2016 MSU Football Recruiting Thread

Here's the thing I think we have shown this year and last. We don't necessarily have to have an elite class to be elite. But we do have to have a very solid OL class every year. We always develop and get good CBs, LBs, DL, WRs, and RBs. We've now shown that we can develop the right QB and I think we've got those. I think the game changers on the OL are the big difference.

Now that doesn't mean we need to miss on a bunch of elite guys. We need to get some. But to me I think if everything stayed the same except for OL recruiting (which would get better), we would never lose more than 4 games per year.

If aj is out, farrar is very important... Hopefully we hold on. I will be ecstatic if we pull Simmons though. He's in our rotation (maybe starting) day 1

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Here's the thing I think we have shown this year and last. We don't necessarily have to have an elite class to be elite. But we do have to have a very solid OL class every year. We always develop and get good CBs, LBs, DL, WRs, and RBs. We've now shown that we can develop the right QB and I think we've got those. I think the game changers on the OL are the big difference.

Now that doesn't mean we need to miss on a bunch of elite guys. We need to get some. But to me I think if everything stayed the same except for OL recruiting (which would get better), we would never lose more than 4 games per year.

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Did you watch the Alabama & Ole Miss games this year?

Unless your goal is to win 7-8 games, we aren't close

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If aj is out, farrar is very important... Hopefully we hold on. I will be ecstatic if we pull Simmons though. He's in our rotation (maybe starting) day 1

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The optimist in me is still holding out hope on AJ, but the realist in me says he's avoiding our staff so he doesn't have to tell them no

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Did you watch the Alabama & Ole Miss games this year?

Unless your goal is to win 7-8 games, we aren't close

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One position group. Less you can't read what he actually wrote.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

And all the ones that have complained about the lack of signing day buzz, you had better not be the ones melting right now because this is what it feels like to go to the other extreme

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I'm not melting down but you can definitely put me in the I'd rather not have signing day buzz if this is how its goes. I really hope that the elitedawgs recruiting gurus wind up being correct more than some of the pay site media.

At this point, I hope we hang onto Farrar, get the OL guys in the boat, and reel in 2 of the GTR 4. I know that's a pretty low bar to set but if we get better news than that I will be ecstatic.

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Here's the thing I think we have shown this year and last. We don't necessarily have to have an elite class to be elite. But we do have to have a very solid OL class every year. We always develop and get good CBs, LBs, DL, WRs, and RBs. We've now shown that we can develop the right QB and I think we've got those. I think the game changers on the OL are the big difference.

Now that doesn't mean we need to miss on a bunch of elite guys. We need to get some. But to me I think if everything stayed the same except for OL recruiting (which would get better), we would never lose more than 4 games per year.

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+1 Great post. I agree 100 100 100

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Originally Posted by engie

One position group. Less you can't read what he actually wrote.

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It's one position group now, but that can change. There's no guarantee that we'll continue to develop top 3 rounders that few wanted. As Jerry Jones says,"building a football team is like holding Jello in two hands. Once you get it under control, it slips out somewhere else."

My thoughts are that unless your recruiting at a high level across the board, you have little chance.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

It's one position group now, but that can change. There's no guarantee that we'll continue to develop top 3 rounders that few wanted. As Jerry Jones says,"building a football team is like holding Jello in two hands. Once you get it under control, it slips out somewhere else."

My thoughts are that unless your recruiting at a high level across the board, you have little chance.

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Quit melting, dumb ass. IT IS ONE POSITION GROUP. Please point out these other succinct recruiting position group failures that are pointing to our imminent doom. I'll be waiting a long time for your answer.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Yep. And thinks we get Simmons, Jones, Lashley, Cush, Reese and Hankerson. 50-50 on Knott depending on how spots shake out with Bama and his UNM visit.

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I would take those right now & be pumped. Yes, I'd love to get AJ, but a few days ago I had some good sources thinking we weren't getting AJ, Simmons, Kobe, or Knott....so it makes me very happy to hear this coming from Paul.

If I'm Dan, I tell AJ he starts day 1 and we'll offer his buddy Dantzler if we can get him to join his boys. Let's pull a rabbit out of the hat, Dan. Very good news coming from Paul....there was some guys VERY close to the coaches that were hearing awful things a few days ago.

I know it's still several days til signing day, but I'm glad to finally hear decent news from a guy like Paul. We'll see what happens.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I would take those right now & be pumped. Yes, I'd love to get AJ, but a few days ago I had some good sources thinking we weren't getting AJ, Simmons, Kobe, or Knott....so it makes me very happy to hear this coming from Paul.

If I'm Dan, I tell AJ he starts day 1 and we'll offer his buddy Dantzler if we can get him to join his boys. Let's pull a rabbit out of the hat, Dan. Very good news coming from Paul....there was some guys VERY close to the coaches that were hearing awful things a few days ago.

