A meeting of the elders - NIL

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Originally Posted by oildawg

gtowndawg - I think you are exactly right. I was at the Arizona State game, in row 2 - and was able to watch Lebby's reaction during the game. I was really impressed with his demeanor, and who he spoke with - how he approached players in the right way. I left the game thinking, we've got a great coach - we need to give him the NIL to compete.

If you normalize things like talent evaluation, I wonder how much it would cost to land a competitive SEC roster. There's probably a cost for lower tier talent, middle tier and top tier. Believe Ohio State was noted for having a $20 million roster - and they're in playoff contention. I don't have any inside information here - but could $10 million buy us at least a middle tier roster? One way to get there is for 1000 fans (maybe top 1000 Bulldog Club members) to donate $10,000 to get to $10 million. Or, 10,000 fans to give $1000...... Or any type of combination like that.....

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$10 million would buy you a playoff berth out of all likelihood. From what I've heard, again take it fwiw, but our NIL for football is around 8 mil. OM is between 10-12, Bama and Georgia are in the high teens, and LSU is between 12-15. Everyone else is around us so getting the right players at our current level would help us.

That's why getting say 30K to donate just $10/month could put us in that playoff contention race. I mean that extra amt would've had us in the Cam Ward sweepstakes. It probably would've been enough to throw so much at Gabriel that he would've been stupid to not come here, we were his highest offer btw. But that's the difference.

If they want to take portions of my BDC fees and put that to NIL I have no problem, if they want to take parking pass fees or season ticket holder fees and put that to NiL I am fine with that too. However I will not give a single penny directly to NIL…… just my 2 cents. I know I am not alone on this either, everyone in the stands seated around me, one of them has been a ticket holder since ‘64 completely walk away if NIL is mentioned. I actually know a guy who got out of his seats and BDC due to todays state of collegiate athletics. He said he makes a one time donation a year to AG dept now with that money.

However, if they were to do that with season tickets, the proceeds for those tickets better go to that sport. I have ST to football, m and W basketball and baseball. Those funds should not go to just football.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

It's not one cherry picked outlier. It's happening in all 3 sports

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it doesn't matter, that is a completely separate issue. Having more money in the NIL fund will equal more and better talent on campus. Starkville being located in Tampa Bay also would equal more and better talent on campus. They are separate issues that need to be bifurcated out. Saying you won't donate to NIL because it doesn't matter, kids won't come to Starkville is not the right way to tackle this issue.

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Originally Posted by MoreCowbell

Serious question, if I gave 25k to the NIL fun tomorrow what tangible difference could I see that I made?

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you most likely can add some stipulations at that point. If you said i will give you 25k but I want it to go to a HS DL recruit, I imagine they would make that happen.

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

If they want to take portions of my BDC fees and put that to NIL I have no problem, if they want to take parking pass fees or season ticket holder fees and put that to NiL I am fine with that too. However I will not give a single penny directly to NIL…… just my 2 cents. I know I am not alone on this either, everyone in the stands seated around me, one of them has been a ticket holder since ‘64 completely walk away if NIL is mentioned. I actually know a guy who got out of his seats and BDC due to todays state of collegiate athletics. He said he makes a one time donation a year to AG dept now with that money.

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But they can't do that at the present moment. It's illegal. So I guess my question is, why would you be ok with them doing it but are so against doing it yourself? I'm genuinely curious. And I think you and I have had this conversation before in another thread: I am ok with you not supporting NIL. It is your decision completely. You seem very passionate in your arguments against it.

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

However, if they were to do that with season tickets, the proceeds for those tickets better go to that sport. I have ST to football, m and W basketball and baseball. Those funds should not go to just football.

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I wouldn't have a problem doing that with football and men's basketball because they turn a profit. However, baseball barely brakes even(and sometimes doesn't) and women's basketball loses around 2 mil a year. Should season ticket proceeds for those sports SOLELY go to those respective sports or should some come back to the two sports who pay for everything else at the university. I'm not saying none of it goes to those sports, but I don't necessarily think all of it should go to the sports that lose money.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

But they can't do that at the present moment. It's illegal. So I guess my question is, why would you be ok with them doing it but are so against doing it yourself? I'm genuinely curious. And I think you and I have had this conversation before in another thread: I am ok with you not supporting NIL. It is your decision completely. You seem very passionate in your arguments against it.

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As I have said numerous times before, I personally get something out of my tickets. My kids do as well, my grandkids will as well. So my “bending” here is solely due to my seats and tickets not changing. If I have that money to NIL, instead of my seats, then I am giving up the ability to have my grandson sit in the seat that his great grandfather sat in during his time with those seats. Those seats have become a “legacy seating” for my family. I look forward to the coming games with them. I already give way too much money now to keep those seats due to RSD. I won’t be giving it to a kid that may or may not even be on the team 1 year from now.

