thread have I levied a criticism at Rick Ray. If you are referring to the remark about trophies, it was an insult thrown back at TopDog58 as a result of his childish remarks. So either you went off half cocked without informing yourself of the facts, or you are the "shit stirrer" in all of this.

Well...this thread turned into a pissing match. Actually, here's a better representation of this thread.
http://firehousezen.com/files/2012/08/Dumpster-Fire.jpg