Tonight Will Wrap Up The Chris Lemonis Era

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

And you'd be incorrect again

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I'll be honest, if it's not something that's against the law, then I don't really care. And since, to my knowledge he hasn't been convicted of anything, it's a nothing burger.

I do think it is a little funny that guys try to posture on here like they have this info, that everybody else is dumb for not having it, but then refuse to speak on it other than in extremely vague and nondescript ways. I think it boils down to the fact that they want to seem important but really know nothing.

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Originally Posted by ZedFedder

I do think it is a little funny that guys try to posture on here like they have this info, that everybody else is dumb for not having it, but then refuse to speak on it other than in extremely vague and nondescript ways. I think it boils down to the fact that they want to seem important but really know nothing.

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It's a message board. A lot of folks will come with little tidbits of information they were given and hope someone else is able to fill in the blanks. For example, the Mikhai Grant thing. I heard everything under the sun of why he was kicked off the team. And because it was never officially reported, rumors ran wild. Finally this weekend I just straight up asked someone who hangs around the players a bunch and got the answer and it was pretty simple.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

For example, the Mikhai Grant thing. I heard everything under the sun of why he was kicked off the team. And because it was never officially reported, rumors ran wild. Finally this weekend I just straight up asked someone who hangs around the players a bunch and got the answer and it was pretty simple.

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I'd love to know what the actual story was there.

Will he wind up at another SEC school is the better question.

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Originally Posted by StateDawg44

I'd love to know what the actual story was there.

Will he wind up at another SEC school is the better question.

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Just PM'd you.

But I would say it's pretty unlikely he ends up at another SEC school.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

It's a message board. A lot of folks will come with little tidbits of information they were given and hope someone else is able to fill in the blanks. For example, the Mikhai Grant thing. I heard everything under the sun of why he was kicked off the team. And because it was never officially reported, rumors ran wild. Finally this weekend I just straight up asked someone who hangs around the players a bunch and got the answer and it was pretty simple.

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No doubt. I think that is a little different than the Coggin guys.

What Coggins do that?s so bad?

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I'm not saying all are like this, because some people truly may know something about the guy, but I think a lot of the negative connotations about Coggin stem from his time here, when he was icy to a lot of people and then the UGA game last year where he really got into it with our players and staff.

As far as his time here, I think what a lot of people have to understand is those Cohen staffs really took the personality of Cohen. VERY very icy towards anyone not on the team. There was not one assistant that wasn't cagey towards people. Whether it was Butch, Nick, Will, Lane, or Wes. They kind of took on the persona that Cohen had when he was the coach. I think some of this newer age of fans don't remember baseball coach Cohen. They never heard of him affectionately referred to as the IB.

As far as the stuff last year, that was him defending his team. We'd want our coaches doing the same thing

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I remember soft spoken mild mannered Butch Thompson going after a security guard at alabama that was talking shit in our dugout after we lost a game to them. Cohen was doing a radio interview and you could hear the commotion in the background and Cohen had to end the interview so he could get in the middle of it. So, yeah, there is something to coaches taking on Cohen's edginess.

If Coggin is passed over b/c of whatever it is that some here infer about him, I hope it is a bigtime legit concern and not just hurt feelings or pride or personality issues.

Coggin burned bridges here that I don't think he can overcome. He did some things he shouldn't have and people don't forget those things at State. We shall see but I 💯 believe we'd have to miss on a lot of people to end up with him

I think if we swing and miss on some guys and end up with a guy like Coggin, I'll probably be okay with it.

But he's not my first, second, or third call.

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

I think if we swing and miss on some guys and end up with a guy like Coggin, I'll probably be okay with it.

But he's not my first, second, or third call.

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Just curious....who'd be your first calls? Not saying you're wrong or anything like that. Just seeing how high you're shooting on this

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Just curious....who'd be your first calls? Not saying you're wrong or anything like that. Just seeing how high you're shooting on this

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Well, the first calls would be the unrealistic candidates like Tony V, Brian O'Conner, Bakich, etc, so after those guys tell you no, my next calls would be in the tier of guys like Rob Vaughn, Chris Pollard, Wes Johnson, Mark Wasikowski, Steve Sabins, Scott Forbes.

Most of them will say no, but you see if you can pry one away. If you swing and miss on those guys, then you go to the lower level HCs or top assistant tier, which is where we probably end up pulling a guy from. Skylar Meade, Jordan Bischel, Ben Orloff, Andrew Checketts, etc. and the then guys like Elander and Coggin. Our next coach is probably a guy like one of these names, but I'd definitely swing hard at first before getting here.

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

Well, the first calls would be the unrealistic candidates like Tony V, Brian O'Conner, Bakich, etc, so after those guys tell you no, my next calls would be in the tier of guys like Rob Vaughn, Chris Pollard, Wes Johnson, Mark Wasikowski, Steve Sabins, Scott Forbes.

Most of them will say no, but you see if you can pry one away. If you swing and miss on those guys, then you go to the lower level HCs or top assistant tier, which is where we probably end up pulling a guy from. Skylar Meade, Jordan Bischel, Ben Orloff, Andrew Checketts, etc. and the then guys like Elander and Coggin. Our next coach is probably a guy like one of these names, but I'd definitely swing hard at first before getting here.

