THE 2020 MSU Football Recruiting Talk Thread

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

With Heath back in the boat, we've not got 6 257 4 stars. Forbes is a composite 3 star, but 247 4 star.

We need 3-4 more for this to a be kind of class we need to take the next step.

Remember, the goal is for half our roster to be 4/5 star recruits & 9-10 per year puts you on pace for that. Meaning, we need about 40 4/5 star recruits + some grad transfers to fill in holes.

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The goal is not to have writers selected 4/5 stars on the roster. That's your desire. Let the coaches select the talent needed and trust them.

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Here's the question I have. That's 4 JUCO WR in the boat. Now I guess the common assumption is that Patterson won't be part of this class and potentially Anderson Butts. But that still begs the question how bad is our WR core after this year? I think we have some issues but 4 JUCO WR in one class? That's got to be a massive indictment of our current talent at that position.

That's the position that concerns me the most going forward. I would assume 2021 and 2022 are going to be heavy on WR and that these guys in this class will help bridge the talent gap we seem to have for the next 2-3 years. But that's got to be concerning that he feels we need that many JUCO WRs.

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There will only be 2 juco WR in this class.

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Here's the question I have. That's 4 JUCO WR in the boat. Now I guess the common assumption is that Patterson won't be part of this class and potentially Anderson Butts. But that still begs the question how bad is our WR core after this year? I think we have some issues but 4 JUCO WR in one class? That's got to be a massive indictment of our current talent at that position.

That's the position that concerns me the most going forward. I would assume 2021 and 2022 are going to be heavy on WR and that these guys in this class will help bridge the talent gap we seem to have for the next 2-3 years. But that's got to be concerning that he feels we need that many JUCO WRs.

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I think it's indicative of the type of player JoMo wants versus anything else. He knows the foundation has been laid and he can't regress waiting on high school talent that may take time to develop. That's just my opinion. However, we really do not have a lot of quality depth in the position.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

There will only be 2 juco WR in this class.

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This..... For at least the 10th time.

Here is looking at you Tyrus Wheat... pull that trigger kid..

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

The goal is not to have writers selected 4/5 stars on the roster. That's your desire. Let the coaches select the talent needed and trust them.

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Stop choosing to be stupid. Please, you're wasting hot air.

There is a mountain of information out there that says you need a roster of 50% 4/5 star players to compete for Atlanta or the national championship

So please, stop being knowingly dumb

We will definitely sign good 3 stars as well but those 3 stars need to beat out 4 stars to play.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

There will only be 2 juco WR in this class.

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Which sets things up nicely for the great 2021 WR class in Mississippi.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

The goal is not to have writers selected 4/5 stars on the roster. That's your desire. Let the coaches select the talent needed and trust them.

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Glad somebody said it

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

This..... For at least the 10th time.

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It annoys me that 247 still lists them as commits.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Stop choosing to be stupid. Please, you're wasting hot air.

There is a mountain of information out there that says you need a roster of 50% 4/5 star players to compete for Atlanta or the national championship

So please, stop being knowingly dumb

We will definitely sign good 3 stars as well but those 3 stars need to beat out 4 stars to play.

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The only dumb one is you if you're expecting Mississippi state to have 50% of the roster to 4/5 stars. There may be 8 teams in the country that can say that.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

The only dumb one is you if you're expecting Mississippi state to have 50% of the roster to 4/5 stars. There may be 8 teams in the country that can say that.

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Expecting vs hoping for are 2 different things.

I think everyone wants to know the barometer it takes to be a "contender" and that is the barometer.

If we are going to take the next step, that is the step. 10 4/5 recruits every year

And FYI, in the 2018 there were 11 teams with that profile

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Expecting vs hoping for are 2 different things.

I think everyone wants to know the barometer it takes to be a "contender" and that is the barometer.

If we are going to take the next step, that is the step. 10 4/5 recruits every year

And FYI, in the 2018 there were 11 teams with that profile

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If everyone knew the barometer then everyone would do it. Its a lot more to it than that, but I suppose as a fan thats one way to look at it. Not gonna blame you, if you listen to Bo bounds you would think 90 percent of the country should just cancel the season now. That doesnt make it right though

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Here is looking at you Tyrus Wheat... pull that trigger kid..

