Josh Robinson's tweet

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Originally Posted by TheDogFather

But you will never be able to analyze all of the data because you don't have access to it. You can keep trying though.

You are definitely in the crowd with the blatant mistrust of our coaching staff. And there's nothing wrong with that.

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And neither will you. But at least I've brought something tangible to the table to back up my views as opposed to blindly trusting the coaches because they are the coaches and accusing people of "bashing" players.

Heaven forbid that we should want our players to be in the best position possible to produce- which is somehow miscontrued as bashing our players in your head.

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Originally Posted by TheDogFather

Stats don't show the whole picture. As I've said in this thread a dozen times. Anyone with any coaching experience knows this.

This thread is like dealing with the parents of high school athletes. The more they talk the dumber they prove themselves to be.

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Congratulations on typing perhaps the most ironic thing I've ever seen on a message board in 10 years.

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

yes, maybe we will judge players' performance based on something crazy like their actual performance.

Again, it doesn't mean Mullen didn't have a good reason for limiting Robinson's touches, but it wasn't based on game performance.

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Dude, do you even read the threads before responding?

The point is not how to judge the player, but the amount of data you (meaning YOU) have to make up the actual performance as you so eloquently bolded and underlined. Actual performance is not made up of only what you see on TV. Which is all your monday morning quarterback ass has to use.

There are a lot of stupid athletic directors that have passed you up as a coaching candidate. You should send your resume out more often.

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Originally Posted by TheDogFather

Dude, do you even read the threads before responding?

The point is not how to judge the player, but the amount of data you (meaning YOU) have to make up the actual performance as you so eloquently bolded and underlined. Actual performance is not made up of only what you see on TV. Which is all your monday morning quarterback ass has to use.

There are a lot of stupid athletic directors that have passed you up as a coaching candidate. You should send your resume out more often.

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Do you read the posts? Game performance (and "game" was actually underlined in the post), does consist of what happens on the field. On the field, Robinson performed better than Perkins. That doesn't necessarily mean that Mullen was wrong to play Perkins ahead of him, but don't be an idiot and suggest that semi-serious fans were somehow missing all the mistakes he was making that actually resulted in him not performing as well as Perkins. If he was constantly missing blocks or screwing up by running the wrong play, you'd see it in the overall result, even if you didn't spend sundays breaking down film.

And I'll throw this out there- IF a player is performing better in practice over a player that is more productive on game day- I'm totally OK starting the player that is practicing better. They get the reward of being a starter and getting introduced on the video board. BUT- it makes zero sense to play a player that is not performing as well on game day over a better option for the majority of the game.

It gets to a point where there is a gray area where you begin to hurt the team because a coach feels like a player is subjectively performing better in practice.

We saw the exact same thing last year with Cherrington over PJ Jones.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

People love arguing sports and will use stats alot to back their positions.
Upon seeing said stats, some people realize players/teams may not have been as good as they believed them to be or remembered.
Posting stats is not bashing players/coaches- but showing what took place. Stats also dont tell the whole story and may be skewed at times.

I think everybody here appreciates the effort Perk gave us and wishes him well. But its also pretty obvious JRob deserved more carries in 2013. Less carries in 2013 for Perkins would not have slighted him, but would have been a credit to JRob and what he brought to the table.

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Quite a contradiction. You state that people use stats erroneously. Yet then you state it is obvious the coaches screwed up based upon the only data available - stats.

I return to my point that the underlying issue here - which nobody admits - is that there is a blatant mistrust of the coaching staff. And people will use what is available to prove it regardless of the absence of enough knowledge to even make a valid argument.

I challenge you to find any coach worth his mettle who decides who plays based on game stats alone. And to say anything is "pretty obvious" when being only an outsider is again, irresponsible.

So for anyone to stomp their feet like an adolescent because they think they can prove their point with a small percentage of the data is sadly mistaken.

An excellent point is the droves of misled posters who spent most of the season criticizing Nickoe Whitley based on "actual performance" or "game stats". In the end NW did not "suck" as I read multiple times and was being praised for his toughness and persistence in playing through injury.

