THE 2020 MSU Football Recruiting Talk Thread

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Completely agree. Sweat was an absolute game changer. If you can sign anyone even remotely close to his talent level out of JUCO, you do it.

I just want more class depth and production. That class is gonna have about 9-10 guys make a legit contribution. To me that's just not enough. Like I said, the Top 5 in that class are massive talents. Outside of that, Sweat is really the only one that's done anything meaningful on the field. Landrews and Cole a little. But after that, really nothing. We need the 2019 class to have about 13-15 guys make big time contributions.

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2 year starter, all SEC, all American, 1st rounder.......i agree.

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Originally Posted by Hambone

There hasn?t been one single game played yet. How are you so certain none of these players are going to contribute?

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Why don't you give me your projected 2 deep and tell me how many of those names are on there. Sure there could be surprises, but outside of Austin Williams, the majority of those guys won't see much playing time unless one or more people get hurt.

That's just how that's going to work if you look at what we are returning and what we brought in in 2018 and 2019.

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Why don't you give me your projected 2 deep and tell me how many of those names are on there. Sure there could be surprises, but outside of Austin Williams, the majority of those guys won't see much playing time unless one or more people get hurt.

That's just how that's going to work if you look at what we are returning and what we brought in in 2018 and 2019.

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That tells me we have some really good guys in front of these players.
So that’s a good thing

And on a side note.. Tyler Williams is going to be a really good player

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Haven't written them off. But how much of an impact will those guys make this year? The answer is very similar to last year. Close to zero. So they will go through their RS sophomore year with little to no impact. Other than QB, if you are worth your salt, you usually find the field and make some impact by year 3 unless you are just stuck behind a bunch of really really good guys. But even then, you can usually find the 2 deep.

I don't see that happening from anyone in this group honestly. That's concerning.

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Well Austin Williams played a good bit last year and will play this year as well. Powers Warren was one of about 12 tight ends Dan mullen signed. That’s Mullen’s fault. Odom has been sitting behind the best collection of Dline talent in college football and will still be sitting behind some of the best collection of defensive ends in football this year. Suggs is also on one of the best units on our team. We have 5 star offensive linemen sitting on the bench for this squad. I am not sure what you want out of a recruiting class but the 2017 one is probably one of our best ever outside of the 2011 one and our 2015 one.

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

Odom was an outstanding HS player. I would have signed him. As for the OL from that class, they really haven't had enough time to contribute. It generally takes longer for those guys, unless they are elite.

Dan had an unbalanced roster at times. He ignored DL recruiting a couple of cycles earlier in his tenure and we paid for it. I also remember when he had all slot receivers for our receiving corp.

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Odom had really impressive stats for a high school player. I bet if someone evaluated him with football analytics he would have rated a four star. And as far as Dan and his unbalanced rosters- to me that was one of his greatest sins as a recruiter. I guess he was so arrogant that he thought he could just plug and play anyone into his system and it would be awesome. Joe has improved that a lot thus far.

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Williams, Suggs, Odom, Jackson And Williams still have time to make an impact.

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Absolutely. It's impossible to project 2020 at this point. I remember this time last year people were concerned about the safety position and now that we have seen guys like Landrews, Cole, and CJ Morgan step up during last season it's not a concern as much anymore.

Seems like The Network is back in business up the road, they have been racking in some commits recently

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Originally Posted by chef dixon

Seems like The Network is back in business up the road, they have been racking in some commits recently

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1- it never went out of business. They just had bad PR to fight thru.
2- meh, while they are getting some good players, this isn't some super special class. The guy who they got who was previously committed to bama wasn't going to have a spot in t town. The qb went to the best school he could. Options weren't that many.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

1- it never went out of business. They just had bad PR to fight thru.
2- meh, while they are getting some good players, this isn't some super special class. The guy who they got who was previously committed to bama wasn't going to have a spot in t town. The qb went to the best school he could. Options weren't that many.

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The ONLY way the network up the road will go out of business is if the OM football program goes out of business.