Call me selfish if you like but I get something out of where my money is currently going, I got a T-shirt and hat when we won the national championship in baseball….. I have plenty of hats and shirts, only a five seats that have any meaning to me. Hail State

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I wouldn't have a problem doing that with football and men's basketball because they turn a profit. However, baseball barely brakes even(and sometimes doesn't) and women's basketball loses around 2 mil a year. Should season ticket proceeds for those sports SOLELY go to those respective sports or should some come back to the two sports who pay for everything else at the university. I'm not saying none of it goes to those sports, but I don't necessarily think all of it should go to the sports that lose money.

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However without that said sport, State would not have gotten that money to begin with….. I know an older couple that ONLY have season tickets for women’s basketball, so you’re saying that their money for those seats should not go to women’s basketball but to another sport that those ST holders don’t even support?

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

As I have said numerous times before, I personally get something out of my tickets. My kids do as well, my grandkids will as well. So my “bending” here is solely due to my seats and tickets not changing. If I have that money to NIL, instead of my seats, then I am giving up the ability to have my grandson sit in the seat that his great grandfather sat in during his time with those seats. Those seats have become a “legacy seating” for my family. I look forward to the coming games with them. I already give way too much money now to keep those seats due to RSD. I won’t be giving it to a kid that may or may not even be on the team 1 year from now.

Call me selfish if you like but I get something out of where my money is currently going, I got a T-shirt and hat when we won the national championship in baseball….. I have plenty of hats and shirts, only a five seats that have any meaning to me. Hail State

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That makes complete sense and I see where you are coming from. You want to get something out of your payment. Do you think us doing something like an annual BI Summit or getting gear would convince you to give. Like let's say if you give $50/month for the year then you'll get a BI quarter zip in December and a BI polo in August? This is something they have looked at doing

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

However without that said sport, State would not have gotten that money to begin with….. I know an older couple that ONLY have season tickets for women’s basketball, so you’re saying that their money for those seats should not go to women’s basketball but to another sport that those ST holders don’t even support?

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No I'm saying ALL the money wouldn't go to that sport. For example, 80 cents of every dollar would go to women's basketball. Then 15 cents to football and 5 cents to men's basketball.

Me personally, no. But I do think you will get some people to look at NIL differently. I think that if you could somehow legally utilize RSD or any of the administrative fees associated with season tickets which there are many, and took those fees (fund) and put it to BI or something of the like, it would be universally accepted because it is not costing the average fan more money to contribute to just buying players for a year or so.

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Originally Posted by Bert Stare

I love MSU football, but I will never give a dime to NIL. Every extra cent I earn goes to help out either people waiting for organ transplants or people traveling to become living donors. Many of you give to similar situations with St Jude or just your neighbor who needs medical bill help. We have collectively lost our way for humanity when you are shaming others into giving money to a teenage athlete so he can get the more premium package on his dodge hellcat.

I don't give a damn if we go 2-10 every year. I ain't ever giving to NIL. biggest scam with the absolute least in return you can find.

Help people who actually need it.

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Best post I've read from you. I agree with you as well.

I enjoy MSU football, and it's been great following it for the past 3 decades. I don't think asking the fanbase to fund this ridiculous system and then ostracizing those that don't by saying they've forfeited their right to an opinion on the team is right. These kids are given so much already, and I'm expected to pay for them to live a luxurious college lifestyle or our team is going to suck. I realize this is happening everywhere and if we were all LSU fans I doubt we'd be commenting on a thread like this but for MSU even if we field a team for the next 100yrs and things don't change this is a death nail.

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

Me personally, no. But I do think you will get some people to look at NIL differently. I think that if you could somehow legally utilize RSD or any of the administrative fees associated with season tickets which there are many, and took those fees (fund) and put it to BI or something of the like, it would be universally accepted because it is not costing the average fan more money to contribute to just buying players for a year or so.

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And look I do not like this just as much as some who are vehemently against it. I mean I worked in college to have some extra money on the weekends, granted it was an on campus office job so I was not roughing it by any means. But I am not crazy about the idea that I am basically just funding a football player’s off campus condo. But I know if I do not do that, then some fan of a rival school will. And I am not giving the amount of money that makes any sort of tangible difference but I know that there are 1000s that give what I give so I see it as doing my part.

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Originally Posted by Matt3467

Best post I've read from you. I agree with you as well.

I enjoy MSU football, and it's been great following it for the past 3 decades. I don't think asking the fanbase to fund this ridiculous system and then ostracizing those that don't by saying they've forfeited their right to an opinion on the team is right. These kids are given so much already, and I'm expected to pay for them to live a luxurious college lifestyle or our team is going to suck. I realize this is happening everywhere and if we were all LSU fans I doubt we'd be commenting on a thread like this but for MSU even if we field a team for the next 100yrs and things don't change this is a death nail.

