I just need to know...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

I don?t know if these message boards would qualify as a reasonable test sample, but if I had to guess, Right Now, the Fanbase is 60% Keep him another year
40% Cut him and move on even in this crazy coaching environment

IF, he does go 4-8 (0-8 SEC) I suspect that will flip to 60 want him gone.

By the way, since so many of yall say Last Year doesn?t count, did the NCAA erase last years results from our record? Is State the only program that isn?t counting last year?s results in our records?

In 2020, when Leach was forced to play a 10 game SEC schedule and managed to only win 3 of them, did that count against our record? It seems the only fair thing for the SEC to do is not even count those 8 losses for us and the 8 wins for our opponents!

It would have also been fair in 2020 to have all the other 13 teams play a 10 game SEC schedule but allow Po? Ol? MSU to only play 6 SEC games and 4 games against FBS teams. Seems like we are getting ripped off for having to keep playing the schedule they give us!!!��������

---

I think part of MSU's fans issue is not understanding the environment and landscape of college football now.

For the 40% that are calling for a new coach they need to be donating more money to the NIL fund and encouraging other MSU fans to do the same.

It's crazy for MSU fans to say that they're Ok with a coach learning on the job when we first hire them and then get upset when they make mistakes....learning on the job.

MSU needs to prioritize getting better players and building better depth at this point. That's a big reason why we have lost most of our games- lack of depth. It's not the only reason but it's a big one.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Todd4State

It's crazy for MSU fans to say that they're Ok with a coach learning on the job when we first hire them and then get upset when they make mistakes....learning on the job.

---

I think the vast majority of Lebbyskeptical fans aren't "OK with a coach learning on the job." Whenever the next change is made, we would like to hire someone with established successful head coaching experience, even if it's G5/FCS.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by msstate7

Nah...

https://i.postimg.cc/fWXwbT6f/IMG-0553.jpg

---

Hope you got a DD for the short bus.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

I think the vast majority of Lebbyskeptical fans aren't "OK with a coach learning on the job." Whenever the next change is made, we would like to hire someone with established successful head coaching experience, even if it's G5/FCS.

---

It probably will be someone with experience whenever that time comes especially since Arnett failed massively before Lebby. Fans aren't going to be happy about three first year coaches in a row. At the same time, he is what he is and I remember a lot of fans saying that they expected there to be growing pains. And despite that, some are still upset about them.

FCS is too low. See Moorhead. Way too much variability in that league to assess. I would prefer someone from the AAC. It's the best G5 conference IMO and they have to play games that have national implications. It's a bit more rare to see that from a Sun Belt or C-USA team.

Also, experienced coaches are expected to bring players that can help right away in this era. Typically, you don't get as much of that with a coordinator hire. That's what Huff did at USM. Either way, it costs money and money must be spent on players.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

I think the vast majority of Lebbyskeptical fans aren't "OK with a coach learning on the job." Whenever the next change is made, we would like to hire someone with established successful head coaching experience, even if it's G5/FCS.

---

and that is what so many dont understand. We have to keep hiring coordinators because up and coming G5 HC's wont take our job in hopes of holding out for a better offer. We dont just keep hiring coordinators for the helluva it

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Coach34

and that is what so many dont understand. We have to keep hiring coordinators because up and coming G5 HC's wont take our job in hopes of holding out for a better offer. We dont just keep hiring coordinators for the helluva it

---

We absolutely could hire someone like Ryan Silverfield if we wanted too. Among others. We've had plenty of head coaches at other schools interested in our job before- see Mike Leach. Jeff Monken was very interested in our job. Gene Chizik was literally begging for our job.

With Lebby he was an exception in that I think Selmon really believes in him and also has familiarity with him. And I think he has done an OK job so far. As you have said before, no one was going to win with what we had in 2024.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Todd4State

We absolutely could hire someone like Ryan Silverfield if we wanted too. Among others. We've had plenty of head coaches at other schools interested in our job before- see Mike Leach. Jeff Monken was very interested in our job. Gene Chizik was literally begging for our job.

With Lebby he was an exception in that I think Selmon really believes in him and also has familiarity with him. And I think he has done an OK job so far. As you have said before, no one was going to win with what we had in 2024.

---

Ryan Silverfield and Jeff Monken are both on my hot board of 16 experienced and successful head coaches.

But they both have some small red flags. Silverfield's is that both of his predecessors at Memphis won more than him, and then crashed and burned at P5 jobs. That doesn't necessarily mean Silverfield would do the same, but it does make you wonder if Memphis wins primarily because it has more resources than its conference opponents and just keeps artificially making their coaches look better than they are.

For Monken, it's that he's been an offensive guy running the triple option as a head coach since 2010. I don't think we can run the Army offense here in the SEC, even if we could take some concepts from it. For this reason, I would prefer Navy's Brian Newberry if we want to go the service academy route, as he's younger, has a higher winning percentage, and came up as a DC, so he might not be attached to any particular offense.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Ryan Silverfield and Jeff Monken are both on my hot board of 16 experienced and successful head coaches.