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Originally Posted by chef dixon

Seems like The Network is back in business up the road, they have been racking in some commits recently

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None that I’d want

The Network never went out of business but at the same time they won't have a class like 2013 ever again either.

Archie had assembled quite a group.

Who is Caleb Offered?

Kid from Southhaven just committed to Notre Dame & I have never heard of him. Odd

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Who is Caleb Offered?

Kid from Southhaven just committed to Notre Dame & I have never heard of him. Odd

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It is weird. He shows (not sure if real) 3 sec offers and the obvious ND, but no OM and state. ND has a really good class too

IYOK, I'd be sweating that under 7 now... #4 in

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Originally Posted by msstate7

IYOK, I'd be sweating that under 7 now... #4 in

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I should be sweating or are you starting to sweat?

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Originally Posted by msstate7

IYOK, I'd be sweating that under 7 now... #4 in

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Yep. Jordan Davis in the boat and that's a big get.

I think 2 of ours already committed get bumps to a 4 star. I think Selmon and Dean are the 2 most likely candidates.

And I could see us getting 3 more 4 stars.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I should be sweating or are you starting to sweat?

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Me. It's looking much better thanks to joe and staff

He was a former Bama signee if that tells you anything about his talent. HUGE get

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Yep. Jordan Davis in the boat and that's a big get.

I think 2 of ours already committed get bumps to a 4 star. I think Selmon and Dean are the 2 most likely candidates.

And I could see us getting 3 more 4 stars.

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If we get 10 4 stars, then that's a great class.

10 4 stars a year gets you close to your overall roster having about half 4/5 stars recruits, which means you can beat pretty much anyone except the 5 star croot hoarders

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Me. It's looking much better thanks to joe and staff

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Yea that wasn't just a random # I picked out the sky.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Yea that wasn't just a random # I picked out the sky.

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Can you rehash your prediction?

We are at 4 4 stars with Heath likely committing in the not so distant future & Dean & Selmon potentially getting bumps.

That gets us to 7 4 stars.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Can you rehash your prediction?

We are at 4 4 stars with Heath likely committing in the not so distant future & Dean & Selmon potentially getting bumps.

That gets us to 7 4 stars.

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I said we'd sign between 7-10 4*

Joe Mo can definitely recruit. He's got us heading in the right direction big time. It's nice to have this type of talent coming to Starkville.

Cooley is a 4 star talent and hasn't budged in the rankings. I'd say Dean and J. Brown are 4 stars as well.

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Yep. Jordan Davis in the boat and that's a big get.

I think 2 of ours already committed get bumps to a 4 star. I think Selmon and Dean are the 2 most likely candidates.

And I could see us getting 3 more 4 stars.

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The LB from Horn Lake is pretty good too. So is the other LB from Memphis

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

The LB from Horn Lake is pretty good too. So is the other LB from Memphis

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Only the Top 5 in MS are 4 stars for 2020. Now I personally think that number will be closer to 9 or 10 when this cycle is done. But to compare, there were 16 4 stars from the 2019 class.

Only 4 of the Top 15 in 2020 are left uncommitted. Obviously we might still do some work there but there isn't much Top end talent left in the state.

These are the kind of years where we have to be able to go out of state and grab 4 stars. So far we've got Marks that's a 4 star. Can Moorhead go get more? That is how we win minimum 8-9 per year long term.

Mullen has the 2014 class that finished 38th. Three total 4 stars, all in state. We missed on the Top 5 in state and Mullen couldn't pull any highly rated players from out of state. If Moorhead can pull a Top 25 class from a weaker in state class this year that will be huge for us.

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Only the Top 5 in MS are 4 stars for 2020. Now I personally think that number will be closer to 9 or 10 when this cycle is done. But to compare, there were 16 4 stars from the 2019 class.

Only 4 of the Top 15 in 2020 are left uncommitted. Obviously we might still do some work there but there isn't much Top end talent left in the state.

