Arnett back in at DC.

Good solid hire. We have some people who are mad but they are not mad about the level of product he is going to put out on defense, which is all I care about. He?s going to field a product that produces and that is what we need. When we field a top 50 defense next year paired with Lebby?s offense with KT, no one will be complaining. And if they are they will be proving they care more about a ghost than the program.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

Our fans have champagne taste on natty light budgets. Always have been and always will. Would rather win ?doing it right? than doing what every one else would. But hey, we have a baseball program with one national championship and a $60MM stadium that loses $4MM every year. Meanwhile our football program, in a bad year, still makes money and we don?t have nearly as many as off field analysts as f?in Vanderbilt.

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Yup, no clue what we really are.

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Originally Posted by mo7888

Eh... I don't love it, but i don't hate it either... he was a horrible HC, but a fairly good DC. The talent he had to work with wasn't optimal, but ML controlled the TOP pretty well. As with most things, if we ball out in the portal he'll look great and if we don't they'll be gone this time next year...

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Yep. We don't have to love it, but it's far better than Hutzler...and considering Lebby's future isn't on solid ground, we weren't in a position of strength on new DC's.

He was good enough for us to hire him as DC, succeed, hire him again as HC, fail...then still he hired by Ole Miss, succeed, and be hired by Mullen, failed off the field...and now rehired by us as DC. The guy has succeeded more than he's failed as a DC by a long shot. This may not be as big of a win as some wanted (since delusional state fans thought we could get Durkin), but it's a win and an upgrade over the prior year. We took a step forward today firing Hutzler, and two steps forward hiring Arnett. Love it or hate it, it's true.

Now if it doesn't work, it doesn't matter bc we'll be getting a new HC anyway and Arnett will be gone too

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Good solid hire. We have some people who are mad but they are not mad about the level of product he is going to put out on defense, which is all I care about. He?s going to field a product that produces and that is what we need. When we field a top 50 defense next year paired with Lebby?s offense with KT, no one will be complaining. And if they are they will be proving they care more about a ghost than the program.

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Amen

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Our fans have champagne taste on natty light budgets. Always have been and always will. Would rather win ?doing it right? than doing what every one else would. But hey, we have a baseball program with one national championship and a $60MM stadium that loses $4MM every year. Meanwhile our football program, in a bad year, still makes money and we don?t have nearly as many as off field analysts as f?in Vanderbilt.

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That sht pisses me off so much. MS baseball is great and all, but football is the prized commodity. Its insane to me we starve it. It?s like mining past gold to get copper.

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Yep. We don't have to love it, but it's far better than Hutzler...and considering Lebby's future isn't on solid ground, we weren't in a position of strength on new DC's.

He was good enough for us to hire him as DC, succeed, hire him again as HC, fail...then still he hired by Ole Miss, succeed, and be hired by Mullen, failed off the field...and now rehired by us as DC. The guy has succeeded more than he's failed as a DC by a long shot. This may not be as big of a win as some wanted (since delusional state fans thought we could get Durkin), but it's a win and an upgrade over the prior year. We took a step forward today firing Hutzler, and two steps forward hiring Arnett. Love it or hate it, it's true.

Now if it doesn't work, it doesn't matter bc we'll be getting a new HC anyway and Arnett will be gone too

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What was the off the field failure with Mullen about?

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So is Golding the one that's to blame if Ole Miss goes south? I mean, Todd, you're in your feels...but the death of Leach got us in this. Arnett contributed but he was not HC material...our folks are to blame for hiring him, you can't blame Arnett for taking a HC job and millions. Should he have said "nah, I'm good"? Come on man. You're taking a personal thing and trying to smear someone over it. You have a personal thing, fine...but the other stuff is not on him.
That's like if someone asks me to be POTUS, I'm taking it....may not be in good shape after 4 years, but I'm taking it. Don't blame me if the country makes that dumb decision though.

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Ole Miss's situation is separate from ours. I don't know how that is going to play out yet. If it doesn't work it's on their AD. We'll see if Golding lies to their players and can't recruit.

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That sht pisses me off so much. MS baseball is great and all, but football is the prized commodity. Its insane to me we starve it. It?s like mining past gold to get copper.

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What was the off the field failure with Mullen about?

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There hasn't been much "official" about it, but tons of people that claim they know and lots of rumors. But he got picked up by Florida State immediately so it must not have had Career suicide status.

I'm starting to think he literally robbed Todd4State's house and urinated in his morning Cheerios before vacating the premises. *

Oh! We're so poor and so bad we could only hire Arnett. Just save that bullshit.

This is another example of MSU making a divisive hire that splits the fan base and they're going to look around and wonder why no one supports the program and be completely shocked when Arnett can't recruit and loses games because he zero blitzes at the wrong time.

But now they can't blame it on Leach's offense or his shitty recruiting on Emerick and Dudek.

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Oh! We're so poor and so bad we could only hire Arnett. Just save that bullshit.

