Just here to say that we have money issues.. not coaching

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

Those of you who think we are going to take money given specifically for baseball and give it to football need to do one of two things. 1) Find a new football program to cheer for. 2) see number 1!

Yall can stop with your crapping on baseball too while you are looking for another school football program. It ain?t gonna change. Get over it! Sell your homes and cars and boats and kids and give it to the football program if you want. Otherwise accept that as long as State is IN THE SEC State will be a 5-7 team at best and a 2-10 team at worst. Some of us just ain?t got the money to pour into a program that even our administration fails to take seriously and go hire a winning head coach and pay them $8 to $10 million, and spend all the money earmarked for facility improvements on buying football players.

How much did they pay for the LED lighting to have 1 night game this year? Asinine!!!

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Half of this board was bitching about how we didn?t have LED lights last year.

But yeah keep funding that baseball program and stadium. Gonna look real nice in the Sun Belt in a few years!

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Literally no one is saying anything resembling this. The Lebby Hive Mind has become completely out of touch with reality as far as what the arguments against him are. We all know that there is a talent gap that we may never be able to overcome. That's why it's so important to have a coach who can scrape out every win we have a chance at, because some games (such as A&M and Georgia this year) we'll be so outmatched and have almost no chance. No one is holding those 2 games against Lebby.

Despite being full of "talent" (or what was perceived to be talent in the offseason), 3-9 Florida was a winnable game, and our team, OL and DL included, played well enough to win, but Lebby's coaching let us down. Texas (overrated all year with an overhyped and overpaid QB) was also a game where they played well enough to win, but somehow Lebby neglected to run clock. Anyone who watched those games knows that they're all on Lebby and his coaching.

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Here we go. "Hive Mind!" "You are a CULTIST!!!!! OMG !!!!"


- No. We will not do anything about the talent gap because we demand everything else in attempts to fix it other than fixing the issue.

- no.. They didn't play well enough. They exceeded their abilities and you can only do that so much and for so long.

I said this in the OP and now will say it in a different way.

There is no super secret perfect coach. Not even SABAN was perfect in his coaching. If he was they would have never lost. There are no perfect players, not even 5 star guys. They just have a higher ceiling and capabilities that make them better. Lane Kiffin made the same coaching choices as Lebby. Other coaches have too. The issue happens when you don't have the talent to over come those choices. That doesn't mean it was a bad choice, it just means your 3 star f'd up at a higher rate than the 5 star across from him did.

And to push this conversation more so into reality, Arkansas will join the ranks of those teams spending 40 million or more. They already have the people backing them. Now you tell me. What roster is going to win out more often than not. A 40 million roster of a 15 million roster?

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Originally Posted by Dawgface

Well that doesn’t say much for our coaches to continue to allow the same crap to happen. A half way smart coach will override something that is not working.

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So what did you want to take place there?

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

Our fans don't really care for football. We have proved it over and over.

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Exactly. Our fan base would rather spend money on baseball. It is shortsighted but that is MSU in a nutshell. Shortsighted.

With that said I disagree 100% with the OP. We have a coaching issue. Run the ball. Kick the field goal. Go to a bowl game. That?s all he had to do to win over the fanbase this season but he stuck to ?his philosophy? because that the team identity or whatever. That?s fine. The team will enjoy their identity at home during bowl season, NIL funds will dry up, and Lebby will be looking for a job in December of 2026. You can?t stop stupid.

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

Exactly. Our fan base would rather spend money on baseball. It is shortsighted but that is MSU in a nutshell. Shortsighted.

With that said I disagree 100% with the OP. We have a coaching issue. Run the ball. Kick the field goal. Go to a bowl game. That?s all he had to do to win over the fanbase this season but he stuck to ?his philosophy? because that the team identity or whatever. That?s fine. The team will enjoy their identity at home during bowl season, NIL funds will dry up, and Lebby will be looking for a job in December of 2026. You can?t stop stupid.

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Yeah but that's all speculation on your part. You don't know if the run would have resulted in a TFL, Gain, Fumble. We don't even know if he makes the FG, he has missed this season. Heck, we don't even know if the long snapper gets it to the holder. But the call Lebby made, the odds are majorly in favor of the pass being incomplete or completed vs an INT.

Nothing wrong with the call, the execution was not good.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Yeah but that's all speculation on your part. You don't know if the run would have resulted in a TFL, Gain, Fumble. We don't even know if he makes the FG, he has missed this season. Heck, we don't even know if the long snapper gets it to the holder. But the call Lebby made, the odds are majorly in favor of the pass being incomplete or completed vs an INT.

Nothing wrong with the call, the execution was not good.

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It is speculation. But what isn't speculation now is that he made the wrong decisions. Because of those decisions we are in the position we are now. You have said we dont have the talent to execute so why run the riskiest play of all of them? It's really no point in arguing because everyone is going to stick to what they believe. I believe from previous coaching decisions and results of those coaching decisions that he isn't the man for the job. We need players. We need money. For me personally.. I will no longer invest my hard earned money to a product that is obviously headed toward bankruptcy. That will be dumb on my part. The money that was raised has been invested and there is no arguing we are better than we was last year. But instead of being an 8 win team.. we are a 5 win team. In my eyes not because of talent but because of coaching. I will get criticized for this but that's completely okay

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Yeah but that's all speculation on your part. You don't know if the run would have resulted in a TFL, Gain, Fumble. We don't even know if he makes the FG, he has missed this season. Heck, we don't even know if the long snapper gets it to the holder. But the call Lebby made, the odds are majorly in favor of the pass being incomplete or completed vs an INT.

Nothing wrong with the call, the execution was not good.

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Booth was averaging 4.8 yards per carry and had been gashing them the entire last quarter. It was an incredibly dumb coaching decision. It was a dumb call in a season full of dumb calls. Just like the 7 straight QB sneaks in a row last night that that announcers were laughing about. You run the ball. You kick the field goal. If you miss the field goal at least you don’t look like an idiot trying to throw the ball with time expiring in field goal range. Most everyone on here would have been sad but fine with a missed field goal because it’s the 100% correct call there. I could get behind you in some things in your attenpt to defend Lebby across multiple threads on this board but this attempt reveals that you probably don’t know what you are talking about.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

We are having to pinch pennies unlike Ole Miss or most on our schedule. An example is Hardy. You the guy that ran all over us last night? We had to pass on him due to money. We went with option 2 to save money to be able to spend elsewhere.

I see so much jealously of Ole Miss on here without the understanding. Lane Kiffin does exactly what you are complaining that Lebby does. Lane went for it on 4th inside his own 20 on the road vs OU this season. He did it verses Bama 2 years ago. In fact he lost that game. The OU game this year, he had the talent to make up for it.

This isn't a poor ole state. It's a simple truth and it is what it is. Until we get way more money in NIL we are going to have this same discussion over and over no matter who the QB is nor the HC is. It's always going to be somebody's fault that our 3 star OL could not block a 5 star DL and LB rather than understanding our lack of purchasing power.

When you get to that point, you begin to grasp how well this staff has done with what we have. We should not have been in the Tenn, Tx, TAMU, UF, nor Mizzou game at any point.


I love MSU! I will always watch til the end. But this constant blaming everybody except for THE issue is mind numbing.

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I have it on great authority that we picked Fluff over Hardy. The difference between the two isn't a big deal.

In fact, I've been told that our 3rd string QB from FSU is making more than 90% of the team.

Its not a money problem - its an allocation problem.

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Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses

It is speculation. But what isn't speculation now is that he made the wrong decisions. Because of those decisions we are in the position we are now. You have said we dont have the talent to execute so why run the riskiest play of all of them? It's really no point in arguing because everyone is going to stick to what they believe. I believe from previous coaching decisions and results of those coaching decisions that he isn't the man for the job. We need players. We need money. For me personally.. I will no longer invest my hard earned money to a product that is obviously headed toward bankruptcy. That will be dumb on my part. The money that was raised has been invested and there is no arguing we are better than we was last year. But instead of being an 8 win team.. we are a 5 win team. In my eyes not because of talent but because of coaching. I will get criticized for this but that's completely okay

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Some what correct. We do not have the OL talent to execute on a high level, which is why our QBS are being sacked 1 time out of 8 attempts. I'm not sure what riskiest play you are referring to. If it's passing vs running at the end of the UF game, I see nothing wrong with the call. I see everything wrong with the execution of it.

Personally, I would have ran it, but that's me.

What about us spending big money on players like Kro-Hawk, Stonka, and Deonte Anderson. I can go on and on. We have spent tons of money on kids that are not performing at all. That isn't on the fans.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

Lebby has 90 plays. Shapen and Taylor know all 84. Luke knows like 30. Leb doesn?t trust KT because in the Florida game, he called three RPOs that had guys open and KT ran it instead.

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I know this may sound silly, but I have an idea....

Stop giving the freshman an option and just call the F'ing pass in the RPO route! Mind blowing, I know.

I mean, these coaches kill me. You get paid millions a year, and your excuse is that a freshman can't also play Offensive Coordinator mid play, so the more talented guy doesn't see the field??! Are you kidding me?! Lebby, you're the coach, want the kid to run a specific play, CALL IT. Am I living in the twilight zone here, what are we doing?

That's like me telling my child, you have the option today to do one of 3 chores....1. Clean the toilets, 2. Turn off your room lights, 3. Keep the front door shut......and wondering why the toilets never get cleaned. Take away the easier options and the more beneficial one will get done. These coaches expect these QB's to be de facto OC's and we wonder why none of them can play at State until they're Juniors or transfer out. Do your f'ing job, Coach....and if Taylor or any other QB isn't capable of doing what you need....well, you recruited them, so that's on you too.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Yeah but that's all speculation on your part. You don't know if the run would have resulted in a TFL, Gain, Fumble. We don't even know if he makes the FG, he has missed this season. Heck, we don't even know if the long snapper gets it to the holder. But the call Lebby made, the odds are majorly in favor of the pass being incomplete or completed vs an INT.

Nothing wrong with the call, the execution was not good.

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If Lebby had lined up and kicked the FG from there and missed it, he wouldn't have gotten nearly the negative response from fans as he actually got. We are capable of seeing nuance.

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

Booth was averaging 4.8 yards per carry and had been gashing them the entire last quarter. It was an incredibly dumb coaching decision. It was a dumb call in a season full of dumb calls. Just like the 7 straight QB sneaks in a row last night that that announcers were laughing about. You run the ball. You kick the field goal. If you miss the field goal at least you don’t look like an idiot trying to throw the ball with time expiring in field goal range. Most everyone on here would have been sad but fine with a missed field goal because it’s the 100% correct call there. I could get behind you in some things in your attenpt to defend Lebby across multiple threads on this board but this attempt reveals that you probably don’t know what you are talking about.

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So you are saying that the execution of the passing play was good? Like I said. Todays game has changed. Analytics ...old school people hate them because it's not what they were raised on. But we are over 50% in those plays based off that. Like I said, I am old school in many ways. I'm good with running it there to try to set up the FG kicker.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

I have it on great authority that we picked Fluff over Hardy. The difference between the two isn't a big deal.

In fact, I've been told that our 3rd string QB from FSU is making more than 90% of the team.

Its not a money problem - its an allocation problem.

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Nope

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

If Lebby had lined up and kicked the FG from there and missed it, he wouldn't have gotten nearly the negative response from fans as he actually got. We are capable of seeing nuance.

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Because that is what we are use to. But modern coaches go by a different mindset based on analytics. If Kiffin were our coach, he would do the same thing even with this Roster.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Because that is what we are use to. But modern coaches go by a different mindset based on analytics. If Kiffin were our coach, he would do the same thing even with this Roster.

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Lebby is not using analytics to drive his decisions. Too many obvious counterexamples. He's using his personal feelings to drive his calls, and it's not working out for us.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Lebby is not using analytics to drive his decisions. Too many obvious counterexamples. He's using his personal feelings to drive his calls, and it's not working out for us.

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LOL! Ok. We will never be more than what we are now due to the mindset of fans. We will destroy anything being build because we know better. It will always be play the back up and we have to fire the coach regardless of actual issues.

And with that, I am out

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

The idea that no one on here understands we are in a bad money position and just jealous of Ole Miss is hysterically out-of-touch. We all get it.

We need a coach who can win despite the financial disadvantages. Even if Lebby could hypothetically be a good coach at a richer school (which I doubt), he doesn't appear to be the right coach for us.

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You?re asking for the impossible. It?s the same as saying I want a Lambo on a McDonalds cashier salary and if I work hard enough for it I can do it. It?s a senseless take.

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Originally Posted by SPMT

How do we get more money?

Are Ole Miss boosters that much wealthier than MSU boosters?

Are we just not as committed as Ole Miss?

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Just see this board. The most committed MSU fans who spend time posting on forums wont even donate because they think it?s bad morals or something dumb

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

Just see this board. The most committed MSU fans who spend time posting on forums wont even donate because they think it?s bad morals or something dumb

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Honest question... would you invest in a stock that you have seen people invest money into and the product just sits on the shelf? Would you invest in same product if the CEO was a first time CEO and he cost the company millions of dollars by decisions he made? Because companies are suppose to be profitable, right? If not, they go under.

The players we paid the most for sit on the bench. And our coach has made multiple decisions that lost us the game.