Downgrading arnett seemed impossible

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

You can blame Mullen, Moorhead, Leach, Arnett, Lebby, Brad Peterson, Steve Campbell, Will Friend, Kevin Barbay, Dave Emerick, Matt Dudek, Keenum, boosters, or whoever the hell else you want to blame and you would probably be right to a certain extent on each one of them. But everyone is missing who this blame should always fall at the feet of....John Cohen. He backstabbed a lot of people to get the AD job and then gutted the program of any hype the minute he walked in the door so he could move it all to baseball. Hell he hired a philanderer to be his replacement just so he could have a plan so he could get the AD job. Had he done any digging into Cannizarro's past that stuff would've come out. And I like Andy btw. Still do. Think he's a hell of a baseball coach and a hell of a recruiter. Not the best human, but a fun guy to have a few drinks with. He was late to NIL because he tried to make sure baseball had the only NIL. Hell he actively fought against the Bulldog Initiative until he realized that the baseball team would suffer if he didn't let it succeed. This guy single handedly tried to gut the athletic dept FOR 17 BASEBALL. A sport that runs at near deficit or deficit every year. I understand we have passionate baseball only fans, but even they know what pays the damn bills. John Cohen will go down as the worst AD of our time. And yes, that includes Larry Templeton.

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YUP, amen and pass the Tylenol.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

But we did. Fire everyone.

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We are paying now for the damage Arnett's dumbass did to this program.

I remember someone saying we offered Dan more money to stay but he still left. I'm curious how much more we offered. We should've dang near let him name his price to stay here.

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Originally Posted by Matt3467

I remember someone saying we offered Dan more money to stay but he still left. I'm curious how much more we offered. We should've dang near let him name his price to stay here.

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We did basically tell him to name his price

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Originally Posted by Matt3467

I remember someone saying we offered Dan more money to stay but he still left. I'm curious how much more we offered. We should've dang near let him name his price to stay here.

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We offered to put him in the top 5 in terms of salary. He just did not want to work with Cohen. He told us in October of 17 that the 17 season would probably be his final year in Starkville. I mean people still get irrationally mad at Stricklin for "stealing" him from us. Hell he was going to Tennessee if Florida wouldn't have swooped in at the 11th hour. He had already talked with Peyton Manning on Tuesday of that week and had a meeting scheduled with Currie over the Thanksgiving weekend to iron out the details. I knew walking in to Davis Wade on that Thursday night of the Egg Bowl that Mullen was coaching his last game in Starkville.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We offered to put him in the top 5 in terms of salary. He just did not want to work with Cohen. He told us in October of 17 that the 17 season would probably be his final year in Starkville. I mean people still get irrationally mad at Stricklin for "stealing" him from us. Hell he was going to Tennessee if Florida wouldn't have swooped in at the 11th hour. .

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This wasnt the case. Mullen and Cohen are actually big buddies.

Mullen was trying to leave Starkville the whole time he was here but especially after 2014 on.

Mullen talked to Tennessee twice, Miami twice, Minnesota, Maryland, and then finally Florida

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Originally Posted by Coach34

This wasnt the case. Mullen and Cohen are actually big buddies.

Mullen was trying to leave Starkville the whole time he was here but especially after 2014 on.

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We'll agree to disagree on that one. They may respect each other and are cordial, but I don't think they are voluntarily ever hanging out with each other. You are right about Mullen trying to leave most years though. He was definitely especially active after 14. Actually thought he had the Miami job after the 15 season and I think the Maryland job was on the table that year or right around there as well. Was also heavily considering either the UCONN or Colorado job after 16 season.

I know he politicked hard for that Florida job each and every time it came open

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We'll agree to disagree on that one. They may respect each other and are cordial, but I don't think they are voluntarily ever hanging out with each other. You are right about Mullen trying to leave most years though. He was definitely especially active after 14. Actually thought he had the Miami job after the 15 season and I think the Maryland job was on the table that year or right around there as well. Was also heavily considering either the UCONN or Colorado job after 16 season.

I know he politicked hard for that Florida job each and every time it came open

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Foley absolutely did not want to hire Mullen. Not at all. I really wish I could have seen him having to tell the Cheerleader to call Mullen after they got turned down for the 5th time. It gave him a bad case of chapped ass

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Mullen talked to Tennessee twice, Miami twice, Minnesota, Maryland, and then finally Florida

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And had it not been for Mark Richt swooping in to take the Miami job at the last minute Mullen would have had it.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We'll agree to disagree on that one. They may respect each other and are cordial, but I don't think they are voluntarily ever hanging out with each other. You are right about Mullen trying to leave most years though. He was definitely especially active after 14. Actually thought he had the Miami job after the 15 season and I think the Maryland job was on the table that year or right around there as well. Was also heavily considering either the UCONN or Colorado job after 16 season.

I know he politicked hard for that Florida job each and every time it came open

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I thought he and Cohen had a major dust up over the Country Club. Cohen wanted Hevesy and Billy G gone.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

I thought he and Cohen had a major dust up over the Country Club. Cohen wanted Hevesy and Billy G gone.

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I never got that confirmed from anyone. I know there were more than a few people who wanted Billy gone. Hev was a huge jackass but he could develop OL like none other so he always was going to stay. And Hev's guys, the OL, LOVED HIM. They would've taken a bullet for him. Because he would've done the same for them. Now, if you weren't in that room or you were an outsider, he probably wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. I think that's why a lot of our fans didn't like him. He wouldn't BS with recruits. He would tell them what they were doing wrong. Also, he was quite prickly towards our fans.

we need another O line coach cut from the same cloth

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

We did basically tell him to name his price

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Our biggest mistake was not leaking what we were offering and making it public knowledge. Make Dan publicly turn down a top 3 salary.

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Originally Posted by Rawdawg

Our biggest mistake was not leaking what we were offering and making it public knowledge. Make Dan publicly turn down a top 3 salary.

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Well, we had dumbasses running things. They only cared about baseball.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

And had it not been for Mark Richt swooping in to take the Miami job at the last minute Mullen would have had it.

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haha yep and I laughed. Mullen had him and Manny headed to South Beach. Then Richt snaked and also took Manny. That hurt Mullen's feelings. Jackass

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Originally Posted by Pancho

we need another O line coach cut from the same cloth

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No we just need to swallow our pride and call Hev. You just do not let him recruit off campus.

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Originally Posted by Matt3467

I remember someone saying we offered Dan more money to stay but he still left. I'm curious how much more we offered. We should've dang near let him name his price to stay here.

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Good lord, he wanted greener pastures to win a NC. He was rich and knew he couldn't do it at State so he left for UT, er... I mean UF (would've left for either... with his BEST State team returning). And don't bring up the fluke 2014 year... we were equally as bad at the end of the season as we were good at the beginning and mediocre in the middle.

And do yourself a favor and look through the archives of ED. You'll find that by 2016, the majority posting on here were ready to part with "Mr. win 4 OTC games and beat up on Vandy & UK". He was thought of as an underachiever with a "country club" coaching staff that hated recruiting. Oh, but revisionism is alive and well on ED.

ETA... "Good Lord" wasn't just meant for your post, but the plethora of one just like yours.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

No we just need to swallow our pride and call Hev. You just do not let him recruit off campus.

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What's Hev doing now? I thought I heard he was coaching high school.

Hev was working at Home Depot last I saw