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I understand completely. Especially since you had a family member living his dream by playing for State and this coach ruined that experience for him and the entire family. I get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
The point is that you and others have kept trying to point out that we lack talent. I've constantly pointed out that we do have the talent and in 24 it will be more mature and ready for SEC baseball. Guys like Dohm and Holcombe being rated among the top 10 in the country just support my position.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Former player, current donor states he's been told he is staying at Stanford. No clue if he knows what he's talking about or not, but he knows more than me. Just passing along.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
Arent we going overboard just a little bit here? While Cade's Soph and Jr seasons werent successful team wise- Cade is leaving Starkville with the only national title in State history and was drafted into pro ball with a decent paycheck to get started in life. Hard to say his college experience was "ruined". Cade played in the same number of College World Series as Palmeiro and ClarkQuote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
1) nobody has said we lack talent. In fact, I've used our routine top 15 recruiting rankings against Lemo as he can't even make Hoover with said talent. He underperforms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
2) these 2 guys are not top 10 pitchers. They may have the potential to be, but they literally arent aren't top 50 right now as far as actual pitching is concerned.
3) I don't deny we'll be better next year. I deny Lemo is the best man for the job
This is so Mississippi state. Serious question, have we ever had one of these ?secret commits?, ?its coming?, ?not announced yet? things work for us in any sport?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpaceWranglerDawg
He was never secretly committed. It was known he was entering the portal. His parents, mother want him back closer. Not sure if that's what Braden really wants. We shall see. We had a really good visit w him at the cape...... obviously we want him.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEDawg
Cade loves Msu, he told scouts in High School he was going to Msu. Here is the deal, Cade missed 6 weeks of the start of his freshmen year, when he came back he did very well at the end of the season. His Junior year, he also missed a month with sickness or illness, IF he would have been healthy his entire time at Msu, I believe he would have been even better. So, he mostly pitched against Sec teams in his career. In saying this, after being out a while it akes a few games or weeks to get back in shape, his overall stats aren't all that bad considering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Very proud of him, he is such a great young man, he will be successful in whatever the future holds for him.
Ok, I'm done, LOL!
If we don't land Montgomery, I see no reason to keep Lemonis any longer.
Now that the portal thing is about wrapped, who were the secret commits?
No judgement on the rumor creator, just asking. Maybe they secretly decommited.
At least no player we wanted to keep left.
There weren't anyQuote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer
We will if we aren't in a regional in 24. Ain't happening now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
I agree - this just shows that we are dead in the water barring a miracleQuote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Well, it is not like he had quit school at Stanford and was actively searching for a new school to transfer into. It is disappointing that we had a shot at maybe landing him but we did not lose him to LSU, Vandy, UT, etc. Hard to blame Lemonis for not getting a player who just decided to stay at his present school. Had he actually transferred some other place then I would have been pissed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Fair enough on Montgomery, but it's not like he's the only good player to transfer this year. LSU got a .375 OF from Aizona, for example. And let's not get started on the pitchingQuote:
Originally Posted by State82
Oh no doubt. Just referring to Montgomery. The rest of the debacle rates about a C minus.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
One thing that bothers me in the expecting/hoping/needing theory that our young players will make a big jump up in 2024 is that the 13/12 teams who finished in the SEC ahead of us in the last two yers are expecting the same in 2024 and many made the "Honor Roll" in the portal vs the C- given above to Coach Lemonis. I too, am hoping for the best. Hail State!Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Or maybe he didn?t get asked to transfer to the school of his choice (which wasn?t State) so he decided to just stay in the land of opportunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by State82
Hmmmm. Sorry mama. Just too many things to do out here in Fruitcake Land!
Well he was asked to transfer to LSU and A&M as well as us- so not sure why you would even post that ridiculousnessQuote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
So he was ?asked? by those 3? My point was (maybe) ?State? wasn?t his school of choice. It has been pointed out that LSU has already gotten outfielders in the portal. ?Maybe? LSU has a crowded outfield and he decided not to transfer there and the other two you mentioned wanted him but he didn?t want them. Or ?maybe? (there?s that word again) his preferred destination didn?t offer him. ?Maybe? he still ends up at MSU or LSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Do you really believe what you just typed?? Are you bored? Let me just say this, whoever his preferred destination might be, they didn't say no. How bout that.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
I assume, based on the repeated use of "?" in his post, that he must be as skeptical as you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
let Lemo keep flopping around. He's a decent PR man but that's about it.
