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Originally Posted by shoeless joe

Go back and read my post. The "decision" I'm talking about is who/whether to pinch hit with a lead. Who/whether to make a defensive replacement. Bringing in a bad pitcher in a tough spot when you have a better option would absolutely be on fredi. Which is why I questioned one such move in the San Fran series. Fredi's issue is he doesn't have any choice when it comes to the pen. Other than grilli they all suck and are inconsistent. So take your hypothetical bull shit that has nothing to do with what I was talking about somewhere else.

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you don't make a pen decision assuming your bullpen is infallible, so i have no idea what you are blathering about. subbing Gomes out for a better defensive OF is either smart or dumb. everyone, except Fredi, agrees it is smart. yet here you are pissed that people criticize him for continuously repeating that mistake.

and then you say something else stupid. a bad pen can be managed into being mediocre or horrible. Fredi manages it to horrible. he DOES have a choice when it comes to the pen. he can use his closer earlier in the game, he chooses not to. he could not trot out his only leftie for a random out at the end of the 6th with no one on. he chose not to. did you see his quote after the game? something like he's "trying to find a series that works". he flat out stated he is trying to remake a flowchart, this guy in the 6th, this guy in the 7th, etc. and this isn't new, he ALWAYS tries to manage the bullpen that way. who the hell tries to manage a bullpen that way? who the hell WANTS a manager that thinks a bullpen should be managed that way?!! who the hell DEFENDS keeping a manager that wants to manage a bullpen that way?

Fredi making a questionable move before the game even starts tonight. He's starting uribe at 2b. Uribe has played 2b (4 years and many lbs ago). Ciriaco had 2 hits including a double and played solid defense last night at 2b.

So we have major defensive question marks at 3b (Johnson), 2b (uribe), and lf (Gomes) for a pitcher (teheran) that's been struggling. I hope this works out, but I have major concerns

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Peraza - 6th
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Right-handed reliever David Aardsma has signed a Minor League deal w/ the Braves. He'll join Triple-A Gwinnett tomorrow.

Teheran hitting 93 in 1st inning. Apparently Julio's velocity problems have been him throwing 2-seamer too much.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Teheran hitting 93 in 1st inning. Apparently Julio's velocity problems have been him throwing 2-seamer too much.

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Whoever suggested he use a 2-seamer should be shot. He's a strikeout pitcher with power stuff. Don't reinvent the wheel. Let him be who he is.

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

Whoever suggested he use a 2-seamer should be shot. He's a strikeout pitcher with power stuff. Don't reinvent the wheel. Let him be who he is.

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Definetely looks like the old Teheran so far. Would be extremely pleased if he keeps this up

Teheran looks great thru 3. If he's back, this could be a good team assuming we sure up the pen some

Maybin now hitting .286 with 26 rbi's and player great defense. Is this guy finally living up to his billing as a young player?

With Maybin (28), Mallex smith (AA), and now peraza (AAA) playing cf, cf is becoming a position of strength

I was ready to come on here and say that fredi did a good job tonight, but...

Teheran had sit 12 down in a row, but gave up 2 seeing eye singles with 1 out and fredi pulls him... Johnson gives up both runs. Teheran still had good velocity. It was just bad luck on balls finding holes. All of the 12 outs in a row were on the infield... Teheran could've got the DP. Oh well, let's win this

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I wouldn't say Julio Teheran was too happy about leaving, and now the score. #Braves

Bottom 8th with runner on 1st and Gomes up. Gomes is hitting .176 against rhp. Peterson, AJ, terdo and Cunningham all available. Fox announcers questioning letting Gomes bat. Gomes k's of course

Bethancourt with walk off hr. 3 hits tonight with 2 rbi's. Great night kid. Please start em tomorrow fredi

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Bethancourt said Seitzer told him to look for a slider or cutter away. #Seitzed

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I was ready to come on here and say that fredi did a good job tonight, but...

Teheran had sit 12 down in a row, but gave up 2 seeing eye singles with 1 out and fredi pulls him... Johnson gives up both runs. Teheran still had good velocity. It was just bad luck on balls finding holes. All of the 12 outs in a row were on the infield... Teheran could've got the DP. Oh well, let's win this

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I agree. I think he should have left Teheran in and let him work through that. The bullpen is too much of an adventure, and Julio was only a shade over 100 pitches at that point. I think Teheran was also kind of shocked that Fredi was going to the pen in that situation.

The Braves are fortunate that Bethancourt decided to hit his first MLB HR, an opposite field shot at that, to win the game in walk off fashion. If the Braves had not scored, there is no doubt that that would have lost with them using both Grilli and Johnson by that point.

You know, there are times where Christian Bethancourt flashes the ability that excited the scouts when he was coming up through the system. He has never done anything consistently, but he is very athletic and has a quick bat. His career has been one where he takes a while to get adjusted to a level. This is still a 23 year old prospect at this point.

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Originally Posted by BoomBoom

you don't make a pen decision assuming your bullpen is infallible, so i have no idea what you are blathering about. subbing Gomes out for a better defensive OF is either smart or dumb. everyone, except Fredi, agrees it is smart. yet here you are pissed that people criticize him for continuously repeating that mistake.

and then you say something else stupid. a bad pen can be managed into being mediocre or horrible. Fredi manages it to horrible. he DOES have a choice when it comes to the pen. he can use his closer earlier in the game, he chooses not to. he could not trot out his only leftie for a random out at the end of the 6th with no one on. he chose not to. did you see his quote after the game? something like he's "trying to find a series that works". he flat out stated he is trying to remake a flowchart, this guy in the 6th, this guy in the 7th, etc. and this isn't new, he ALWAYS tries to manage the bullpen that way. who the hell tries to manage a bullpen that way? who the hell WANTS a manager that thinks a bullpen should be managed that way?!! who the hell DEFENDS keeping a manager that wants to manage a bullpen that way?

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Not real sure what you're even saying other than you think fredi sucks. I'm not going to defend fredi, although I've somehow been labeled as his defender, I will say that he has only 1 reliable option in the pen. I will also say that I've heard folks complain about him over using pen guys early, and now people bitch when he mixes it up. So I've come to this conclusion...folks who want fredi gone are going to pick apart every decision even when it's not ultimately on him...which is the case with the pen. AGAIN I will say that I don't think a change would be a bad thing IF a better replacement is lined up, but let's only blame fredi for what's on him. A shittastic bullpen with no good option to get consistent 7th-8th inning outs isn't on him.

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Banuelos tonight...
7.0 ip 3 h 0 er 3 bb 7 k

He hasn't given up more than 1 er in his last 7 starts. With him on an innings limit, should we call him up to pitch out of the pen?

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Banuelos tonight...
7.0 ip 3 h 0 er 3 bb 7 k

He hasn't given up more than 1 er in his last 7 starts. With him on an innings limit, should we call him up to pitch out of the pen?

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I wouldn't. I would let him continue to start at AAA and shut him down when he hits his innings limit. Let him compete for the 5th starter's spot in spring training next year or try to convert him into a lefty reliever.

Right now, going into next season, I think Shelby Miller, Julio Teheran, Mike Foltynewicz, and Alex Wood are givens. Manny Banuelos, Matt Wisler, and Williams Perez are the main guys for the 5th spot. Of course, Mike Minor will be back if he isn't traded this off season.

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Manny Banuelos moved to 5-0 after a 7IP 3H 3BB 7K performance. He's given up 4 ER in his last 7 starts combined.