If I remember right, I think they’re going to have to pay that money back at a later date, which will just put them in another bind at that time. Just no easy way out of this I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
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If I remember right, I think they’re going to have to pay that money back at a later date, which will just put them in another bind at that time. Just no easy way out of this I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
They would only need to pay the tax's and they can spread that out over three years. It is not a loan it is a withdraw. Now would be a good time to convert your traditional IRA to a Roth. Pension plans do not allow withdrawal, only loans but there are so few pension plans. Profit sharing plans do allow both loans and withdrawal. This 401k"s Esop and several others. Now Annuities, IRA, Roth Simple and Sepp only allow withdrawal. Withdrawal do not have to be paid back only loans. My understanding is the waiver of penalties and the spreading of taxes over three years only applies to withdrawals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joebob
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I believe we are officially at Italy's level now
Good. We're closer to the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
So.... now US Health officials are projecting 100,000 - 240,000 deaths????? That's a huge jump from the 4,000 we have currently.
Oh..... and the virus can be spread very easy. But mail and take out food is safe. *****
It's going to get worse before it gets better. A week ago, we had 900 total deaths. Then yesterday alone we had 900 deaths. That will continue to go up for at least a few weeks. We have 4000 total deaths right now, I don't think 4000 per day is out of the realm of possibility in the near future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen
Italy is at 206 deaths per million, which is tops in the world. For us to get to 100k deaths, we'd have to get to 305 deaths per million; this is 48% worse than Italy at the present. To get to 240k deaths, we'd have to get to 734 deaths per million; this is 256% worse than Italy at present.
Exactly. So what is the point of the US health officials and the White House announcing those numbers last night? To make people take this more serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
What’s the thought with Italy? Are they just peaking on daily deaths? If so, is it legitimate to expect their deaths per million to end up 2x what it is now?
They also said it was going to take three weeks for the military medical ship to arrive in New York. It was there like in 7 days. I think they are over stating things on purpose to cover their asses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen
Yeah, it looks like they're peaking. Probably be a couple more weeks before the death numbers start falling. I think they will probably be 2x by the time the numbers start falling. Then there will be thousands more deaths on the decline of the slope.Quote:
Originally Posted by turkish
136 new cases and 2 new deaths in MS.
That's a total of 1073 cases and 22 deaths. Mortality rate for MS is 2%.
We are projected to have that many deaths BECAUSE people are not taking this seriously, Including several on this thread....Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen
We are a couple days away from Louisiana overloading Ventilators....
That's when the deaths spike...
The way we are doing this is so dumb. We need to be performing mass screenings of people. That way, we can just isolate those people for 2 weeks, and we can slowly return to work soon. Screen everyone in nursing homes, grocery store workers, ect. All of the high risk people. When they come up positive, take them out of circulation, so they don't become super spreaders. That's basically what South Korea did, and they are opening back up. We are just sitting around at home with no end in site.
Sadly, those projections are "best case" scenarios (according to the models) if we do our very best, in terms of mitigation.Quote:
Originally Posted by SheltonChoked
Yep, apparently the US could possibly have 1.5 million deaths from this as worst case scenario. Somehow, with our healthcare system and resources we are going to be 100x worse off than any other country in the world and about 20x's worse the entire rest of the world combined.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
A couple of stats I would like to see. How many deaths have had underlying health issues
Also, how many in NY would have survived had they been administered the malaria treatment
Total cases is a bad way to compare. Cases per/capita is better, but even then it's dependent on how many get tested and if the numbers are fudged. I don't believe the numbers from China or India. I think the Chinese are just lying. Most of the other countries even close to our size have very poor health systems and are only testinga very small fraction of the populationQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
They are getting it. People in Mississippi are getting it. It's not a cure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgfan77
1. We have worse access to healthcare, especially in rural areas, than most of the other developed countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
2. We are doing the least, behavior wise, to curb the growth. It will keep getting worse and worse until we have nationwide shelter in place and mass testing.
