But how many recoveries?Quote:
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But how many recoveries?Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
Edit: Actually, I'll just say around 1500 if trends continueQuote:
Originally Posted by defiantdog
MS:
84 new cases, 663 total
5 new deaths, 13 total
They released some new chart data.
All 13 deaths were > 60 years old
48% of cases are < 50 years old
1/3 of all cases have led to hospitalization
About 12% of cases in 30-49 year olds are hospitalized
20% of 50-59 year olds hospitalized
32% of 60-69 year olds hospitalized
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Those are better numbers and more on what we thought would happen. I wonder how many people have it and don't know it. Also, I'm hearing virus load may be what is making younger people sicker.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
Based on these numbers approximately .022% percent of the population of Mississippi have tested positive for Covid-19. Approximately .005% of the population of Mississippi has been hospitalized due to Covid-19. Of those hospitalized 82% of them are in the 50+ age range. 66% of them are in the 60+ age range. We were at 100+ cases on March 20th (approximately) so we are 8 days in to this. Someone else with the computational know how can plot the line graph to see where that puts us against other growth rates across the country. We've basically added 563 cases over 8 days for an average of 70 new cases per day.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
Some things I am not getting.
Fox news interviewed a doctor who works in a Brooklyn New York hospital. One of the hardest hit hospital with cases. He said this.
1. He is taking the Chorid crap they keep talking about. He says doctors take that stuff all the time to fight off virus. That tells me they know it works and they are Bull shitting us they have to test it.
2. He also said men are more vulnerable. I have heard that before.
3. Certain blood types are less vulnerable. He said O positive is the best blood to have to fight off the virus.
Now another thing. Why test for temperature? Are you only contagious when you have a fever. If not why hell does it matter if you have fever or not to go to work (S. Korea) or the White House. Either you have it or not. Either you can pass it on or not. That is what I been hearing so why check Temperature?
They know more then what they are saying.
1. They're giving chloroquine for this already. The ole miss 247sports guy in ICU is even on it. It's not approved for this usage but doctors can get around that with "compassionate usage." It may help some but it absolutely is not some miracle cure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
2. Mississippi stats show females have tested positive more often than males.
3. I've heard the blood type thing before. Could be true, don't think it's proven though.
They check temp because it's one of the early signs. You're right that you can be contagious without symptoms but you can't give a covid test to everybody on the spot, so it's better than nothing.
Anyway, not sure where you were headed with this. I'm not picking up what you're putting down.
I've heard only positive things about chloroquine so far which is encouraging. I think people are being cautious about it because since they can't do their standard years of trial research on gold standard of sample sizes on it if it turns out not to help or let's say something helps out even more then they're basically covering their asses.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
The thing is we've been using it for weeks. Yet 500 people died in the US yesterday. Maybe that would've been 1000 without chloroquine, who knows. But it's not the miracle cure some people think it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Sorry if this has already been discussed but I just read this and it struck me as interesting. I think we all believe that China under reported COVID-19 stats. The article I read said they reported 3,299 deaths as of the time of the article. Here's the interesting part, one funeral home in Wuhan received back to back shipments of 5,000 urns (two days in a row this past week). Even if 1/3 of those urns are used on COVID-19 deaths that doubles the number officially reported. Wow!
If you have any investment interests in China I'd suggest pulling out yesterday. There has been a move afoot for a while for some companies to pull out of China; this is going to kick that into overdrive.
One good thing looking at MS data: our date of symptom onset has been pretty steady for the past 6 full days of data.
In other words, for 6 days straight, about the same number of people got sick. Hopefully that number of people will not grow.
The thing with chloroquine is that there is not a treatment protocol in place for it. How many MG per dose? How many doses per day? For how long? Will it work effectively at different stages of infections, etc? Not even to mention that no one knows if it could trigger side effects that are unique to this virus and drug combo. That's why Fauci and others have said it is promising, but they don't want people randomly using it on their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
No doubt China has lied. People can blame our government for this spreading and getting out of control all they want, but the fact is if China is honest about information and the severity of this outbreak from the start, we wouldn't be in this mess now. They locked up a Doctor who was trying to warn the global community about the disease. This is what happens in communist countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Randolph Dupree
I hope this serves as a wake up call for us and the rest of the world that you don't need to become dependent on China. They're inept (f'n morons are eating bats). CNN says that 80% of our antibiotics come from China. That's unacceptable.
This is going to be the most hated post ever posted on this board.
