2019 Recruiting Thread

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

So we basically have a shot at Moore and Mingo, but neither we feel great about? No shot at Ealy? And OM now has a legit shot at landing Ealy, Mingo and even Young?

Am I understanding that right?

If Ole Miss lands those 3 in their current situation, it only confirms that these kids and their families care more about getting paid a decent amount Now over a huge payday down the road. There's absolutely zero reason for Ealy & Young to go to OM...none except $. And you could really include Mingo now that RR is their OC. Recruiting is so dirty, and so confusing, and makes me hate college football a little more and more each year. The NCAA was in OM's ass two years ago uncovering lies and payouts, yet they will sign a 5 star RB over us, Clemson, and Bama? Nice job, NCAA.

Glad I didn't follow recruiting closely this year on the advice of IYOK. I'll check in late tomorrow to see who is in the final signing.

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Same shit different day. Nothing ever really changes.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

At this point, we pull both, I'll be very happy. We pull 1, and I'll probably just let it go

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My sentiments exactly...

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Originally Posted by Scared_Hitless

Lets get this Wednesday wrapped up so the fanbase can come off the ledge. Good or bad it is what it is. Recruiting is all relationships Moorhead should have more success in 2020 even if the players are not as highly rated. One thing I like with Joe so far is he has shown the ability to get Qbs which is the most important thing. Need our new WR coach to get us some studs going forward.

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Fanbase will still be on the ledge after it's over. I think a lot have lost faith in the new coach. We will see though.

As usual the narrative will be "just wait till next year because we have 'ins' with all the elite athletes in Mississippi and they love MSU and they have great relationships with our coaches" until that recruiting season gets here then the "well, but..." starts up and we get outrecruited again. So tired of this same song and dance. Mediocrity at its finest.

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Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg

Exactly.. I'll never understand why he is how he is.. but he isn't changing..

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We are all built differently emotionally. Why is Kirby Smart a wild man on the sideline Joe shows very little emotion?

I think it's best to just realize that we are all different and just to accept that it doesn't make one person better and another worse.

My guess is that you're more reserved. That's cool.

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Yeah I would love for one of the people melting to show me data as to how their melting has helped our program. There's a difference between melting and constructive criticism and/or analysis.

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This. I don't know the ins and outs of recruiting to know what the real problem is, but I've followed it enough to know that we aren't as good as others for whatever reason, yet we still compete on the field with the programs similar to ours.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

My guess is that it helps as much as it helps to bash those that melt.

Then again I may need some more data to support my theory.

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You have plenty of data to support the theory. Having zero data in melting being helpful is data to prove that it doesn't help. I just don't get why grown men act like this. They take everything OM reporters say as truth when they know it's all fabricated, then they start having estrogen parties and crying all the damn time about how bad we suck.

Nut up and stop the melt.

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Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg

Can you on the flip side show me how THEIR melting..aka...Shotgun's has hurt our program?
It's not measurable.

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That's the difference. I never said it hurt the program. I just said it didn't help. And it doesn't. So why do it? All it does is make us look bad on a public forum that is able to be accessed by recruits and coaches of other programs to use against us. We are unstable, see look how bad it is over at that program, etc. That crap has already been used against us so what does it do to benefit us to continue?

I for one do not mind that Joe is pretty calm on the sidelines, my wife on the other hand says he has no fire or passion. It doesn't bother me lets just win if Joe comes out and we suck on offense again when it matters well you gotta figure it out long term. I will be in the Dome for our opener hopefully KT and Kylin become what we thought years ago.

I think for recruiting we are always just going to be MSU, it sucks but with Bama and all the other dominant recruiters around us we will take MS kids that are fans and hope for the best everywhere else. Hell chasing Emery killed our RB class and for nothing he ended up at LSU.

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Originally Posted by Scared_Hitless

Hell chasing Emery killed our RB class and for nothing he ended up at LSU.