These are the kind of years where we have to be able to go out of state and grab 4 stars. So far we've got Marks that's a 4 star. Can Moorhead go get more? That is how we win minimum 8-9 per year long term.

Mullen has the 2014 class that finished 38th. Three total 4 stars, all in state. We missed on the Top 5 in state and Mullen couldn't pull any highly rated players from out of state. If Moorhead can pull a Top 25 class from a weaker in state class this year that will be huge for us.

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I guess it could be considered weaker compared to a year ago but this isnt a bad year by any stretch. Plenty of good football players in MS. Get out on fridays and watch them. A lot of them arent done justice by the experts

Last year was a hell of a class but this one aint bad. I dont think there will ever be a bad year in this state too much talent and too much passion for the sport.

IYOK, Ari, or other guys with insight, how is our standing with McKinnley Jackson and is Eli Acker really a possible flip? Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

IYOK, Ari, or other guys with insight, how is our standing with McKinnley Jackson and is Eli Acker really a possible flip? Thanks.

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Jackson has shown us no return interest and Eli Acker is only going to flip if Matt Luke is fired and even then it's 50/50. Also, Jackson has plummeted down the recruiting rankings. He may be fortunate to stay a 4 star at the end of the day, although his potential is high enough that I suspect he will keep it.

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

IYOK, Ari, or other guys with insight, how is our standing with McKinnley Jackson and is Eli Acker really a possible flip? Thanks.

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We haven't recruited Jackson hard in months. I think there's only 2 SEC programs who would take his commitment right now (OM & Auburn).

Acker likes MSU a lot but like Jarius said I think it would take a coaching change to pull him. His family are big time OM supporters.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

We haven't recruited Jackson hard in months. I think there's only 2 SEC programs who would take his commitment right now (OM & Auburn).

Acker likes MSU a lot but like Jarius said I think it would take a coaching change to pull him. His family are big time OM supporters.

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Yea there are just too many ties at OM for Acker, but all things equal I think he likes Joe and our staff a lot better than he likes the OM staff.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Yea there are just too many ties at OM for Acker, but all things equal I think he likes Joe and our staff a lot better than he likes the OM staff.

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I agree

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Joe Mo can definitely recruit. He's got us heading in the right direction big time. It's nice to have this type of talent coming to Starkville.

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Isn’t it the same talent we had under Mullen?

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

We haven't recruited Jackson hard in months. I think there's only 2 SEC programs who would take his commitment right now (OM & Auburn).

Acker likes MSU a lot but like Jarius said I think it would take a coaching change to pull him. His family are big time OM supporters.

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Jackson better be careful or he'll look up and find himself as a 3 star. He has had some very poor camp showings. He was ranked a 5 star just based on his size and potential, but everyone else has caught up to him now, and he is falling. He'll end up at OM and they'll claim that he's still a 5 star.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Isn?t it the same talent we had under Mullen?

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I think they're ultimately similar, but Joe and his staff work WAY harder at recruiting than Mullen's did, so we're rewarded with a player or two that Mullen wouldn't have gotten. Take Charles Cross for instance. Joe stayed on his ass, even when he committed to FSU, and got him. I don't think Mullen would've gotten Cross

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

I think they're ultimately similar, but Joe and his staff work WAY harder at recruiting than Mullen's did, so we're rewarded with a player or two that Mullen wouldn't have gotten. Take Charles Cross for instance. Joe stayed on his ass, even when he committed to FSU, and got him. I don't think Mullen would've gotten Cross

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Mo-head’s recruiting certainly seems more balanced. There doesn’t appear to be a positional black hole

The grad transfers have to count as well

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Isn’t it the same talent we had under Mullen?

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If Moorhead finishes with Top 25 classes every year then no it's not the same as Mullen. Obviously there is a lot of talent that was here under Mullen, but Moorhead is about to work his guys in more this year.