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He gunna do it, or what? Haha

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Expecting vs hoping for are 2 different things.

I think everyone wants to know the barometer it takes to be a "contender" and that is the barometer.

If we are going to take the next step, that is the step. 10 4/5 recruits every year

And FYI, in the 2018 there were 11 teams with that profile

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Wow...a whole 3 more teams! Guess what Mississippi state football will never be one of those teams consistently.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Wow...a whole 3 more teams! Guess what Mississippi state football will never be one of those teams consistently.

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Glad you don't recruit for us.

I don't get why MSU fans say this about their school. Makes no sense to me.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Glad you don't recruit for us.

I don't get why MSU fans say this about their school. Makes no sense to me.

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What if I were to tell you that commits, Cooley and Dolcine should be 4 star guys right now, as is..?

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

What if I were to tell you that commits, Cooley and Dolcine should be 4 star guys right now, as is..?

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Then I would say great, hopefully they have to beat out actual 4 star guys to start.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Glad you don't recruit for us.

I don't get why MSU fans say this about their school. Makes no sense to me.

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Damn bro get some common sense. No coach gives a f*** about a rating. They want football players. Ratings do not win football games. The same clowns that devalue a Mississippi kid and promote an Alabama commit. No one but a stone cold idiot would put stock in a system that broken.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Damn bro get some common sense. No coach gives a f*** about a rating. They want football players. Ratings do not win football games. The same clowns that devalue a Mississippi kid and promote an Alabama commit. No one but a stone cold idiot would put stock in a system that broken.

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Is your name Cletus & do you sell propane at the gas station?

The level of meat head you're portraying right now is egregious.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Expecting vs hoping for are 2 different things.

I think everyone wants to know the barometer it takes to be a "contender" and that is the barometer.

If we are going to take the next step, that is the step. 10 4/5 recruits every year

And FYI, in the 2018 there were 11 teams with that profile

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Holy Moly...not this type $hit yet again??

Someone probably already has a chart of this but would someone please send
out a list of all the 3 star players and on occasions players ?who could be
considered 2 stars? which we, and some other schools for that matter,
have signed over past 15 yrs.....to show how many turned out to be
great college players and made it to the NFL?

Nothing wrong with getting 4/5 star players (obviously) but we have to go
after any players who fit what our coaches are looking for.

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Originally Posted by TALL DAWG

Holy Moly...not this type $hit yet again??

Someone probably already has a chart of this but would someone please send
out a list of all the 3 star players and on occasions players ?who could be
considered 2 stars? which we, and some other schools for that matter,
have signed over past 15 yrs.....to show how many turned out to be
great college players and made it to the NFL?

Nothing wrong with getting 4/5 star players (obviously) but we have to go
after any players who fit what our coaches are looking for.

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You clearly don't understand what I'm saying

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

You clearly don't understand what I'm saying

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You have been trying so f’ing hard to be the new c34 with this topic. Give it up. No one will ever be able to replace that douche bag. And you’re too obvious.

So we get a HUGE commit from a big time WR, which is the position most on here bitch about 24/7, and all we are taking about is Star rankings...

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

So we get a HUGE commit from a big time WR, which is the position most on here bitch about 24/7, and all we are taking about is Star rankings...

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Well, it's a recruiting thread. Isn't that what we're supposed to talk about?

We've been talking about Heath for 3 years now.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Well, it's a recruiting thread. Isn't that what we're supposed to talk about?

We've been talking about Heath for 3 years now.

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Yes we need as many 4 and 5 star players as we can get. What school doesn’t.
And yes there isn’t much difference in the higher ranked 3 star players and 3/4 of the 4 star guys
Teams that don’t have the luxury of getting the bulk of 5 star players have to get lucky they don’t miss on the majority of their guys..
Can we move on now.....?

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Can we move on now.....?

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Move on to what?

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Wow...a whole 3 more teams! Guess what Mississippi state football will never be one of those teams consistently.

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I personally believe we can be slightly below that profile and still compete at a very high level because I think Mississippi recruits, for the most part, are underrated in comparison to most other States. Last year was the first year I've seen where the recruiting sites seemed to give much credit to MS HS players and that was primarily because we had a bumper crop of defensive players. If a guy performs equally as well in TX, GA or FL he seemingly will always be ranked a good bit higher than the MS kid.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

I personally believe we can be slightly below that profile and still compete at a very high level because I think Mississippi recruits, for the most part, are underrated in comparison to most other States. Last year was the first year I've seen where the recruiting sites seemed to give much credit to MS HS players and that was primarily because we had a bumper crop of defensive players. If a guy performs equally as well in TX, GA or FL he seemingly will always be ranked a good bit higher than the MS kid.

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Agreed 100%

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

I personally believe we can be slightly below that profile and still compete at a very high level because I think Mississippi recruits, for the most part, are underrated in comparison to most other States. Last year was the first year I've seen where the recruiting sites seemed to give much credit to MS HS players and that was primarily because we had a bumper crop of defensive players. If a guy performs equally as well in TX, GA or FL he seemingly will always be ranked a good bit higher than the MS kid.

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I can agree with much of this.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Move on to what?

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Not move on to - move on from. Move on from you being a f’ing broken record no one wants to hear

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Yes we need as many 4 and 5 star players as we can get. What school doesn’t.
And yes there isn’t much difference in the higher ranked 3 star players and 3/4 of the 4 star guys
Teams that don’t have the luxury of getting the bulk of 5 star players have to get lucky they don’t miss on the majority of their guys..
Can we move on now.....?

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He will never figure out what you are referring to, Ari. Some people wonder why there was another recruiting thread created.. The reason was because a few posters hijacked this thread for their own personal agenda, and you had to scroll through so much unrelated crap to get to the actual pertinent information on 2020 MSU football recruiting.

Really glad to have M. Heath back in the fold officially! Welcome back young man! The WR room just got a whole lot better. CJM is taking care of CDM deficiencies.

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Originally Posted by msbulldog

Really glad to have M. Heath back in the fold officially! Welcome back young man! The WR room just got a whole lot better. CJM is taking care of CDM deficiencies.

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Certainly glad to get him back in the committed column. I guess nothing is really 'official' until papers are signed.

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

He will never figure out what you are referring to, Ari. Some people wonder why there was another recruiting thread created.. The reason was because a few posters hijacked this thread for their own personal agenda, and you had to scroll through so much unrelated crap to get to the actual pertinent information on 2020 MSU football recruiting.

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Like you? Because that's all your post just was. A way of promoting your agenda.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I can agree with much of this.

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Then I guess the question is, you need to look back at previous rosters and see who was underrated(should have been 4* or better) and who was overrated(4*s who should have been 3* and below) to see exactly how many true 4* or better players were on our roster(because y'all agree MS players are generally ranked lower). This to me is the best judge of how someone recruited. Then you can take that data and see if we are bringing in the necessary number of 4 and 5 star players to compete against the top 10. Can't tell with Moorhead yet because of no past history. But I will give Mullen a little credit because his last couple of classes had some 3*s play like 4 and 5*s. Problem is, they were mostly defense and not balanced.

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

This..... For at least the 10th time.

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If we take 5 wrs, you think we get both Adams & walley from diberville to go with ducking, Heath, and griffin?

I really think walley is a college wr star. How do you feel about him?

Adams is now a 3 star. Seems like if we throw 30+ tds this year to convince him to come, he was commuted once before. Needs to witness us throw successfully

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Originally Posted by justwin

If we take 5 wrs, you think we get both Adams & walley from diberville to go with ducking, Heath, and griffin?

I really think walley is a college wr star. How do you feel about him?

Adams is now a 3 star. Seems like if we throw 30+ tds this year to convince him to come, he was commuted once before. Needs to witness us throw successfully

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The entire country needs to see us throw the ball successfully

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Originally Posted by justwin

If we take 5 wrs, you think we get both Adams & walley from diberville to go with ducking, Heath, and griffin?

I really think walley is a college wr star. How do you feel about him?

Adams is now a 3 star. Seems like if we throw 30+ tds this year to convince him to come, he was commuted once before. Needs to witness us throw successfully

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He seems like he may be more of a CB/KR to me.

Alright so how concerned are we that J. Brown went to the OM cookout instead of ours when he's a commit?

When did I miss Cole Smith transferring?