It's not blatant mistrust, you are overstating it. All coaches are fallible as are all people. People also have opinions and sometimes those opinions are strongly held.

Many feel Robinson was a better runner and still appreciated Perkins who is also good. I feel Mullen is bit too loyal to upperclassmen sometimes. That is not blatant mistrust.

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Originally Posted by TheDogFather

Quite a contradiction. You state that people use stats erroneously. Yet then you state it is obvious the coaches screwed up based upon the only data available - stats.

I return to my point that the underlying issue here - which nobody admits - is that there is a blatant mistrust of the coaching staff. And people will use what is available to prove it regardless of the absence of enough knowledge to even make a valid argument.

I challenge you to find any coach worth his mettle who decides who plays based on game stats alone. And to say anything is "pretty obvious" when being only an outsider is again, irresponsible.

So for anyone to stomp their feet like an adolescent because they think they can prove their point with a small percentage of the data is sadly mistaken.

An excellent point is the droves of misled posters who spent most of the season criticizing Nickoe Whitley based on "actual performance" or "game stats". In the end NW did not "suck" as I read multiple times and was being praised for his toughness and persistence in playing through injury.

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Amen. Excellent post.

What we have is a bunch of self-important people who want others to think they know more than they actually do. It's good to know everyone doesn't fall for their bull.

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Originally Posted by MSUDawg4Life

Amen. Excellent post.

What we have is a bunch of self-important people who want others to think they know more than they actually do. It's good to know everyone doesn't fall for their bull.

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I second the amen. Our fans have a compulsive need to bitch.

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Originally Posted by OldFatDog

I second the amen. Our fans have a compulsive need to bitch.

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I third the Amen.....bravo!!!

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Originally Posted by TheDogFather

Quite a contradiction. You state that people use stats erroneously. Yet then you state it is obvious the coaches screwed up based upon the only data available - stats.

I return to my point that the underlying issue here - which nobody admits - is that there is a blatant mistrust of the coaching staff. And people will use what is available to prove it regardless of the absence of enough knowledge to even make a valid argument.

I challenge you to find any coach worth his mettle who decides who plays based on game stats alone. And to say anything is "pretty obvious" when being only an outsider is again, irresponsible.

So for anyone to stomp their feet like an adolescent because they think they can prove their point with a small percentage of the data is sadly mistaken.

An excellent point is the droves of misled posters who spent most of the season criticizing Nickoe Whitley based on "actual performance" or "game stats". In the end NW did not "suck" as I read multiple times and was being praised for his toughness and persistence in playing through injury.

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So, who's more "self-important" here? The ones having a sports discussion or the guy trying to tell everyone that they don't know what they are talking about because they aren't at every practice and don't have every practice stat?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

So, who's more "self-important" here? The ones having a sports discussion or the guy trying to tell everyone that they don't know what they are talking about because they aren't at every practice and don't have every practice stat?

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Uh, the ones who developed their vast store of football knowledge while playing in the high school band?

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Originally Posted by K9 Avenger

Uh, the ones who developed their vast store of football knowledge while playing in the high school band?

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It's a shame I still have more football knowledge than you.

I guess that proves you learn more about football in the bandstand than you do as a male cheerleader.

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Originally Posted by K9 Avenger

Uh, the ones who developed their vast store of football knowledge while playing in the high school band?

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As opposed to obtaining blind loyalty based on NOTHING at all?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

It's a shame I still have more football knowledge than you.

I guess that proves you learn more about football in the bandstand than you do as a male cheerleader.

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Nanny nanny boo boo LOL....how old are you?

Never once stated anyone was bashing players. I did, though, point out that posters were judging player performance with ignorance of the facts.

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Originally Posted by engie

As opposed to obtaining blind loyalty based on NOTHING at all?

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You've never, ever, never been wrong in your entire life have you? I can just tell....

I don't know who is more "self-important" (whatever in the hell that means). But I do know who is right.

Blind loyalty? No. Understanding that a TV jockey has less knowledge of player performance that a group of men who invest 60 hours a week evaluating, developing, and analyzing their players? You tell me.

I maintain that no one was getting bashed here. We are just J-Rob fans and think he deserved more carries based on how well he ran the ball this season.