There's a Social Distancing Scoreboard available now that uses GPS data to figure out how well we're social distancing by state and county:
https://www.unacast.com/covid19/soci...ing-scoreboard
Not surprisingly, Mississippi gets a D-
How often do we screen people? I could be exposed, test negative, and then be positive tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg2003
Again, that's not the mortality rate. That's only of those lucky enough to get a test and actually be reported. The criteria for testing prevents a true mortality rate.Quote:
Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg
Did they get consent to track people's cell phones?Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
The four hospitals I deal with in central MS thought this week would be a huge week numbers wise for their facilities. They've been surprised by the low numbers to this point.
They just buy it from your telephone providerQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
That might have worked at the very beginning, but there were way too few kits. It’s too late to try that approach now. Also, S. Korea was much more transparent with sharing their test results with the general public. The local, state, and federal governments in the U.S. still haven’t figured out how important that is. Hell, here in Dallas, they didn’t even publicize that a restaurant worker had tested positive, so they had no way to notify some of the customers that they might have been exposed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg2003
The healthcare system is not at fault here. No one would, or could, afford to keep up a healthcare system that had enough ICU beds, ventilators and healthcare workers to treat 2% of the population over a couple of months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
Our slow response, Dumbass politicians saying Old people want to die (thanks TX Lt Governor), and "ain't nobody gonna tell me what to do" attitude kept it spreading for weeks longer than anyone else so far.
18 states, including Florida, have not announced lockdowns to prevent the spread...
The ONLY country proven to have contained the outbreak so far is South Korea. They tested ~0.7% of their population, and did strict isolation of those infected and quarantine of those in contact with anyone infected. And it still took a month, and a spread to ~10,000 cases to turn the tide...
For the US to test that many people, is 2.5 million tests. They started this testing when they had 30 cases. We have almost 200,000, and have not begun anything close to that level of containment. And Therefore need to test closer to 10% of the population to track and trace. That's ~36 million tests, or 36x what we have done so far.... We have ramped up, so far to ~100,000 tests per day.... Having a blood antibody test will help speed this up.
This is what our month delay cost us.
Good one.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
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That's cool data, but I'm not sure how helpful it is, especially comparing between states and between rural and urban areas. The people I know are still moving around a lot while still social distancing. As opposed to say a 7 mile round trip commute, they might take several walks a day, including one that involves getting in the car and driving to a non-crowded place that is better for walking. Or they might ride their bikes for a ten mile ride, or for people lucky enough, get in boats and ride. That probably all washes out some in the aggregation as there are probably lots of people that are social distancing by sitting on their couch and watching netflix. But not sure how you can compensate for the fact that in rural areas and even suburban areas, you can do a ton of traveling without exposing yourself or anybody else where as in urban cores, you can barely leave the apartment and you are exposing lots more people.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
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There is a whole lot of trashing the data/projections based on the way it was collected, but at the same time people using the data we have to illustrate how this is overblown. Everyone is looking for a perfect system and projection but its just not possible. What is apparent is the numbers are growing no matter how you twist it.
Some of you still haven't figured out that none of this is to PREVENT the spread of it. Not even the people pushing it are saying that. They still expect the number of people that get it to be about the same no matter what we do. What they are doing is to try to damp down the number that have at any one time.Quote:
Originally Posted by SheltonChoked
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Data shows hospital admittance in MS has been flat. It's actually down from its peak. And that's the number that really matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by chef dixon
Yep, it's gonna run it's course. I talked to a head surgeon at forrest general on sunday and he reiterated this fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Hot rumor tater tot to hold a 3:30 presser announcing statewide lockdown.
This, I believe me and Cooter must be talking to some of the same folks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
If you NEED the "malaria treatment" You are getting the "malaria treatment". But only those that NEED it. AKA THOSE IN A HOSPITAL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgfan77
Butto all those that listened to a guy touting it as a cure all that doesn't have a ****ing clue about Medical treatments of infectious diseases, YOU DON'T NEED IT.