Tom Herman Fired at FAU

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Originally Posted by BorneDawg

yes and thats why I think Lebby needs a little slack this year.... Now has he done a great job....no.......... but is he the worst coach in our history....NO !!! We have not won as man games as Arnett did but over all we have been much more competitive/competent I think (except toledo)

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Sorry Cuz, looking at 2-10 baring an upset against MO, one of the worse teams in my MSU life. Have been going in person since 1963, and the feeling in the stands around me in Section 4 has been no hope of a victory or a competitive "D" on our part in any game except our two wins against pitiful foes. Sure we have little talent, but questionable coaching hires and schemes also has contributed to 2-10, which is Shira/Croom level. I have felt younger at the games as I have felt like I'm watching a good passing team as in the Pharr/Smith/Milner years with no "D" and no hope of victory, a flashback to futility I never thought I wouldsee again in my lifetime! Gotta give Lebby more time, but changes are needed on and off the field.

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Sorry Cuz, looking at 2-10 baring a upset against MO, one of the worse teams with questionable staff hires. Have been going in person since 1963, and the feeloing in the stands around me in Section 4 has been no hope of a victory or a competitive "D" on our part in any game ecept our two wins against pitiful foes. Sure we have little talent, but questionable coaching also leads to 2-10, with is Shira/Croom level.

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Sorry, but that's a results-oriented view that has no basis in fact. Just because we are a 2 win team does not mean that Jeff Lebby has done a poor job of coaching. He was given crap to work with. He did a great job of finishing out the transitional class. He found some offensive playmakers in the portal. He got the team's QB of the future in the transitional class. He completely changed his approach mid-season, moving away from the push the envelope HUNH offense he is known for. The big thing is that the players have bought in despite the results. Effort isn't an issue with this team on either side of the ball.

The process is good to great. The results will come in time with more talent.

The offense got better once the original QB got hurt and Lebbo was forced to scale back the O for the freshman. That tells me he was trying to do too much early on aka- bad coaching

Current coach is about to go 2-10 and not fire his lazy excuse for a D coordinator, but give money guys!! We can buy talent that will fix our horrendous coaching hires!!

Us and Vandy are the only 2 teams in the conference that can hire coordinators as first time HCs and claim "we got the right guy, give him time".

What do we need to give him? 10 years? 20 years? When did we become a 17n training grounds for coordinators to give HCn a try? How is this okay? First time AD? We are too good to go poach "up and comer" ADs and HC from g5 schools. People that have actually had to make decisions before. We like to go for guys that are clueless and give them the keys to the program and athletic department.

Don't bother replying to me. I won't argue with any of you that think Lebby is the guy, or that Selmon is the guy. Neither have proven shit, and you're clearly basing your argument off of hope and maroon colored glasses. Nothing this season gives you a reason to argue that they have the slightest clue what they are doing.

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Originally Posted by MBDawg601

What do we need to give him? 10 years? 20 years? When did we become a 17n training grounds for coordinators to give HCn a try? How is this okay? First time AD? We are too good to go poach "up and comer" ADs and HC from g5 schools. People that have actually had to make decisions before. We like to go for guys that are clueless and give them the keys to the program and athletic department.

Don't bother replying to me. I won't argue with any of you that think Lebby is the guy, or that Selmon is the guy. Neither have proven shit, and you're clearly basing your argument off of hope and maroon colored glasses. Nothing this season gives you a reason to argue that they have the slightest clue what they are doing.

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Our last AD was hired by Auburn. Not really setting the world on fire there and glad they took him away from us.

The AD before him was hired by Florida. He'll be lucky to keep his job for another year with the hires that have happened under his watch.

Looking across the state, Ole Miss loses Bjork to A&M. Bjork then parlays giving out the worst coaching contract in history into a bigger gig at Ohio State.

In all of these situations, the excuse given is that they're simply a puppet and doing what that boosters want done.

Hiring an AD is a bigger crapshoot than hiring a coach, or in Cohen's case at Auburn hiring a married couple to coach softball...