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My issue is that we swing hard on a guy like Chris Pollard or Wasikowski and take two weeks for them to turn us down, see Schlossnagle, and then we're left scrambling. Which is how you end up with Lemonis. I don't waste my time on guys like Vitello, O'Conner, Corbin, or any of the other out there names I've seen. I'd probably offer Bakich a blank check just to see.

I do agree with you that the Meade, Bischell, Orloff, Checketts level is probably our best chance of pulling a sitting HC. But then you have to ask yourself is that a better option than someone like Coggin, Elander, or Nate Thompson. Those guys have been in the SEC and recruited in the SEC for a long damn time. They know how this conference operates and how it is currently operating.

I will say that Steve Sabins is a name that interests me. I'd want to know how much of their success is him and how much of it is Randy Mazey made it impossible to fail though.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

My issue is that we swing hard on a guy like Chris Pollard or Wasikowski and take two weeks for them to turn us down, see Schlossnagle, and then we're left scrambling. Which is how you end up with Lemonis. I don't waste my time on guys like Vitello, O'Conner, Corbin, or any of the other out there names I've seen. I'd probably offer Bakich a blank check just to see.

I do agree with you that the Meade, Bischell, Orloff, Checketts level is probably our best chance of pulling a sitting HC. But then you have to ask yourself is that a better option than someone like Coggin, Elander, or Nate Thompson. Those guys have been in the SEC and recruited in the SEC for a long damn time. They know how this conference operates and how it is currently operating.

I will say that Steve Sabins is a name that interests me. I'd want to know how much of their success is him and how much of it is Randy Mazey made it impossible to fail though.

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I wish we had gone for Wasikowski at the time instead of Lemonis.
If we hire Sabins.....it is set up on a platter for spelling options on our boards.

edit: But at the time, Wasikowski did not allow Cohen the "multiple CWS appearances" BS he said on the radio when he was running his mouth.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Coggin burned bridges here that I don't think he can overcome. He did some things he shouldn't have and people don't forget those things at State. We shall see but I 💯 believe we'd have to miss on a lot of people to end up with him

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Shit like this is why state will never be successful. 17 your feelings. You are either in it to win or you?re not. This is big time college athletics, not church league softball. Get people in here that can do a job, not folks who make you feel warm and fuzzy. Winning makes you feel warm and fuzzy.


Edit to add: this was not directed at you cooter. Just the idea of that mentality in general.

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Originally Posted by Pinto

Shit like this is why state will never be successful. 17 your feelings. You are either in it to win or you?re not. This is big time college athletics, not church league softball. Get people in here that can do a job, not folks who make you feel warm and fuzzy. Winning makes you feel warm and fuzzy.


Edit to add: this was not directed at you cooter. Just the idea of that mentality in general.

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The good news is that those guys won't be doing the heavy lifting financially on this hire so it doesn't really matter. Richard Adkerson is more involved in baseball now and will help us out on that front. As are Paul Maholm and Pabelbon.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

My issue is that we swing hard on a guy like Chris Pollard or Wasikowski and take two weeks for them to turn us down, see Schlossnagle, and then we're left scrambling. Which is how you end up with Lemonis. I don't waste my time on guys like Vitello, O'Conner, Corbin, or any of the other out there names I've seen. I'd probably offer Bakich a blank check just to see.

I do agree with you that the Meade, Bischell, Orloff, Checketts level is probably our best chance of pulling a sitting HC. But then you have to ask yourself is that a better option than someone like Coggin, Elander, or Nate Thompson. Those guys have been in the SEC and recruited in the SEC for a long damn time. They know how this conference operates and how it is currently operating.

I will say that Steve Sabins is a name that interests me. I'd want to know how much of their success is him and how much of it is Randy Mazey made it impossible to fail though.

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As far as Sabins goes I would venture to guess he had a LOT to do with it since he has been there since 2016 and was their recruiting coordinator.

https://wvusports.com/sports/basebal...ve-sabins/1866

This is his postgame interview from yesterday. Actually has some insight into their program. You can tell the difference between him and Lemonis. Lemonis was basically like "I'm just trying not to mess this up" in year one. Sabins is developing and building.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uif5KHPTMWQ

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

The good news is that those guys won't be doing the heavy lifting financially on this hire so it doesn't really matter. Richard Adkerson is more involved in baseball now and will help us out on that front. As are Paul Maholm and Pabelbon.

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With that kind of financial backing we definitely should at least kick the tires on a guy like Vitello or Backich. No reason not to. And then go to a guy like Sabins. If that doesn't work go for Coggin and tell whoever has their panties in a wad that we're here to win and not make MSU staffers happy.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

With that kind of financial backing we definitely should at least kick the tires on a guy like Vitello or Backich. No reason not to. And then go to a guy like Sabins. If that doesn't work go for Coggin and tell whoever has their panties in a wad that we're here to win and not make MSU staffers happy.

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I don't mind kicking the tires on Bakich. We don't need to bother with Vitello. Tennessee has 500 Richard Adkerson's and about 250 of them are far wealthier. Jimmy Haslam could pay off the debt on Dudy Noble with one check and not know the money was missing.

I wonder how people who think Coggin is toxic have also wished we would rehire Cann.