I know it's still several days til signing day, but I'm glad to finally hear decent news from a guy like Paul. We'll see what happens.

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Thing is getting Dantzler wouldn't swing AJ decision 1 way or the other. They aren't tight like that.

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Originally Posted by engie

Quit melting, dumb ass. IT IS ONE POSITION GROUP. Please point out these other succinct recruiting position group failures that are pointing to our imminent doom. I'll be waiting a long time for your answer.

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Smh. Not at all melting and you can believe what you want.

Watch the personal attacks. Your better than that and they aren't constructive. We all want to win, so be mature about discussing it.

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Originally Posted by engie

One position group.

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That is what's funny about this class. The 1 guy who has been killed repeatedly about his lack of recruiting has a very good chance to have the best position group in this class. This year really has been a weird 1.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

That is what's funny about this class. The 1 guy who has been killed repeatedly about his lack of recruiting has a very good chance to have the best position group in this class. This year really has been a weird 1.

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So we must now have to hammer Gonzo for not pulling AJ. He has to go!!!***. Lol. Weird is almost too soft of a word for this year.

Bizarro world. Hev is pulling kids out of his ass and Gonzo supposedly can't pull a kid from Starkville. Not everybody is saying AJ is going elsewhere. Some still believe he signs with us. But it's reasonable to hear a lot of chatter that questions where he goes.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

That is what's funny about this class. The 1 guy who has been killed repeatedly about his lack of recruiting has a very good chance to have the best position group in this class. This year really has been a weird 1.

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Yep. The one true weakness is being addressed.

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Originally Posted by engie

Yep. The one true weakness is being addressed.

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They must read ED

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Originally Posted by engie

Yep. The one true weakness is being addressed.

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Agree completely. We are talented and deep in every other position(could use a little more depth in the DL) accept the OL,but it appears the coaches are addressing this are as well.

To be fair, Paul is only saying it is less than 50% and he based a lot of that on AJ not visiting or the difficulty in getting him to visit. Less than 50% He didn't say 0, 5, 10, or even 25%. He just said less than 50%. I don't know if it is 51% to 49%, 60/40 like Rosie said, or 99/1. We will all find out Wednesday....maybe.

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Originally Posted by Dawgtini

To be fair, Paul is only saying it is less than 50% and he based a lot of that on AJ not visiting or the difficulty in getting him to visit. Less than 50% He didn't say 0, 5, 10, or even 25%. He just said less than 50%. I don't know if it is 51% to 49%, 60/40 like Rosie said, or 99/1. We will all find out Wednesday....maybe.

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I'm about ready to raise the white flag on AJ. If he was coming it shouldn't be a problem for him to come over and visit our coaches. Though if he has truly decided on Bama I don't see why, at this point, he just doesn't tell our coaches so we can make alternate plans. Seems like he could at least do THAT much for us. But boy, I just hate to see another Freddie Milons situation. Our program has come leaps and bounds since those days so its sad that we are apparently going to have to relive a Starkville guy playing against us 90 miles down the road in the same division of the same conference. Would be easier to swallow if he was just going off to Ohio State or somewhere.

I really think we are about to close with every toss up we have with the bears.

Thank you Pat Forde.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

I really think we are about to close with every toss up we have with the bears.

Thank you Pat Forde.

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Should definitely help a lot with Simmons and Jones, not so much with AJ and Knott.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Should definitely help a lot with Simmons and Jones, not so much with AJ and Knott.

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If Simmons and Jones do come, the chance to play with those two may help with AJ and Knott.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

I'm about ready to raise the white flag on AJ. If he was coming it shouldn't be a problem for him to come over and visit our coaches. Though if he has truly decided on Bama I don't see why, at this point, he just doesn't tell our coaches so we can make alternate plans. Seems like he could at least do THAT much for us. But boy, I just hate to see another Freddie Milons situation. Our program has come leaps and bounds since those days so its sad that we are apparently going to have to relive a Starkville guy playing against us 90 miles down the road in the same division of the same conference. Would be easier to swallow if he was just going off to Ohio State or somewhere.

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Paul changed his CB to Bama this afternoon, so the writing is on the wall. I can't wait for signing day to be over.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Did you watch the Alabama & Ole Miss games this year?

Unless your goal is to win 7-8 games, we aren't close

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You realize that we play 12 games and not winning two of them means we'd end up with 10 regular season wins?

If the goal is to win 7-8 games, we're not close, we're already there. I don't think that's anybody's goal at this point. And did you watch the LSU and A&M games this year? A good OT in the LSU game is probably worth a win. Harder to say with A&M but obviously there were times this year where we would have beaten them handily.

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

You realize that we play 12 games and not winning two of them means we'd end up with 10 regular season wins?

If the goal is to win 7-8 games, we're not close, we're already there. I don't think that's anybody's goal at this point. And did you watch the LSU and A&M games this year? A good OT in the LSU game is probably worth a win. Harder to say with A&M but obviously there were times this year where we would have beaten them handily.

