Coach 34, if I may, a football question

We put out a shitload of engineers and while they have an engineering program (notice I didn't say school) anyone with any sense at all doesn't hire an OM engineer. I've worked with them. They're shit. So, engineers make more than fashion designers and business degree grads.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

There is a reason for that, there are many that haven't trusted the the leadership in the athletic department for a long time. Our own people have pushed unqualified people into critical spots to serve their own interest to the detriment of MSU and others notice this homer BS and stay away. This seems to be changing or the better now and I hope it continues.

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These guys are high net worth individuals. They are not going to give large amounts of money to people if they don't think those people are going to spend it effectively. And nothing about the John Cohen AD tenure could be considered effective, outside of hiring Chris Jans.

Smart said earlier at the SEC meetings (I guess), that if this continues, that schools are going to be forced to discontinue other athletic programs. I think he?s correct too, bc football is the king of revenue. Let?s say that?s true, big schools have more sports to provide bc of their size. We don?t have swimming, diving, gymnastics, equestrian sports to cut, but they do. I believe when this starts happening is when the revolt will begin to the NCAA. We cannot compete, we can only survive in football.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

These guys are high net worth individuals. They are not going to give large amounts of money to people if they don't think those people are going to spend it effectively. And nothing about the John Cohen AD tenure could be considered effective, outside of hiring Chris Jans.

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The hire of Cohen immediately turned me off from any support of MSU athletics. The most asinine hire and group think.
For the first time , with Selmon especially running it, I have confidence to donate and that we have someone outside the box run it.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Yeah- we are funding at a level to stay above G5 but there is no way we will get in the top half of the SEC. We simply dont have the money.

People talking about how we gonna allocate 18MM to football in this House BS deal fail to realize that money from that 20MM is going to have to go women's sports. The law is the law. This aint gonna be a 20MM dolla men's sports grab

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We need some Sicilians running that payroll ***

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Originally Posted by Coach34

They are the Dr's and lawyers school- like it or not- they do have more money than we do. Their FB program also earns millions more per season than ours does. Lastly- their people are more committed than ours as a whole. They want the prestige of being an NIL contributor. They have people that will drive to Oxford for big recruiting weekends to make that shithole look more packed with people than an average weekend. Be seen out in restaurants and around town. Make it look busy so recruits see a thriving town.

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MSU has a higher acceptance rate into medical school than Ole Miss undergrad. And that needs to be said loudly and more often in the state of MS for prospective students. I recently had to tell younger extended family members about this because I heard them say "if you go into medical you go to ole miss".
We need to start loudly correcting the old notion.

Average Graduate of MSU makes more than the average Ole Miss grad.

Over 30,000 more living alumni than ole miss.

Top five careers that have millionaires includes teachers and engineers....the thing is that is over decades of saving v. instant cash so we have more prudent people and want to see our money go to something useful.
Maybe that is also why we are not a cult about football to the degree of ole miss also. We have lives and other priorities, like making money and enjoying family
It is their religion.

Seems like it?s almost better off to run the program like a JUCO considering our pecking order and budget constraints. Pay good money for a couple of key difference makers on both sides of the ball. Everyone else you understand is going to be gone in a year or 2. Prove you can get guys placed and paid after a year or so in the program and I believe you?d have good talent that got overlooked or is trying to move up

I struggle to see the value in spending $20M to go 6-7 in football. What a waste of resources.

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

I struggle to see the value in spending $20M to go 6-7 in football. What a waste of resources.

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Yeah I get it pays the bills but damn that really just leaves nothing to look forward to in the sport other than your random upset here and there maybe.

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

I struggle to see the value in spending $20M to go 6-7 in football. What a waste of resources.

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The value is it allows you to sit at the table with the big dogs and collect tv revenue that mostly pays for everything else

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Originally Posted by DawgFromOxford

The value is it allows you to sit at the table with the big dogs and collect tv revenue that mostly pays for everything else

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Basically this. Be like Kentucky be mediocre in FB with the 7-9 win year, and the occasional 10+ season and be famous for Basketball. MSU and other schools even MIssouri should concentrate on Basketball and Baseball. Let OM., Arkry, Aubbie and SC waste their resources banging their head with the TX Schools and BAMA.