But regarding blaming China:
"When you point your finger, you have 3 fingers pointing back at yourself"
Does this apply to Italy? Spain?Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
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Originally Posted by hacker
https://twitter.com/who/status/1217043229427761152?s=21
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Yeah, we are certainly more to blame than China. What a moronic statement #TDS
It's our fault for not being ready. South Korea was ready. Japan was ready.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
its going to hit Japan..... just a matter of time. Too many people there to contain.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
You just lost all credibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
MS update
95 new cases, 758 total cases
1 new death, 14 total deaths
The 1 new death is a 40-49 year old
138 cases in metro area
Some delta counties have a lot of cases relative to population (Coahoma has 18 cases and only 23k people)
It was a Moorhead quote too, I knew y'all would love itQuote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
Almost no one is dying in an ICU from COVID-19 in this country without being on hydroxychloroquine unless they are in an randomized controlled trial and randomized not to receive it. That does not mean it is the right or wrong thing to do for the patient. That has yet to be determined.
The issue with the Chloroquine /Zpack treatment is it will give a certain % of the population a heart attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Having a bunch of heart attacks when we are trying to figure out how to get enough ICU beds for Covid-19 is counter productive....
Now 758 cases in MS. Jump of 95 from yesterday if my math is correct.
Here's an analogy for blaming China.
There's a robber on the loose in your neighborhood. You're standing on your front porch watching him run from house to house. He gets to your house. You're still standing there watching. He robs you. You get mad and blame your neighbors for not stopping him.
We've now tested over 700k people in the US, and doing about a 90k a day. I wish we'd do a testing sample of around 10k people around the country that show no symptoms. I'd really like to know how many would test positive. Of the ones that tested positive, I'd like to watch them to see how many end up developing symptoms and how long it takes
Hacker, id add ?you first built a fence to protect your family bit the other neighbors called you racist for doing so?, then continue with your analogy.
Link for that data?Quote:
Originally Posted by SheltonChoked
100% agreedQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Heard a rumor that when people are on ventilators w/ COVID-19 that the doctors are ordered to treat them as Do Not Resuscitate. This will inevitably make the lethality be higher than it should be as it would mean we are not fighting this as best we can for every patient.
Not saying this is factual, just looking to see if others have heard similarly.
SheltonChoked is on the right track. Z-pack + hydroxychloroquine (and each one individually) does put patients at a higher risk for a potentially fatal heart rhythm (not exactly a heart attack). The risk it actually happens is quite low, but it is something to be concerned about in an already critical condition patient. But he brings up a good point: everything doctors do, even in dire situations, have risks and can make things worse. That is why its not as simple as passing out these meds to everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder
It seems they are waiting until someone is hospitalized and looking really bad before trying the z-pack/chlor. It's not a miracle drug but what it is is a prophylactic which is why doctors and nurses that are treating patients with Covid-19 are freely taking chloro. It needs to be administered to everyone that is at risk, beginning to show symptoms, etc. not as they are lying on their death bed. Don't give me crap about heart issues. Chloro was gobbled up by hundreds of thousands of US soldiers in Vietnam. Here it is verbatim by the CDC. Why are they suddenly changing their tune.
https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/resource...hloroquine.pdf
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Impossible to know every instance, but unlikely to be true. DNR ends up being way more complicated than it may seem. There are always misconceptions about what it entails and causes a lot of confusion and misunderstanding between doctors and patients/family. Going on the ventilator itself in theory goes against a general DNR order, although situations when a previously healthy loved one deteriorates are always fluid. What you are hearing would be incredibly hard to do ethically as long as hospitals have capacity. There are certainly instances where once a patient is on the ventilator and chances of recovery look pretty bad, the doctors can decide to not do any further CPR type interventions but usually will try to treat them properly otherwise. Getting to that point is not easy ethically and I would be surprised if they are already making that a blanket policy anywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
Yeah, but you know this robber because it came from your neighbor's house.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
Fair enough. Still your fault for not doing anything though.Quote:
Originally Posted by defiantdog
China did some bad things but to sit here and try to blame someone other than ourselves for not being prepared is a loser attitude.
They're even trying to help us.
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Not to mention we pulled the people who were supposed to be monitoring this kind of thing from on the ground in China. Having experts on the ground would have given us a clearer picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN21C3N5
Not arguing for or against that suggestion that more people should be on it, but it has not been validated as prophylactic (for COVID specifically) either. The doctors and nurses that are doing so are not doing it based on any concrete evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
From the article: “The problem was China, not that we didn’t have CDC people in China,” said Scott McNabb, a former CDC epidemiologist who is now a research professor with Emory University. He pointed to China’s censorship as the main culprit in the spread of the pandemic, which has infected at least 435,470 people worldwide, killed 19,598 and upended the global economy.Quote:
Originally Posted by dparker
You're worried about people having heart attacks in a country that consumes how much fast food?Quote:
Originally Posted by SheltonChoked
Worrying about the small percentage that may get an arrhythmia (not a heart attack) at the expense of thousands dying is illogical.