I think we've got a lot of arms but little proven pitching. LH pitching is short.
We should score as much as the next team, so get that ERA to around 5 and we're good.
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I think we've got a lot of arms but little proven pitching. LH pitching is short.
We should score as much as the next team, so get that ERA to around 5 and we're good.
LHP on Roster:Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
(1) Loftin - So
(2) CJ - but RH is more advanced than LH
(3) Tapper- So
(4) Cheetham- JR
(5) Tyler Davis - SR, transfer from VCU that had a bad year
(6) Lamb - Grad from D2, career starter
(7) Dotson -FR highly rated
(8) Nolan Stevens -FR is big hitter that also pitches
(9) Dane Burns -FR
(10) Reilly Byers -FR
(11) Pico Kohn- Injury Recovery
So basically Loftin and Tapper
Nate Lamb was a pretty good D2 pitcher. Also had a decent summer as well. But yeah, Loftin, Tapper, and a bunch of freshman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I'm surprised Cheatham didn't transfer out. I don't see him ever doing much here.
We certainly could have a freshman step up and give us 10 innings in SEC play. Need 3 pen lefty's at a minimum. Got to have them step up
You almost have to figure one starter
going down to injury and 2 bullpen guys
Well I guess it is safe to say ?the_real_MSU? won?t be giving us any quality innings out of the pen, so there goes that plan. With confidence like that, best to stay in the stands and sharpshoot the kids with actual ability to be on the field (or team) and criticize them for not being any good…Enter all the sarcastricks that you want!Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
I'm holding out hope that Davis is better than he showed much of the season. He shut LSU down when he was on, scattered 2 hits over 4 innings and was cruising the whole time.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer
This is the guy that I want to see what happens with. If he has a considerable amount of improvement, Foxhall needs to go coach high school ball somewhere. Davis should have been better than he was simply because he is an older guy that has experience and surely had some success previously. At State, he didn?t just struggle in the SEC, but struggled early in the year against weaker teams that he surely showed that he could handle when he was at VCU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins
I haven?t looked up his numbers but if he sucked at VCU, how did he get to MSU? I don?t think he did.
Let me introduce you to a guy named Von Seibert lolQuote:
Originally Posted by AlSwearengen
Hailstate.comQuote:
Originally Posted by AlSwearengen
2022 (Sophomore Season – VCU)
Season: Helped guide the team to an Atlantic 10 Championship… Appeared in 17 games, including 15 starts… Compiled a 5-3 record with a 3.60 ERA… Struck out 63 batters in 60.0 innings, walking just 21 and limiting hitters to a .210 average… Struck out a career-high seven batters across four scoreless innings in his first career start against No. 24 Old Dominion on March 1.
I think, generally, if you average better than 1 k per inning and have a 3/1 K to BB ratio that's pretty good. Competition depending.
If we finish the year at #21 that's right at the borderline of firing Lemonis or not. There aren't anywhere close to 20 other programs who care as much as we do. While it's an improvement over the last 2 years, it's yet another year below what our baseline should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
That's 8th in the SEC. Nothing great about that unless there's a post season run.
"College Baseball Nation"
Never heard of them, they may want MSU's vast fanbase as subscribers
"Clicks" is probably why they put LSU as #1 and the real #1 at #7. Lots of LSU fans too.
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer
Should be enough to expect 1 or 2 to be able to step up and be that LH matchup guy that we haven't had in a while.
If we jump from 2 years of not making Hoover to finishing the year ranked #21 as a high 2 seed somewhere Lemonis will survive. It's still not where we want to be but thats a huge positive jump from where we've been.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Agreed on all counts.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
Sadly, our incoming recruiting will begin to take a dive due to those players having commited during 2 years of no Hoover vs the current incoming classes that saw us win a Natty. And in 25 we will be replacing Jordan, Hines, the new 3B transfer, Hujesak (only a loss IF he pans out like many here say), and Larry. On the mound well lose the transfers we're counting on plus a couple of the current Fr some here are expecting to be starters next year.
So, my prediction is that in '24 we'll be just good enough to save Lemo, but down again in '25 and he'll be fired then. The next coach will have to overcome a couple mediocre recruiting classes that he wouldn't have had to if we replaced Lemo in '23.