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Originally Posted by DawgFromOxford

The value is it allows you to sit at the table with the big dogs and collect tv revenue that mostly pays for everything else

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And THAT is why the big donors are going to sit on the sidelines to see how all this crap plays out. They are NOT going to put in Millions to go 6-7. And I don't blame them. Like others have said, if State has to find a niche coach with a niche offense that can fool enough other coaches to win 7 to 8 games a year by spending most on Defense and enough on the Oline to run for 150-200 a game and score in the upper 20s most games. So you win 7 games 27-17 and you lose 5 games 28-20. At least you are competitive in the losses. Damn! Why does it have to be Rocket Surgery???

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

And THAT is why the big donors are going to sit on the sidelines to see how all this crap plays out. They are NOT going to put in Millions to go 6-7. And I don't blame them. Like others have said, if State has to find a niche coach with a niche offense that can fool enough other coaches to win 7 to 8 games a year by spending most on Defense and enough on the Oline to run for 150-200 a game and score in the upper 20s most games. So you win 7 games 27-17 and you lose 5 games 28-20. At least you are competitive in the losses. Damn! Why does it have to be Rocket Surgery???

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And then he will finally get the program built to where he can win 10-11 games become Number 1 in the nation hell even beat LSU then leave and go to Florida.

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

And THAT is why the big donors are going to sit on the sidelines to see how all this crap plays out. They are NOT going to put in Millions to go 6-7. And I don't blame them. Like others have said, if State has to find a niche coach with a niche offense that can fool enough other coaches to win 7 to 8 games a year by spending most on Defense and enough on the Oline to run for 150-200 a game and score in the upper 20s most games. So you win 7 games 27-17 and you lose 5 games 28-20. At least you are competitive in the losses. Damn! Why does it have to be Rocket Surgery???

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I don't fault anyone for not wanting throw their money down the drain that is NIL/college athletics, but unfortunately its the current state of affairs. Either play the game to at least be at the tail end of the lead pack or get left behind.

We just hired a phenomenal baseball coach from a top program, because we were willing to fund what they weren't. Having SEC money helped make that happen.

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

I struggle to see the value in spending $20M to go 6-7 in football. What a waste of resources.

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IMO, football is a lost cause unless someone stands up and puts an NIL cap across all schools. Until they do that its not even real competition anymore. NFL would lose a big percentage of its fans and viewers if the top few money teams were allowed to buy all the players and the smaller market teams had NO chance to compete for anything.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

IMO, football is a lost cause unless someone stands up and puts an NIL cap across all schools. Until they do that its not even real competition anymore. NFL would lose a big percentage of its fans and viewers if the top few money teams were allowed to buy all the players and the smaller market teams had NO chance to compete for anything.

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Yes- football is a lost cause

Our new role is to win 2 conference games and make a bowl game.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

IMO, football is a lost cause unless someone stands up and puts an NIL cap across all schools. Until they do that its not even real competition anymore. NFL would lose a big percentage of its fans and viewers if the top few money teams were allowed to buy all the players and the smaller market teams had NO chance to compete for anything.

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Or they'd just all pull for a few teams. Kind of like the Yankees back when

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Originally Posted by DawgFromOxford

The value is it allows you to sit at the table with the big dogs and collect tv revenue that mostly pays for everything else

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Exactly. Plus, to state what I assume is really obvious, winning 6-7 games beats the heck out of winning TWO games.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

IMO, football is a lost cause unless someone stands up and puts an NIL cap across all schools. Until they do that its not even real competition anymore. NFL would lose a big percentage of its fans and viewers if the top few money teams were allowed to buy all the players and the smaller market teams had NO chance to compete for anything.

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The problem is that it is going to take one of the big boys(Bama,tOSU,LSU,UGA,etc) to stand up and say, “Hey guys, this crap is stupid. Like what the hell are we doing here?” for the wheels of change to begin to turn. As long as the Mississippi State and Kentucky’s of the CFB world are the ones saying it then nothing will change. But the cliff is coming, and it is coming quick.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Yes- football is a lost cause

Our new role is to win 2 conference games and make a bowl game.

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Guys, we averaged 3.5 conference wins a season over the last 30 years and that was during the golden era of Miss. State football. I'm telling you, with good coaching we're basically in the same boat. We can get good enough players to hold serve, but we need good coaching and I just don't think we have that right now (top to bottom).