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Originally Posted by Coach34

The offense got better once the original QB got hurt and Lebbo was forced to scale back the O for the freshman. That tells me he was trying to do too much early on aka- bad coaching

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This is also true. We supposedly went from carrying about 80 plays to half with Van Buren

While I'm not very high on Lebby so far, I think it's worth pointing out that 7 of the 16 current head coaches in the SEC were first-time head coaches when they were hired, including the coaches of Georgia and Oklahoma, so it's not just "us and Vandy" who would do it.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

The offense got better once the original QB got hurt and Lebbo was forced to scale back the O for the freshman. That tells me he was trying to do too much early on aka- bad coaching

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To you, any coach who doesn?t try to run the ball all the time is a bad coach, so I?m not paying attention to anyone whose idea of good offense is to run the ball.

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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh

Our last AD was hired by Auburn. Not really setting the world on fire there and glad they took him away from us.

The AD before him was hired by Florida. He'll be lucky to keep his job for another year with the hires that have happened under his watch.

Looking across the state, Ole Miss loses Bjork to A&M. Bjork then parlays giving out the worst coaching contract in history into a bigger gig at Ohio State.

In all of these situations, the excuse given is that they're simply a puppet and doing what that boosters want done.

Hiring an AD is a bigger crapshoot than hiring a coach, or in Cohen's case at Auburn hiring a married couple to coach softball...

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One thing I like about Bjork is he didn't roll over to the NCAA on the Freezus situation. We'd self reported, cooperated and still gotten the hammer. Look at severe penalties we got for tutor gate, in the grand scheme a very minor situation and we rolled over and got hammered. UNC had a 1,000,000x worse academic scandal, didn't cooperate and received no penalty.

I thought Shapen played well for the most part. Shapen just happened to be playing behind our line.

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Originally Posted by Matt3467

I thought Shapen played well for the most part. Shapen just happened to be playing behind our line.

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I thought Shapen's best game may have been in his last. We started utilizing QB run a bit more and it seemed to open a couple of things up. Unfortunately, he gets injured on one of those QB runs.

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Sorry Cuz, looking at 2-10 baring an upset against MO, one of the worse teams in my MSU life. Have been going in person since 1963, and the feeling in the stands around me in Section 4 has been no hope of a victory or a competitive "D" on our part in any game except our two wins against pitiful foes. Sure we have little talent, but questionable coaching hires and schemes also has contributed to 2-10, which is Shira/Croom level. I have felt younger at the games as I have felt like I'm watching a good passing team as in the Pharr/Smith/Milner years with no "D" and no hope of victory, a flashback to futility I never thought I wouldsee again in my lifetime! Gotta give Lebby more time, but changes are needed on and off the field.

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Cuz, what's your solution then? We can keep firing head coaches every year.... No big time coach will come(not that we could pull one anyways) if we give them one year and boom you're gone! As bad (as many think Leach's coaching style was) he at least demanded effort and discipline from his players.... to me Morehead and Arnett have been the worst hire and Croom is not far behind(at least he beat Bama).... As bad as we have been we have played harder this year as opposed to least year...

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Originally Posted by Coach34

The offense got better once the original QB got hurt and Lebbo was forced to scale back the O for the freshman. That tells me he was trying to do too much early on aka- bad coaching

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Sounds a lot like JoMo.

This is one of the worst MSU teams I've ever seen. It's embarrassing to be a State fan right now. Hopefully Lebby figures it out soon. Real soon...

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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh

Our last AD was hired by Auburn. Not really setting the world on fire there and glad they took him away from us.

The AD before him was hired by Florida. He'll be lucky to keep his job for another year with the hires that have happened under his watch.

Looking across the state, Ole Miss loses Bjork to A&M. Bjork then parlays giving out the worst coaching contract in history into a bigger gig at Ohio State.

In all of these situations, the excuse given is that they're simply a puppet and doing what that boosters want done.

Hiring an AD is a bigger crapshoot than hiring a coach, or in Cohen's case at Auburn hiring a married couple to coach softball...

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We haven't had an AD since Byrne left.