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Should've been obvious from the start. I said LSU the moment I saw his rating and where he was from. How many borderline 5-stars have we ever taken from Louisiana that LSU wanted from the start? Kid played us

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Should've been obvious from the start. I said LSU the moment I saw his rating and where he was from. How many borderline 5-stars have we ever taken from Louisiana that LSU wanted from the start? Kid played us

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Can't not recruit kids like this. If you don't want to compete with the big boys then we need to lower our expectations. We aren't going to get hardly any ever. But it's never wasted time when you get your name in the spotlight with big time programs on a recruit. Having a hat on a table for an elite prospect means a lot these days. And kids talk to each other.

You never know who Emery may talk to later down the road that said MSU treated him right and that might influence their decision to come to MSU.

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Can't not recruit kids like this. If you don't want to compete with the big boys then we need to lower our expectations. We aren't going to get hardly any ever. But it's never wasted time when you get your name in the spotlight with big time programs on a recruit. Having a hat on a table for an elite prospect means a lot these days. And kids talk to each other.

You never know who Emery may talk to later down the road that said MSU treated him right and that might influence their decision to come to MSU.

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We absolutely should've recruited him and others like him. Just seemed like we put way too many of our eggs in his basket. We seemed to be caught off guard once he inevitably decided to go blue blood

In regards to "killing our RB class", I am happy with Witherspoon and Walker.

I will go ahead and start the meltdown for some of you
Ealy - OM
Moore - Aub
Mingo as of right now OM and I don’t look for that to change
Emerson- Stste

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Originally Posted by msu15

In regards to "killing our RB class", I am happy with Witherspoon and Walker.

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They could end up being good. There's not 1 other sec other between them though, so you're definetely looking at them in a best case scenario

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

I will go ahead and start the meltdown for some of you
Ealy - OM
Moore - Aub
Mingo as of right now OM and I don’t look for that to change
Emerson- Stste

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Strong finish. Very strong. I don’t know why people get mad. All you can do is laugh because it’s comical at this point

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Can't not recruit kids like this. If you don't want to compete with the big boys then we need to lower our expectations.

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It seems we can either A) get solid players and a well rounded roster, or B) Go after elite our of state guys we never get and wind up with huge holes. Option C) is target elite out of state kids and get them like Bama does, but that's not something we can do. I say we should pick A), y'all cna say I'm a 'po' ole Missippi' 'tate" fan if you want too, I think it's pretty clear what reality is though.

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

You never know who Emery may talk to later down the road that said MSU treated him right and that might influence their decision to come to MSU.

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yeah but at what opportunity cost? You're right the efforts to get Emery may not be 100% wasted, but it's still far more wasted than if we'd gone after a lower target like Gray and gotten him. A missed 5*, no matter how much he loves us, will do less good for us than a low 4* that signs. Ultimately you have to spend you efforts in the way that helps the most overall. A 5* RB from Louisiana is pretty much always going to end this way.

Personally I'll be interested to see how Moorhead adjusts next cycle. Does he go after more LA kids like Emery and Alabama kids like DJ James? Or does he target the kids with no fandoms like King Ani or Eric Gray? Seems like you can have success out of state if you target guys with no college they love, but the Washington' of the world just use us and flip.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

We absolutely should've recruited him and others like him. Just seemed like we put way too many of our eggs in his basket. We seemed to be caught off guard once he inevitably decided to go blue blood

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I think it's taking our staff a little time to adjust to SEC recruiting and how to recruit at MSU. Not to be unexpected considering how much of our staff we had to replace. We are in a weird spot already in recruiting. We recruit elite players, but we have to be able to find kids that we can develop to fill the class out. Our staff hasn't had a chance to see these kids as much in person except when they were seniors. Decided disadvantage for them.

This next group of kids we should have a better handle on, but it's going to add to the difficulty because of how much this 2020 MS class seems to lack in terms of quality players. 10-15 max that could be SEC players? That's really really tough.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

They could end up being good. There's not 1 other sec other between them though, so you're definetely looking at them in a best case scenario

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That’s about the only angle we have at this point.

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

I will go ahead and start the meltdown for some of you
Ealy - OM
Moore - Aub
Mingo as of right now OM and I don’t look for that to change
Emerson- Stste

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Ouch!!