The same thing we all think about him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bdawg
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The same thing we all think about him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bdawg
Well you are not getting him for anything under 1.1. That is his price.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
Here's my question. Why would we not pay that?Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I get he's young. But our fan base is exceedingly unrealistic on what pay for play really means. If we want guys with potential and who can play, we have to pay. And it's going to cost a lot of money. More than we are comfortable with.
The reason we don't get guys is because we aren't willing to pay. Period. We won two games. It's gonna cost money to get players.
Time to get over it. You want to win? Pay these kids a lot of money. Every year. And get used to it. To get good QBs, the word million is gonna have to be in the sentence. Hundreds of thousands doesn't get you QB talent. Sucks but it is what it is.
I do not mind paying that to a kid who is worth it or has done anything to deserve it. Van Buren is not a good QB. He has good physical skills, ie. strong arm. That is it. He dirts slant routes, has no clue how to move in the pocket, has shit ball control, and has no clue how to read a defense. If he was true Freshman that played sparingly this past year that would be ok. But he played in 10 games and started in 8. It is not a good sign that he was still making the same mistakes in Game 12 that he was in game 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
Had a text from my source a 7:50 saying Arnold was coming to us and then at 8:30 saying something changed in that time frame. These kids are nuts man
Our coaching staff let him go on that trip. That is what happened. They were not letting him leave without committing. Murphy had already left without committing and the natives were restless. Welcome to the portal.Quote:
Originally Posted by CarolinaDawgs
$1.1 MIL for 1 win? I like him better than some but not at SEC full time starter money. I would been ok with half that and incentives getting him to his asking price. I'm ok with that with him but not $1.1 MIL. Which he had lowered from his initial $1.5 MIL. Where is his visits lined up btw?Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
Because we're not paying 1.1 million dollars for a guy we see as our backup and who we don't think will be the starter in 2026.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
Wth? Did Freeze blow JA himself or what?Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Our OL was trash and Van Buren is a true freshman. He does need work. But put him in the same talent situation as Iamaleava at Tennessee and he would look a lot different.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
He knows the offense and that has value and he clearly has arm talent. And a good P4 team will pay him some money to come in. And what we need right now is talent. Van Buren didn't change the game for us as much as he could have, but his surrounding parts forced us to not allow him to manage games but have to sling it all over the place.
Not a good recipe for a true freshman inserted 1/3 of the way into the year.
He went where he wanted to go, Auburn. They probably promised he'd start and he fell for it. He doesn't like competition so it was probably pretty easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
This is wrong. It changed the minute he scheduled the Auburn visit. At that point, it was over.Quote:
Originally Posted by CarolinaDawgs
This is the aspect nobody is talking about. He has a guaranteed starting spot there. He doesn't have that here. I'd pick Auburn too in that situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
They promised him he would start. Now, when they bring in another QB, my guess is he will try to transfer again and he will try to transfer to us. That will not happen. His only option will be ride the pine at Auburn.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
We really really really suck at perception. Regardless if Arnold is worth a shit or not we need a positive perceptive media moment and can not do it to save our lives. It is unreal how bad we are at this.
I think the parents and JA were probably telling us this stuff, but yeah I agree with you. The minute I heard he was going to Auburn for a visit it was overQuote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
Freeze will always be Freeze. I'm sure several girls not enrolled at Auburn but posing as sorority girls played a very important part.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Freeze has taken the part of the Gospel where Satan tempts Jesus in the wilderness and made it a recruiting strategy.
Good. Decisions have consequencesQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I don't disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
But in our building, he's behind Shapen and Taylor is the future.
I understand what you?re saying, but a text telling me ?we couldn?t get him to sign the papers? was coming from a good one. Should?ve never let him get there in the first place but that?s hindsight.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
And that is where this hurts. Perception. Now if we get the FSU kid, which looks like it is going to happen, we will get a little bit of perception back, but Arnold was perceived as a big fish. Now whether he is or not as a different discussion entirely. I personally think Shapen is better than him Shapen just can’t stay healthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rawdawg
Question from a non-insider hoping to learn more about how the portal game is played: What was our coaching staff supposed to do to prevent him from taking the visit to Auburn? Or visiting anywhere else?Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Do you say come to State as your only visit and sign, or our offer is off the table?
That's one way. The problem is we don't have the stroke to do that as a 2-10 team.Quote:
Originally Posted by HeCannotGo
This isn't amazon. We can't just get whomever we want because we have the money to buy. Guys have to want to come here or be sold on our vision.
Kind of but the main thing is as soon as it popped up you already have the money ready to offer what's needed to cancel that trip. If he wants to go still, then you pivot hard to your other options. Auburn brought Murphy in first, we should have had our other top options ready to fly in ASAP if they still crawfish about committing.Quote:
Originally Posted by HeCannotGo
Yeah you can do that and play hardball, you can pay more than Auburns 25k to visit, you can know AU will up the price so say come here now skip AU and we give you 1.5M instead of 1M, etcQuote:
Originally Posted by HeCannotGo
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by CarolinaDawgs
Doesn’t matter and you know it. All we’ve heard is “Arnold is Lebby’s hand picked QB to run his system.” The fans bought it and wanted it. Now they can’t have it and are asked to keep funding but can’t even get what the perceive they wanted. The athletic department at some point has got to deliver on something the fans want. It’s is unreal how much they do not understand this. Getting Arnold would have been a win within the fanbase. Does not matter if we get the FSU kid who is ranked higher and probably a better player. He’s not who the fans were sold on.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
But, if we are balling with Kromenheok next year and look like a real SEC team again no one is gonna think about Jackson Arnold.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rawdawg
And if he falters at AU it will be even better.
Who told you "Arnold is Lebby's hand picked QB?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Rawdawg
If your next to last sentence is correct, Y'all can have the perception. I want the better player.
But I think Shapen starts over both.
I like Shapen but his health is a liability.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Um literally every recruiting expert has said Arnold was Lebby’s QB of the future at Oklahoma. And the thing about signing him now was to show the fans the Lebby had a plan all along instead of missing on a guy he had a longtime relationship with. That sell a brighter future than moving to portal plan B. We have got to do a better job of pushing a narrative and then executing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
So. Steve was right...Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck3124
He started 13 games in 2022.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
He started 8 in 2023.
Last year was the only season ending injury.
But I agree you need a solid backup just in case.
Preferably one that can hurt you with his legs. A running qb is important to Lebby's system.
Agreed. Shapen needs some milk...lol. whichever Qb is brought in let him and the incoming freshman battle all early and often and be prepared to play. My biggest concern with Shapen is that he'll play trying to protect himself. You can't do that in football. We need to let him talk to Favre or Fitz.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Which recruiting experts?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rawdawg
No, Auburn was right. I'll give Lebby credit. The fact that he has the FSU Qb scheduled for a visit proves he was aware Arnold was fickle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
Can hate Steve all you want. But he's right way more than he is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
One in the same in this situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Yep. And that FSU qb visit was setup well before Arnold's Auburn visit.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28