So this is the Portal Class, not counting the 3 silent commitments, as of 8/4/23
(1) RHP - Karson Ligon - JR from Miami - Was a Miami Weekend Starter and Marquee Recruit. 126 Innings of experience. Will probably be a weekend starter for us. Maybe Friday.
(2) 3B - Kohler - SR from Memphis/Oklahoma - Was an OU recruit, transferred to Memphis, better hitting and fielding than E5. Will probably start at 3B and actually has similar pre-MSU numbers as RJ Yeager and Colton Ledbetter
(3) RHP - Khale Stephen - JR From Purdue - Was a Friday Starter for Purdue. 109 Innings of experience. Showed great improvement from Freshman to Sophomore.
(4) LHP - Nate Lamb - Grad from D2 - Was a Clemson high-end recruit, transferred down to D3/JC then D2. Has been a workhorse in D2 as a starter. 23-years old with +200 innings of experience. Has dropped his K:BB ratio from 1:1, to 2:1, to 3:1. Unknown wildcard, almost like Roy Hobbs coming to save the New York Knights. Like he went to Clemson and got mixed up with Harriett Bird. Adding to the mystery, he committed when MSU had no PC.
(5) C -Long - SR from Pitt. Backup Catcher
Then 3 JC pitchers that Todd says are probably good.
Outside of the portal class but related:
(1) Lost as expected - Aaron Nixon, but not to the draft.
(2) Kept as not expected - Amani Larry
(3) No good or decent players left the program, that's very positive.
You didn?t get it either. I?m saying he may NOT want to be at MSU!Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Like the football player who made the hat pick of Florida with his mom sitting next to him wearing an ALABAMA shirt and she got mad and got up and left. I have heard that Stanford is pretty good at baseball and have witnessed that MSU sucked at it the past two years. State May not be his preference.
But here's the thing- all of this got started because he thought he may want to play closer to home, play with his buddy Hines, and his family wants him closer to home. Lemon didnt randomly pick a good Stanford OF'er to try to recruit. It's also the reason he listed "do not contact" for teams in the portal when he entered it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
Well, lost out on Holman and Montgomery too from all indications. Good news is we may still have a shot at Muscara. Yeah, maybe he can be bucket boys replacement.
Montgomery in Cape Cod
Hitting: +340 with 1 HR in 54 ABs (Hines hitting 260 and 13 HR in 150 ABs)
Pitching: 9.00 ERA in 3 Innings with 6 Walks and 6 Ks.
Yarmouth Dennis (the Hunter Hines team) plays Brewster in playoffs this weekend. The season is done tomorrow or Sunday if they lose the series. If they play on to the Championship, the season ends on 8/12/23.
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and this is why he hasnt made an announcement yet. He is on his timetable- not yoursQuote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer
And MAYBE we get Montgomery. I have used MAYBE at least a dozen times in this conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
It ain?t over til it?s over.
The fat lady hasn?t sung yet.
Baseball is 50% mental and 90% physical or however Yogi said it.
Well I haven?t figured out how this site makes quotation marks into question marks. But I am skeptical. Ever since I ran into Lemonis in a restaurant/ bar in Little Rock in fall of 2021 and asked if he was there recruiting and he said no, I?m playing golf, and then we had the 2 seasons we just had, I determined the 1 Championship was enough for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by RisperDawg
Wrong answer to that question from Lemonis. All he had to say was, "We are always recruiting no matter the time of year. Unfortunately, I cannot comment or discuss anything regarding it." When you are pulling down a mil and a quarter every year to coach baseball at this level you better at least portray the idea that you are constantly on the job in some form or fashion whether you are or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
He?s been spending a lot of time practicing for the upcoming 3-man at SCC
I bet Van Horne is always recruiting and we know that Vitello is always recruiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by State82
When you hear Van Horne talk, it's through the prism of talent acquisition. Of course, neither DVH or Vitello has a ring. Has to rip at their soul.
Nothing has changed with Montgomery. We're still where we've been the whole time. We'll find out next week.
Totally agree. It?s crystal clear he is not a ?top? recruiter. Inability to capitalize on on Nc is a glaring red flag.Quote:
Originally Posted by State82
(3) No good or decent players left the program, that's very positive.[/QUOTE]
Positive, but we had less than a handful to worry about. Woefully pathetic high school recruiting classes.
Actually he has. His 1st recruiting class (2022) after the Natty was 5th in the county. His 2023 class is 9thQuote:
Originally Posted by SPMT
Our primary leaders for 2022 and 2023 were from previous classes
I will say our pitching acquisitions out of the portal have been lacking. That's where he and his staff have failed so far
Did we recruit him out of HS? How did he end up at Stanford, academics & baseball?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot