I want Bourn in cf. Maybin has been terrible defensively and his throws are terrible. I'd start Maybin in LF unless we're planning on trading him in the offseason. I want Bourn and Mallex in cf next year
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I want Bourn in cf. Maybin has been terrible defensively and his throws are terrible. I'd start Maybin in LF unless we're planning on trading him in the offseason. I want Bourn and Mallex in cf next year
That's right they did say that. So again what is Bethancourt going to bring you really? His batting numbers are inflated by a high BABIP. And at best his defense at AAA has been mixed with reports just earlier this month that he may be improving but not by much. Including his work ethic. I think they bring him back up but I think it will be limited. You showcase his lackluster defense behind the plate and he doesn't hit (like normal for him in the majors) then you his value plummets even further.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
You can't say in one sentence you don't give up on them as starters but then demote one of them (when we have need for starters). You want to pull an older AJ, just for what reason I don't know other than Bethancourt is younger, even though he is the worse defender of the two. Just to see what the young catcher can do but you want to pull a young starter when this is the absolutely perfect time for them to be getting starts. Your logic makes absolutely no sense.
Only reason I can think is if they want Bethancourt around AJ to hopefully learn something but him not playing very often doesn't help his trade value.
Then why demote him to begin with? Why not keep him around this whole time learning from AJ? His value is pretty low but at least he has shown an offensive surge at AAA, though his numbers are inflated. If we are looking to trade in the offseason I don't think refreshing MLB scouts minds that he is basically a big arm helps. Maybe he takes a step forward but if he is the same player from earlier this season then his value drops even more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
I wanna play Bethancourt bc he may be our future or he may not, but we need to know. If we're playing for '17, what does playing AJ accomplish?Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
What does starting Jackson do for us for the future? Playing AJ is still about the better catcher handling young pitchers. I'm not saying don't give him some looks but I rather have the pitchers getting the better catcher to evaluate them properly as well. It's not like wanting to see a young position player elsewhere. Let Bethancourt catch Terehan only. Or every 7th day.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Edwin is 31 and still has good stuff. In 34.1 ip, he's struck out 27. He could be valuable as a 5th starter or as a trade piece next season. AJ is 38.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Saw this on another board and found it interesting...
Melvin JR: 102 WRC+ and 0.9 WAR in 51 games
Markakis: 105 WRC+ and 1.0 WAR in 117 games
Maybin: 107 WRC_ and 1.4 WAR in 109 games
You keep going in a circle. You want to see what a young catcher has at the expense of an inexperienced staff but use a veteran pitcher over young pitchers who need innings. His last three years as a starter has produced 4.03, 4.98, 6.33 era's. He has never been more than a possible back end/bullpen arm. Give him a spot start maybe but that makes no sense to help determine our future starters. And he won't bring back much even if he pitches pretty well. His K and Walk numbers this year are almost the same as his career totals but he is benefitting well from not having to go through a complete lineup more than once. We know what Jackson is.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I think they've already decided that Bethancourt is NOT our future.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I think you're right. I think this is why they put out that bashing bowman wrote about him. Bethancourt goes down, hits well, and has defended well, so we release an article saying his preparation sucks. Hart seems to wanna get rid of everybody wren left. Now I hear Teheran could be on the block as further evidence. Wouldn't surprise me if albies is next. I lost faith in hart after Fredi's extension and his man crush on Olivera.Quote:
Originally Posted by RocketCityDawg
Do we not know what AJ is by now? He's a very good BACKUP at this point of his careerQuote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
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Albies has ascended up the ranks from the #35 prospect to the #12 prospect according to Kiley McDaniels
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-p...ospect-update/
At 18.6 years of age, he's the youngest on the list, so who knows where he wins up as he continues to develop.
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If hart trades this kid, I'm gonna blow a gasket.
Bethancourt at Gwinnett...
.323 avg .358 obp .481 slugging .839 ops 1 passed ball caught 14 of 32 baserunners
What more does he have to do?
Good lord! You keep going in circles that make no sense. He will be handling the INEXPERIENCED pitchers. It's not just about what he can do offensively. It's about mentoring, game calling, helping the young pitchers. Totally different situation altogether.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
You think the front office needs to make up stories about Bethancourt? He wrote his own story in the games and attitude this year. He will not hit at the MLB level like his numbers are right now. He is .080 points higher in BABIP than his career numbers. You adjust that and he is at best a .240-.250 hitter. And in the majors so far he is not even a .200 hitter. But if the front office goes in a different direction he has no one to blame but himself.
You're right. Aj's presence behind the plate is doing wonders for our young starters. They've been terrificQuote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Bethancourt's career high in walks in the minors is 17 for a year. Since his demotion, he has 11. Do you not think that's a sign of a maturing hitter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Does the fact that his BABIP would put him in the top 10 in the MLB not register that his numbers are extremely inflated? He will not sustain those numbers. Now would I believe his power is starting to come? Yes. But he is not ever going to be a .300+ hitter. Maybe he is maturing, he should he is getting older and if his demotion didn't light a fire under his attitude then he may be a head case. And going back to your previous statement, if we are looking to get rid of him, why would the front office have a story manufactured that still puts him in a bad light? That makes absolutely no sense. If anything it would have me believe they may be sugar coating things with enough honesty to entice a buyer.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Btw, you're for letting wisler, Perez, and folty work out wrinkles at this level, but not Bethancourt. Here's their ages...
Folty 23
Wisler 22
Perez 24
Bethancourt 23
Why should I be patient with the starters, but not Bethancourt?
Also Bethancourt is working with who I think will be the best of the upper minor/barely mlb starters in Jenkins and doing a great job
They actually have had some good outings. The MLB hitters adjusted, they are still learning their craft, and they have to learn to adjust as well. How many hall of fame pitchers have numbers the same or worse their first couple of years? Tons. And if you think it would have been just as good or better with Bethancourt you are out of your mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
If Bethancourt can hit .250 /.320 obp with some pop and throw out runners at a high clip, I'll be happyQuote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
BECAUSE YOU NEED EXPERIENCE BEHIND THE PLATE TO HELP THEM FOR THE TENTH TIME.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I think they could learn together and get chemistry. Do you think they would be worse? They're all around the 5 era markQuote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Where would that awesome young met staff be without that crafty veteran, d'Arnaud?Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Who wouldn't? If he has actually decided not to be lazy behind the plate. But during the trading period you were pitching every idea you could think of to get Lucroy and get rid of Bethancourt. Now you have flipped the script again. If he finally develops into what the average projection has been for him then that fine, but the lazy and bad attitude stuff had better be gone and if there are any doubts with the front office I don't have a problem going in a different direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
He has played in 32 games this year. Don't know where you are going with him?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
And the Mets have one starter under the age of 25.
Harvey is in 3rd yearQuote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
deGrom is in 2nd year
Rookie starter
All young starters
Plawecki is other met catcher. 25 years old
If we can get lucroy, I'm still on thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Really... I don't even know what I'm arguing anymore haha. I'm just pissed off and want to see Bethancourt get a shot. If Bethancourt comes up and plays well, 1 of our young starters turns the corner, and Olivera plays well when he gets up, I'll feel much better about this year than I do now. I don't hate AJ either. I actually like him, but as a backup
You are comparing 2nd and 3rd year full time starters over the age of 25 with our three rookies who haven't even had half a season? Plawecki would not be there if it wasn't for an injury but he had graded much better at defense and pitch framing than Bethancourt and has a good arm himself. D'Naraud is an offensive minded catcher and was off to a an All-Star caliber start before breaking his hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Haha. Well if he does then great. I think it could give us some options, the risk is if he has not improved by much from earlier this year. But at least, if they really have doubts about him which I don't think they do, then you know you have to get a catcher somewhere. I think Olveria is going to hit pretty well. If we can get 3 good years out of him then it was possibly a really good deal considering the financials.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
If pitching for the Braves doesn't work out, folty can always pitch the homerun derby.
I hate to see how bad folty would be without AJ catching him. Season era now 5.89.
Folty season era -- 6.06
Last era with Astros -- 5.30
I just don't see him ever being an effective starter
KevinMcAlpin
Over his last 5 starts, Foltynewicz has posted a 7.67 ERA (23 ER/27 IP) with 37 hits and 9 HR allowed. #Braves down 7-0, top 6 at Wrigley.
Since Fredi's extension, the Braves record is 10-21. The Braves have lost 20 of their last 22 road games. Extending fredi was the dumbest thing ever.
It's the 1980's all over again. Time to break out that Lewis Grizzard joke about what the Braves and Michael Jackson have in common
He won't ever sniff an .070 isoOBP. I'm hoping he can hit around .270 with an OBP slightly over .300. If he can do that and slug close to .450 with his defense, that's a really good piece.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Yeah, I was planning on a lot of errors and hbp. Didn't think those numbers out too carefully hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Braves call up Bethancourt. guess they plan on keeping him.
Gomes may have earned us a decent prospect tonight. he's played well for a week or two, and has had a great night. probably the best RH bat available right now.
Nice to see Bethancourt and Teheran work well together.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Would love to move Gomes.
I'm a huge Fredi critic, but we also traded almost every player worth a damn right as we gave him the extension. Hard to blame him when we took most of the bullets out of his gun. I'd still like to see him gone, but this collapse has way more to do with a complete lack of MLB talent. We're a ****ing 4A team. And we got worse bringing up Bethancourt today.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7