But they both have some small red flags. Silverfield's is that both of his predecessors at Memphis won more than him, and then crashed and burned at P5 jobs. That doesn't necessarily mean Silverfield would do the same, but it does make you wonder if Memphis wins primarily because it has more resources than its conference opponents and just keeps artificially making their coaches look better than they are.

For Monken, it's that he's been an offensive guy running the triple option as a head coach since 2010. I don't think we can run the Army offense here in the SEC, even if we could take some concepts from it. For this reason, I would prefer Navy's Brian Newberry if we want to go the service academy route, as he's younger, has a higher winning percentage, and came up as a DC, so he might not be attached to any particular offense.

---

Alex Golesh and Eric Morris would be my top two. Our personnel fits their schemes and both have explosive offenses. Both took over major rebuilds and are now doing well.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Coach34

and that is what so many dont understand. We have to keep hiring coordinators because up and coming G5 HC's wont take our job in hopes of holding out for a better offer. We dont just keep hiring coordinators for the helluva it

---

I think Jon Sumrall, the current Tulane coach, wanted our job when it was open. Of course, Selmon wanted his buddy from Oklahoma and hired Lebby. Sumrall did a good job at Troy when he was Head Coach, and now is doing a good job at Tulane.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by NCDawg

I think Jon Sumrall, the current Tulane coach, wanted our job when it was open. Of course, Selmon wanted his buddy from Oklahoma and hired Lebby. Sumrall did a good job at Troy when he was Head Coach, and now is doing a good job at Tulane.

---

Jon Sumrall also let it be known he wanted the Kentucky job if it came open. He refused to sign a non compete clause so he wouldn?t jump to Kentucky. Then add on the rumors of Stoops going to A&M at the time and he also slow played us to find out if Stoops was leaving.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Ryan Silverfield and Jeff Monken are both on my hot board of 16 experienced and successful head coaches.

But they both have some small red flags. Silverfield's is that both of his predecessors at Memphis won more than him, and then crashed and burned at P5 jobs. That doesn't necessarily mean Silverfield would do the same, but it does make you wonder if Memphis wins primarily because it has more resources than its conference opponents and just keeps artificially making their coaches look better than they are.

For Monken, it's that he's been an offensive guy running the triple option as a head coach since 2010. I don't think we can run the Army offense here in the SEC, even if we could take some concepts from it. For this reason, I would prefer Navy's Brian Newberry if we want to go the service academy route, as he's younger, has a higher winning percentage, and came up as a DC, so he might not be attached to any particular offense.

---

Horrendous options. Both would be downgrades.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TrapGame

Jon Sumrall also let it be known he wanted the Kentucky job if it came open. He refused to sign a non compete clause so he wouldn?t jump to Kentucky. Then add on the rumors of Stoops going to A&M at the time and he also slow played us to find out if Stoops was leaving.

---

Yeah- too many people never see this side of things or take it into account when making a hire

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Horrendous options. Both would be downgrades.

---

You have no idea. None of us do. Hard to say anyone is a downgrade from 0-12 in conf. Maybe Lebby gets a win this week, so a downgrade is even possible

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by msstate7

You have no idea. None of us do. Hard to say anyone is a downgrade from 0-12 in conf. Maybe Lebby gets a win this week, so a downgrade is even possible

---

I know that bringing in a damn option coach would set us back a decade. I know that you and your boyfriend have a combined IQ of 50.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

I know that bringing in a damn option coach would set us back a decade. I know that you and your boyfriend have a combined IQ of 50.

---

When personal insults are your artillery, you've lost the argument. Maybe Q is insulted by your gay cracks, but I really don't give a crap.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by msstate7

When personal insults are your artillery, you've lost the argument. Maybe Q is insulted by your gay cracks, but I really don't give a crap.

---

No need to get catty.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by msstate7

When personal insults are your artillery, you've lost the argument. Maybe Q is insulted by your gay cracks, but I really don't give a crap.

---

Personally, I think gay people are pretty cool and didn't see it as an insult.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TrapGame

Jon Sumrall also let it be known he wanted the Kentucky job if it came open. He refused to sign a non compete clause so he wouldn?t jump to Kentucky. Then add on the rumors of Stoops going to A&M at the time and he also slow played us to find out if Stoops was leaving.

---

I think Selmon would have hired Lebby whether Sumrall would have signed the noncompete clause or not. I note he just signed an extension with Tulane and says he's not interested in the LSU job. Of course this is all speculation

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by NCDawg

I think Selmon would have hired Lebby whether Sumrall would have signed the noncompete clause or not. I note he just signed an extension with Tulane and says he's not interested in the LSU job. Of course this is all speculation

---

Totally unfair to Sumrall, but after our def HC disaster, I sorta understand

Lord please don't let us hire a coach that runs the triple option. I can't ever see that working in the SEC.

Personally I want to give Lebby another year. I get he is winless in the SEC. And I wouldn't be surprised if he still after Saturday. But I like the improvement I have seen from last year to this year. The most important thing our program needs is stability and we haven't had that since Mullen left.