That's not necessarily the case. According to Perfect Game, our '24 class is #12 (11 commits) and '25 is #13 (9 commits). That is above mediocre - but like Football, it is behind a number of "have's" in the SEC. We will need to add to it - and there is a whole lot time between now and then. If anything, the right hire can build on that if needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
He makes the Tourney in 24 and his job is likely safe unless it’s a 3 seed somewhere and an 0-2 Tourney. The thing is- if you make the Tourney as an SEC team- there is very little chance of being a 3 seed.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
If we finish number 21 in the country as a 2 seed, which is 5 spots out of hosting, there is ZERO chance he gets canned. If you think that, well I can't help you.
Recruiting g is mostly done 2-3 years out. The '24 class commited during the NC season, the '25 was still before Lemo was truly on the "hot seat". The classes after that will be kids who looked at a team missing Hoover coached by a guy on a very hot seat and said "yeah. I want to go there". Hard to get elite players that could easily pick UF, Vandy, or Arky insteadQuote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Oh, he will. But he shouldn't receive an extension either. I think a lot has to play out. Let's see how things go. The only unknown left this off-season is Montgomery and that's probably a good situation for anyway. Looonnnggg way til spring.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
I'd say extend without any additional buyout. Just for appearances and to help recruiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Yeh, that buyout can't go up. But I wouldn't go the 4 years on it either. You want that 4 years, get us to a super. It's easy to get a 2 seed in the SEC if you make post season.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
We cant say the football polls not respecting us but then wave these around to make us feel better. There is no reason for us to be ranked.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Football amd Baseball are on completely opposite ends of the spectrum for us. We get slightly too much national attention in baseball and not nearly enough in footballQuote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
We are ranked and the Rebs are not this must be a mistake
I think that is the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Yeah, it's like we, like all schools are sky high when a commitment is highly ranked, but if we disagree or he is re-ranked lower then rankings mean nothing. Kind of like when we lose a recruit, "we didn't want him anyway".***Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Alot of these polls are looking at the number of draftable players teams have going into 24.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Absolutely will be drafted- Jordan, Hines, Loo, Holcombe, Dohm, Simmons, (Montgomery should he come aboard)- that would be 7 draftees. Tenn was 2nd in the SEC this year with 8 draftees. 3 other teams had 7- UPig, Candy, and A&M
Possible draftees- Larry, Ligon, Auger, Hugesak, Kohler
We dont lack for talent or experience going into 24. Need to land Montgomery and we should be back where we need to be
My source heard Montgomery stays at Stanford. Hope he's wrong and we get him. Hail State!
Is your source the LSU guy on Twitter? There is a video of one of their media guys saying they are done in the portal and because of that Montgomery is going back to Stanford.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
I will say, he is taking way too long and should have already announced it he was actually coming here.
I don't think he is coming to StarkVegas, I think he goes back to Stanford. I hope you sunshine pumpers are correct in saying we are going to be good once again. Things I heard from the last year doesn't give me the "ray of hope". I've never ever felt this way about baseball at Msu. But I feel really good with football and both basketball programs.
Agreed on all counts. The justified optimism for the other sports really highlights how far our baseball program has sunkQuote:
Originally Posted by basedog
And I see this baseball optimism for next as unjustified. Lemo failed epically in '22, then failed epically again in '23. "But we fired Foxhall!", "but Hines and Jordan will be studs!" Yeah, those are true. And there were good excuses made for the '21 season too: "well we got hit woth a ton of injuries, '23 will have better luck", "the team took a victory lap after winning the Natty, getting their asses kicked this year will light a fire for '23", "Lemo knows hes used up his goodwill and will work hard to fix us" etc etc. Hard not to see "Holcombe is too talented not to cut his ERA in half next year" in the same light
If he does stay at Stanford, a repeat of them losing to us in a super at Dudy would be top shelf stuff to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
I was sent a list of top 10 returning pitchers in the country for 24 based on stuff/spin rates and such.
Dohm was at 8
Holcombe was 10th
State, LSU, and Wake had 6 of the top 10 returnees
This is a possibility. A real one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
Wouldn't surprise me at all. It's taking WAY too long. Another blow to bucket boy.
Not sure what your point is. Dohm's fastball has nomovement and got hit in SEC play, Holcombe can't locate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
They're on the long list of guys who have SEC stuff, but need to improve. Obviously Holcombe more than Dohm. We simply need a very high % of our talented guys to make said improvements and that's statistically unlikely