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Well as Ron Polk would say, its a punch to the gut and a slap to the face. Might even could add a kick to the nads. :(

ETA: If we can somehow still close with Jones, Lashley, Simmons, Knott and hold on to Farrar, to go along with the OL we believe we are going to get that would still be a heck of a good finish.

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

You realize that we play 12 games and not winning two of them means we'd end up with 10 regular season wins?

If the goal is to win 7-8 games, we're not close, we're already there. I don't think that's anybody's goal at this point. And did you watch the LSU and A&M games this year? A good OT in the LSU game is probably worth a win. Harder to say with A&M but obviously there were times this year where we would have beaten them handily.

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Our QB was play was inconsistent but our OL got manhandled that game too

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Originally Posted by engie

Quit melting, dumb ass. IT IS ONE POSITION GROUP. Please point out these other succinct recruiting position group failures that are pointing to our imminent doom. I'll be waiting a long time for your answer.

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I don't think we have any failures, but the concerns have to be OL, DL, and CB. Love our QB, LB, WR, and Safety situation. Not crazy about RB but surely with all the bodies we have at least one of them will be better than average. If our CB's and DL aren't a significant weakness this year, that will be a big step forward for Dan and will show that he's still upgrading our talent.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

I'm about ready to raise the white flag on AJ. If he was coming it shouldn't be a problem for him to come over and visit our coaches. Though if he has truly decided on Bama I don't see why, at this point, he just doesn't tell our coaches so we can make alternate plans. Seems like he could at least do THAT much for us. But boy, I just hate to see another Freddie Milons situation. Our program has come leaps and bounds since those days so its sad that we are apparently going to have to relive a Starkville guy playing against us 90 miles down the road in the same division of the same conference. Would be easier to swallow if he was just going off to Ohio State or somewhere.

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Honestly, Going to Bama won't hurt like everyone thinks. He'll be a possession WR there versus the go to here. He's not a burner but he attacks the football. Getting Hankerson with his speed, quickness, length, and athletic ability..... With good coaching could negate him. He's my steal of this class if we can land him. His upside is through the roof!!!

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Honestly, Going to Bama won't hurt like everyone thinks. He'll be a possession WR there versus the go to here. He's not a burner but he attacks the football. Getting Hankerson with his speed, quickness, length, and athletic ability..... With good coaching could negate him. He's my steal of this class if we can land him. His upside is through the roof!!!

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It will hurt us NOT getting him a lot more than it helps Bama getting him. If Bama doesn't get Brown they would just replace him with another high level 4 or 5 star receiver. We don't have the luxury of replacing guys like Brown with similar level players. Would be great if we get Hankerson and he becomes a good SEC player for us (heard he could be a WR or a DB) but I don't think anyone is ready to put him in the same category as Brown.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

It will hurt us NOT getting him a lot more than it helps Bama getting him. If Bama doesn't get Brown they would just replace him with another high level 4 or 5 star receiver. We don't have the luxury of replacing guys like Brown with similar level players. Would be great if we get Hankerson and he becomes a good SEC player for us (heard he could be a WR or a DB) but I don't think anyone is ready to put him in the same category as Brown.

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Farror is on the same category as Brown right now, plus he's taller. That's my opinion.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Farror is on the same category as Brown right now, plus he's taller. That's my opinion.

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Yep, Farrar is a big time player. Will be much more excited on him if I find out we are definitely going to hold onto him.

Simmons would help us more than AJ. Hell we got receivers but we need dominate DL line a wino needs thunderbird

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Well as Ron Polk would say, its a punch to the gut and a slap to the face. Might even could add a kick to the nads. :(

ETA: If we can somehow still close with Jones, Lashley, Simmons, Knott and hold on to Farrar, to go along with the OL we believe we are going to get that would still be a heck of a good finish.

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If we finish like that, I might go to the middle of the square, pull my pants down, and tell the UNM snobs to kiss me in the brown!!! You better believe I would take that finish. AJ would be a hard pill to swallow but it's definitely not our position of need.

Jack jones (5* CB) has bama in final 3. Wonder would bama take knott if they land carter and jones

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Jack jones (5* CB) has bama in final 3. Wonder would bama take knott if they land carter and jones

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If they get carter and Jones, I like our chances.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Jack jones (5* CB) has bama in final 3. Wonder would bama take knott if they land carter and jones

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Jones is a long shot for Bama.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Jones is a long shot for Bama.

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In your opinion, how many more you think we will take in this class? I won't hold you to it, just would like to hear your best guess. Thanks again for your info!

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Jones is a long shot for Bama.

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Who are the guys ahead of knott?

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Jones is a long shot for Bama.

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What about Mayden? OU landing him?

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

What about Mayden? OU landing him?

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Bama right there for that 1. Both sides feel confident.