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

We haven't had an AD since Byrne left.

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Stricklin made some strides in the marketing. He also hired Vic Schaeffer and Ben Howland. Now on the inverse, he hired Rick Ray (although the Stans firing was more his father in law and overzealous boosters doings than his). Scott was a good AD. His worst mistake was somehow being convinced to endorse Cohen for AD.

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Originally Posted by KB21

To you, any coach who doesn?t try to run the ball all the time is a bad coach, so I?m not paying attention to anyone whose idea of good offense is to run the ball.

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There is no truth in your statement at all.

I do believe tho and its proven- that teams that can run the ball have better offenses. It's a must. You cant be one dimensional either way tho. Top 5 scoring SEC offenses:

1. Mississippi (5th rushing)
2. Bama (3rd in rushing)
3. Texas (9th in rushing)
4. Tenn (1st in rushing)
5. A&M (2nd in rushing)

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Originally Posted by Coach34

There is no truth in your statement at all.

I do believe tho and its proven- that teams that can run the ball have better offenses. It's a must. You cant be one dimensional either way tho. Top 5 scoring SEC offenses:

1. Mississippi (5th rushing)
2. Bama (3rd in rushing)
3. Texas (9th in rushing)
4. Tenn (1st in rushing)
5. A&M (2nd in rushing)

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Heck our run game has been really good the last 7. We're averaging almost 170 yds on the ground in that stretch. Our offense is predicated on being able to run it because it sets up the shots we like to take.

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Originally Posted by BorneDawg

Cuz, what's your solution then? We can keep firing head coaches every year.... No big time coach will come(not that we could pull one anyways) if we give them one year and boom you're gone! As bad (as many think Leach's coaching style was) he at least demanded effort and discipline from his players.... to me Morehead and Arnett have been the worst hire and Croom is not far behind(at least he beat Bama).... As bad as we have been we have played harder this year as opposed to least year...

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I never said to fire a coach every year. I said we have to give Lebby more time, but there are problems on and off the field. In my opinion he made questionable choices in hiring his staff, especially the DC (second year in a row a friend was hired by a first HC who had never held the position). I think about any HC hire could have gone 2-10 this year. Success on the field in victories in year two and especially in year three will tell the tale. I am beyond tired of our powers to be over the decades hiring on the job training AD's, HC's & DC's. We learn nothing from mistakes of the past.

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Sorry Cuz, looking at 2-10 baring an upset against MO, one of the worse teams in my MSU life. Have been going in person since 1963, and the feeling in the stands around me in Section 4 has been no hope of a victory or a competitive "D" on our part in any game except our two wins against pitiful foes. Sure we have little talent, but questionable coaching hires and schemes also has contributed to 2-10, which is Shira/Croom level. I have felt younger at the games as I have felt like I'm watching a good passing team as in the Pharr/Smith/Milner years with no "D" and no hope of victory, a flashback to futility I never thought I wouldsee again in my lifetime! Gotta give Lebby more time, but changes are needed on and off the field.

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Section 4 is dead as it can get. Also my section.

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Originally Posted by KB21

Sorry, but that's a results-oriented view that has no basis in fact. Just because we are a 2 win team does not mean that Jeff Lebby has done a poor job of coaching. He was given crap to work with. He did a great job of finishing out the transitional class. He found some offensive playmakers in the portal. He got the team's QB of the future in the transitional class. He completely changed his approach mid-season, moving away from the push the envelope HUNH offense he is known for. The big thing is that the players have bought in despite the results. Effort isn't an issue with this team on either side of the ball.

The process is good to great. The results will come in time with more talent.

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Every job I have ever had was results driven or at some point you are shown the door. Lebby inherited a dumpster fire and needs and deserves more time as he is our HC, (On the job training as we historically hire). If I had succeeded only 2 of every 12 times in of my three careers, my time there would be short without showing improvement in time needed to win and I wasn't making millions per year. Don't know if you are able to attend games, but there is no hope for very long term season ticket holders in Section 4 for a victory in any home game this year except UMASS especially since the Toledo disaster.