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I could get behind this, but I think we have to give Lebby three years. Next year’s schedule is worse than this one because of who we get at home and away. I also think Lebby will work out in the long run. I think that outside of the Toledo game and MAYBE ASU, this season is likely the same for whoever would have been HC.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
This idea that Jeff Lebby has created a country club atmosphere is completely made up and has no basis in fact.
I'm not a big fan of firing an AD because he made a bad hire in football. There's just more to it than that with any AD. Byrne absolutely was the best we had. And it was because he had the balls to make moves and make the right ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPMT
No I don't think Selmon has ruined the athletic department. But he has been disappointing in football so far.
Oh and BankerDog- because you keep calling me out for saying Shane Beamer would be a good coach.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/oth...d=BingNewsSerp
Selmon did not make a bad hire.
In other news, Jayven Williams from Kennesaw State is visiting this weekend
Congrats Todd. You finally hit on something after a thousand misses. But I?m sure you?d be wanting him gone and questioning his development after year 1 like you are with Lebby now if he were here. And then people could claim Selmon really hired his buddy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
And by the way-let?s not forget how you thought John Hevesy was a bad coach. It?s too bad your uncle isn?t as connected to the athletic department as he use to be so you?ve lost your connection to all the semi decent takes you use to have 10 years ago.
Pay up then big boyQuote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
You wanna bring up Caleb Cunningham in this conversation? How about ?hey they just now have their NIL guys pulling together, we have an established coach come play with us? ?oh hey we have several WRs in the NFL they have none.?Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Coleman and Booth haven?t contributed? You?re a bigger DA than I thought.
Defense? I sat at game in Arkansas and saw Tylan Green juke out 3 guys recruited by previous staffs.
You think the guy was going to upgrade 105 in 45 days? Gah you don?t know how this works.
Vegas, Coot please come back into this thread and let?s have honest conversations.
Ah the great John Hevesy- the best offensive line coach in Lowe's history. Yeah- he's so awesome that NO ONE has hired him in years. I'll get you his autograph the next time I need some hardware.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
That doesn't exactly sound like a "miss" by me.
Not in favor of firing either at the moment. Think we will be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
1. A bunch of lame excuses for not getting a recruit in our backyard. It's called this staff shit the bed.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
2. If you could actually read I said this staff has gotten nothing out of the portal outside of the WR's- and what position does Coleman play? Booth is average and nothing special. How many times have we given it to him on short yardage and he has failed literally every single time? THAT'S giving you hope with this staff?
3. Defense? Yes you did see them juke out three guys recruited by previous staffs. And they're coached by THIS staff which failed to upgrade from them. Thanks for making my point.
4. Don't tell me I don't know how this works when you don't even know that the roster doesn't increase to 105 until next year. The bottom line is this staff had a chance to improve the team in the offseason just like everyone else did and failed to do so.
Oh and with Hevesy it's not just MSU fans that know he sucks. It's Florida fans too.
I love how Banker will give him credit for Ben Beckwith when Ben had to actually walk-on because someone that was coaching our offensive line didn't think he was good enough for a scholarship.
Or how we had to have a DT and a TE play offensive tackle because someone just had to tell "recruits how it is" and screwed over the whole program in 2011 and 2015.
My problem with Hevesy isn't really his coaching or his recruiting as much as it was he was given a pass for being really awful at a key part of his job and he was a POS human being while doing it.
Big picture with the AD:Quote:
Originally Posted by SPMT
Football is bad.
Basketball (men's and women's), baseball, and soccer are really good.
Yes there needs to be improvement with football but it would be hard to justify firing Selmon with everything else doing well.
You’re pretty fired up, Todd. I like your energy
Yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
On a different note, though I like Leach a lot, I do now believe him being here hurt program development in the short term. Due only to the way he chose players for his style of offense and lack of defensive care.
At first I thought people were overreacting, but it appears to be significant.
Add the absolute garbage staff we had last year and this and probably next year will not be good.
Hopefully we don't get any transfers from Memphis this time.
I think what hurt more was MSU making extremely poor decisions after Leach passed away. As in hiring Arnett and going in a completely different direction with the offense. It was the same mistake MSU made with hiring Moorhead after Dan. We should have hired a power spread option guy to either be the head coach or OC after Dan left. And yet I don't see anyone complaining about the players that Dan left Joe on offense even though some of them were lacking especially at the WR spot. Leach passed away two years ago and with the portal we should have been able to rebuild by now. See Vanderbilt. If they can rebuild in one offseason there is zero reason why MSU can't do it too.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPMT
This is who should be our QB right now.
https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...wyer-robertson
Those are the kind of players we ran off. And by the way it was a Mike Leach recruit that just won the Kent Hull award a couple of days ago.
He did give Arnett autonomy to recruit the defensive side of the ball and I will say that was a mistake on his part.
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Originally Posted by Todd4State
But Lea did not rebuild in one off-season. He had multiple losing seasons before his breakthrough. He instilled something and THEN got this year. He’s been the coach since 2021. Half this board would have fired Lea before this year.
Just tired of seeing MSU make the same mistakes over and over again and expecting different results.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigbub50
The same people talking up the JUCO's now will be complaining about how they were misevaluated and really weren't any good a year from now. And probably blame baseball and the LFL for it.
One thing our football program could learn from baseball. And that's attention to detail. Our baseball program is far, far, far superior to football in that regard. There is also a major emphasis on recruiting in baseball. Football looks for recruiting stop gaps. And then makes excuses for failures. I remember Cohen when he would miss out on a recruit he would keep a notebook and write down why that player didn't choose MSU. That allows for trends to show up if there are any. And more importantly makes it easier to correct them. Ever heard of a MSU football coach doing that? Maybe it does happen but I haven't heard about it. There is a reason why our baseball program finished dead last and next to last in back to back years and has still pulled in top 5 recruiting classes for this year and next year. When there is an issue baseball deals with it. Football brings back Coleman Hutzler. There's your difference.
It's not about fans pulling in the same direction. It's about getting shit done.