This is another example of MSU making a divisive hire that splits the fan base and they're going to look around and wonder why no one supports the program and be completely shocked when Arnett can't recruit and loses games because he zero blitzes at the wrong time.

But now they can't blame it on Leach's offense or his shitty recruiting on Emerick and Dudek.

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So far the split seems to be between the fan base and you. Everyone's not freaking out...you are

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Yep. We don't have to love it, but it's far better than Hutzler...and considering Lebby's future isn't on solid ground, we weren't in a position of strength on new DC's.

He was good enough for us to hire him as DC, succeed, hire him again as HC, fail...then still he hired by Ole Miss, succeed, and be hired by Mullen, failed off the field...and now rehired by us as DC. The guy has succeeded more than he's failed as a DC by a long shot. This may not be as big of a win as some wanted (since delusional state fans thought we could get Durkin), but it's a win and an upgrade over the prior year. We took a step forward today firing Hutzler, and two steps forward hiring Arnett. Love it or hate it, it's true.

Now if it doesn't work, it doesn't matter bc we'll be getting a new HC anyway and Arnett will be gone too

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And ultimately succeeding is the only thing we should be aiming for. I'm all for Arnett. I think he is a solid DC and solid hire. I'm to that point where I don't care who it is and what they have done as long as they produce a solid product on the field and we win. Arnett has proven he is a good DC. I hate the whole HC debacle and all that shit, but it's not gonna blur my vision into thinking he isn't a good hire. I'm not "in the know" when it comes to insider information but I never figured the big names DC would come unless we dropped big, big money for them. An upgrade is an upgrade and we got a big one.

Him paired with Lebby could be legit. Go spend some money on some dudes with speed at the linebacker and D line position and let Arnett blitz the hell out of teams. Gotta have some stud CB for sure tho.

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Oh! We're so poor and so bad we could only hire Arnett. Just save that bullshit.

This is another example of MSU making a divisive hire that splits the fan base and they're going to look around and wonder why no one supports the program and be completely shocked when Arnett can't recruit and loses games because he zero blitzes at the wrong time.

But now they can't blame it on Leach's offense or his shitty recruiting on Emerick and Dudek.

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I understand all sides on this hire. But one thing we can all agree on is this is a Mississippi State hire if there ever was one.

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Spot on man. The vision is just cloudy right now because of how the situation ended, but he is a good DC. Would I have liked some of the other candidates that was thrown around? Absolutely. Who wouldn't? But I'm happy with Arnett. His defensive numbers speak for itself.

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Thanks for saying this. There's a part of me at the end of all this that is bigger than football. It is why I want Lebby to work out because he's passionate and seems like a legit good dude. Would love to see Arnett get things straightened back out for himself as well.

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So far the split seems to be between the fan base and you. Everyone's not freaking out...you are

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I really like Todd as a poster, but I'm afraid him and KB are about to absolutely melt. Like every thread again. Imagine when we give up a TD first game next season. Prepare yourself

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So is Golding the one that's to blame if Ole Miss goes south? I mean, Todd, you're in your feels...but the death of Leach got us in this. Arnett contributed but he was not HC material...our folks are to blame for hiring him, you can't blame Arnett for taking a HC job and millions. Should he have said "nah, I'm good"? Come on man. You're taking a personal thing and trying to smear someone over it. You have a personal thing, fine...but the other stuff is not on him.
That's like if someone asks me to be POTUS, I'm taking it....may not be in good shape after 4 years, but I'm taking it. Don't blame me if the country makes that dumb decision though.

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Regarding whether he should've taken our HC job or not, I'd add, what would've happened to him if he didn't?

Another HC may not have kept him as DC. Even if they had, their working relationship might've been bad. I know I have taken a work role that i really didn't want before simply because I was worried about who would take the role if I didn't.

All that to say, I have my doubts about the hire from a history standpoint. However, if all parties think this arrangement can work, I'm all for the likely improvement on the field.

This shouldn't split the fanbase. Everyone I talked to has had the following thought train:

- What the ****?
- Well... his defenses were pretty good for us...
- I guess the Wendeez thing isn't true... hopefully.
- If we fail this year then there's no reason to keep Lebby
- Get a DLine that can pressure well from the portal and we can be good.
- 30+ on offense and 25 or less on defense is a winning strategy...
- But seriously we all agree this is a swing for the fence play by Lebby
- Also this is kinda softening the blow when this fails and Dan comes back next year I guess

Dont want to see anyone complain anymore that we cant spin things as good as the confederates anymore. Putting record levels of window dressing today

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I really like Todd as a poster, but I'm afraid him and KB are about to absolutely melt. Like every thread again. Imagine when we give up a TD first game next season. Prepare yourself

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I went easy on people during the Arnett head coaching era.

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I understand all sides on this hire. But one thing we can all agree on is this is a Mississippi State hire if there ever was one.

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Feel free to fill me either here or via PM.