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I actually understand where StarkVegasSteve and the others are coming from in that if we don't support NIL, then some other school will. I just can't wrap my head around how this became all on the fans to financially support. I am all for paying the players and even them getting rich. I am not for the fans footing the bill when we are fleeced enough already. With the TV money and the profits MSU makes on games, I see zero reason for me to move my expendable income from stuff that actually matters into stuff that doesn't.

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Originally Posted by Bert Stare

I actually understand where StarkVegasSteve and the others are coming from in that if we don't support NIL, then some other school will. I just can't wrap my head around how this became all on the fans to financially support. I am all for paying the players and even them getting rich. I am not for the fans footing the bill when we are fleeced enough already. With the TV money and the profits MSU makes on games, I see zero reason for me to move my expendable income from stuff that actually matters into stuff that doesn't.

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Well said….

I know for fact that back in the day of college recruiting when payments to the players were under the table that most of the time that money went to the player’s/recruit’s parents, grandparents or whoever their person directing that kid. The reason I know this is because I was approached multiple times to donate to this slush fund. I was told who it was going to and how much. That’s why the Cam Newton money was being asked for by a person in the Cam Newton camp/crowd. Yes the money that was eventually paid by Auburn and was donated to Cam’s dad’s church so as to leave no money trail to Cam.

But back in those days I knew of one high profile recruit that we bought. The money actually went to the recruits momma and it was in the form of a whole house full of new furniture. While the bears up the hwy were doing the same except they were giving recruits momma’s houses to live in and giving relatives of players jobs at the school. The bears have always been way ahead of us buying players.

I didn’t donate then because I thought it was slimy and foolish to give my hard earned money to kids that it didn’t even know. Plus I had my own kids to give money to. Two which graduated from State and another attended. Now my kids (5) are grown, I’m retired and have grandkids (9) to give money to. One grandkid is a cheerleader at State and she is in constant need of money because of cheerleading for our great university, school work (presidents list) and no time for part time job. Yes a member of the Bulldog club and season ticket holder for more years than I can remember.

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Originally Posted by Bert Stare

I love MSU football, but I will never give a dime to NIL. Every extra cent I earn goes to help out either people waiting for organ transplants or people traveling to become living donors. Many of you give to similar situations with St Jude or just your neighbor who needs medical bill help. We have collectively lost our way for humanity when you are shaming others into giving money to a teenage athlete so he can get the more premium package on his dodge hellcat.

I don't give a damn if we go 2-10 every year. I ain't ever giving to NIL. biggest scam with the absolute least in return you can find.

Help people who actually need it.

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Well said. I feel exactly the same.

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Originally Posted by Bert Stare

I actually understand where StarkVegasSteve and the others are coming from in that if we don't support NIL, then some other school will. I just can't wrap my head around how this became all on the fans to financially support. I am all for paying the players and even them getting rich. I am not for the fans footing the bill when we are fleeced enough already. With the TV money and the profits MSU makes on games, I see zero reason for me to move my expendable income from stuff that actually matters into stuff that doesn't.

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Hey that we can agree on. I think it's asinine that the fans are being asked to fully fund this when the university is making money hand over foot in terms of ticket sales, BDC donations, tv contract money, etc. It needs to be fixed so that the universities are the one's footing the bill. I feel like the second that happens, a lot of this will be reigned in. However, we can't die in the meantime of that happening.

I don't know how many of y'all are season ticket holders in MSU sports as geography may prevent attendance but contributions are generously made anyway. My famiy members are in the 6th decade of being season ticket holders (8 to 12 tickets over the years, 8 now) in FB. Bulldog Club fees (seating fees per season ticket), to buy the tickets are north of $5K, along with 2 parking passes. Unless it has changed BC fees pay for the scholarship costs of all MSU "student athletes" (a real joke now in major sports) and help supplement coaching salaries among other costs. After watching a rookie HC (but I think Lebby can turn things around, a rookie DC ( jury out on him, 3-3-5 for 3 1/2 quarters while giving up 8 or so ypg), lack of talent & little depth in the DL, & a portal OL that is not up to SEC standards, I told my MSU son I was cancelling my NIL today. After cooling off, I will let it ride a while longer. I have also received nothing from the BI but an email that my credit card account has been debited or my enrollment continued. I understand info being kept close to the vest or our opponents could use our financial position against us. Without Charlie Winfield we would be in a real mess. It does bother me in these threads to see posters telling other MSU fans how to spent their $ in these NIL/Portal years, even Pro athletes. All should do what they want and choose. BTW, when joining the BI, you can designate the % you want to any sport. I chose FB, 100% (pays all the bills except mens basketball). Hail State! My 6-6 floor, 7-5 ceiling has quickly changed to 3-9 floor & 5-7 ceiling unless we get things together quickly.