Class ranks by Mullen according to 24/7

2009: 18
2010: 30
2011: 41
2012: 22
2013: 24
2014: 36
2015: 18
2016: 28
2017: 24

Mullen never strung together more than 2 consecutive years of classes inside the Top 25. Now he did have those 2 classes of 18. Those were solid classes. But 4 classes outside the Top 25 over 9 years is going to keep us from being consistently competitive and in the upper echelon.

Moorhead in his 1st two years has gone 27 and 24. If he gets in the Top 25 again, that would put us at 3 out of the last 4 classes inside the Top 25. Last time that happened was 2012-2015 and two years after (2014-2017) is one of the better stretches in program history. So if Moorhead can continue to stay in the Top 25 and push into the Top 20 a few times like Mullen did, he will end up with far more talent and could get us to the 8-10 win mark consistently with no drop off years.

To me that's how we build. Mullen was great. But we had 4 of his 9 seasons where we finished with 6 or fewer regular season wins. Moorhead is here to reverse that and consistency in recruiting will be what pushes us there. Moorhead has a much better chance to do that because him and his staff grind in recruiting daily.

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

If Moorhead finishes with Top 25 classes every year then no it's not the same as Mullen. Obviously there is a lot of talent that was here under Mullen, but Moorhead is about to work his guys in more this year.

Class ranks by Mullen according to 24/7

2009: 18
2010: 30
2011: 41
2012: 22
2013: 24
2014: 36
2015: 18
2016: 28
2017: 24

Mullen never strung together more than 2 consecutive years of classes inside the Top 25. Now he did have those 2 classes of 18. Those were solid classes. But 4 classes outside the Top 25 over 9 years is going to keep us from being consistently competitive and in the upper echelon.

Moorhead in his 1st two years has gone 27 and 24. If he gets in the Top 25 again, that would put us at 3 out of the last 4 classes inside the Top 25. Last time that happened was 2012-2015 and two years after (2014-2017) is one of the better stretches in program history. So if Moorhead can continue to stay in the Top 25 and push into the Top 20 a few times like Mullen did, he will end up with far more talent and could get us to the 8-10 win mark consistently with no drop off years.

To me that's how we build. Mullen was great. But we had 4 of his 9 seasons where we finished with 6 or fewer regular season wins. Moorhead is here to reverse that and consistency in recruiting will be what pushes us there. Moorhead has a much better chance to do that because him and his staff grind in recruiting daily.

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This is freaking spot on. Consistently recruit in the top 25 while throwing a top 15ish class in every now and then, and we'll take a step forward as a program.

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

This is freaking spot on. Consistently recruit in the top 25 while throwing a top 15ish class in every now and then, and we'll take a step forward as a program.

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Will we? We aren't beating auburn, aTm, Bama, and LSU with recruiting. We'll have to beat them with experience and coaching. We can't outcoach or out talent bama, so cancel them off the list. aTm has upgraded coaching and is in the process of upgrading talent. LSU is staying an elite recruiter, but they do have coaching question marks. Auburn is a great recruiting program, but terribly inconsistent.

I look at the recipe you laid out as OM's, but they topped out even higher than top 15. They had a dynamic offense with a good coach. They did beat Bama, but it still didn't get them a west title. The grind of the sec west takes supreme talent, great coaching, and luck to win the west over saban. I don't see it happening for us as long saban is there

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Will we? We aren't beating auburn, aTm, Bama, and LSU with recruiting. We'll have to beat them with experience and coaching. We can't outcoach or out talent bama, so cancel them off the list. aTm has upgraded coaching and is in the process of upgrading talent. LSU is staying an elite recruiter, but they do have coaching question marks. Auburn is a great recruiting program, but terribly inconsistent.

I look at the recipe you laid out as OM's, but they topped out even higher than top 15. They had a dynamic offense with a good coach. They did beat Bama, but it still didn't get them a west title. The grind of the sec west takes supreme talent, great coaching, and luck to win the west over saban. I don't see it happening for us as long saban is there

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Auburn and Texas A&M are good recruiters but in 2018 Auburn had the 14th most talented roster and A&M the 16th. Both of those teams obviously recruit better than us, but both are well within the margin for us to beat them.