This what every other team in talks with Montgomery will say ?you really want to play your last year of college baseball with a team that hasn?t made Hoover in the last two years.? That is going to be hard to over come.
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This what every other team in talks with Montgomery will say ?you really want to play your last year of college baseball with a team that hasn?t made Hoover in the last two years.? That is going to be hard to over come.
I can't see postseason play without Montgomery. Pretty much the entire staff has to make a huge jump, plus our lineup isn't incredible without him. He's a huge piece! We gonna have to score a boat load to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigbub50
Can?t and won?t argue with that view. It?s not looking good.
Well, if what u say or think then whatever money was available for zHolman should go to Montgomery also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
What a disappointing closure for 2023. Why didn’t we sign pitchers at least in Juco this spring? I think not having pitcher coach on board right after season set us back. Think how long it took to get Parker.
I think we better focus on football now. 8 or 9 wins would be nice. Making noise in NCAA for men and women basketball would be awesome!
We picked up a stud from Juco and another good arm.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
Names? Not being a dick I'm just trying not to double count arms. Like is the "another good arm" the guy from Miami? He's a Cade Smith replacementQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
I agree with the end. Spend the baseball NIL on another sport, or just bank it till next year to help the new coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
Even of we landed Montgomery we don't have the arms. We need waaaay more innings of pitching than we have. Why spend money on Montgomery to go 12-18 when we could spend it helping a good coach and let baseball go 10-20? Either way we're looking for a new baseball coach
Oh well looks like the ship sailed on Holman. No surprise IMO. We should've fired the great recruiter in May but then we had to keep the recruiting class together right or so some would lead you to believe but no worries, Lemo has a plan.
Well hell, a little sliver of somewhat positive news.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I would spend whatever it takes to get bullpen help. The big armed lefty from Louisville would be a good start.
Well we should have plenty of NIL funds left to offer. Can't believe the Memphis 3B or the Miami pitcher required a big NIL payout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
We have more than enough money even adding Montgomery in the mix.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
We'll disagree there. Simmons had not allowed an earned run before he blew out in 2022.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
With Montgomery- the line-up will easily be better in 2024.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Highfill 24 > Highfill 23
Hines 24 > Hines 23
Jordan 24 > Jordan 23
Mershon 24 > Merson 23
Larry 24 at worst equals Larry 23
Montgomery will at worst equal Clark and is likely a better defender
Hugesak will have more power than Led. Doubt he matches him in average or obp
Our Cali signee at DH could exceed Hancock 23....would not surprise if so
Line-up will easily be better with Monty
We will not be back until we torch the barn
Montgomery belongs at MSU, we even have an iconic building named for him.
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All signs point to another disappointing season forthcoming. Sure, the guys we have will be better. Everyone else?s will too. Lemon has done and added NOTHING to suggest otherwise. Coming to terms with this now will make it somewhat easier to handle when it all comes to fruition and we start the rebuilding process with a new head coach in May 2024.
He threw 4.1 innings in the non con lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Read the comments. Lsu fans seem to think he's going to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
If we lose Montgomery, Lemondick needs to be fired! All this bullshit that we can't compete in recruiting needs to stop. Jans -Purcell-and Arnett seem to be doing ok. What is the common denominator for baseball? It's that fatass from Indiana. He has the recruiting personality of a wet dishrag. FIRE HIS ASS!
I don't necessarily disagree with this entirely, I do think there's a pretty solid chance our lineup ends up being better next year...but you doubt Hujsak will be better than Ledbetter? Come on, man. Even in power, Ledbetter showed more per AB than Hujsak did last year. I actually appreciate that on this topic you're very optimistic, but it's still a case of picking a position and then figuring out how to argue it any way possible. It's not good that we haven't gotten much in the portal. Even if we do land Montgomery, it's been pretty rough otherwise, and if we don't then our portal results will arguably be fireable on their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I don't have an issue with trying to stay optimistic about next year's team, it doesn't hurt to have some of that around here, even if I don't share it. But there's no need to go overboard trying to argue it, because it is a real stretch. Maybe Simmons was our 2nd best pitcher, or would have been, in 21. But he threw fewer than 5 innings; it doesn't really matter that he had yet to allow an earned run. That can't be an actual argument.
We'll have to wait and see if guys make massive jumps next year and we're a good team. I personally really doubt that happens because it seems unlikely...because, again, they're going to have to be some massive jumps from our pitchers. If we do, that's amazing. And it is technically possible, there is talent. But it's not even close to being likely.
My optimism comes from the unknown with Parker running the pitching staff. I think if he maximizes some of the talent we have we could make a tremendous jump next year. Coach34 isn't wrong in saying there is plenty of talent in the lineup, but if there is big success in 24 (regionals) then its going to be because of the pitching staff.
I'm growing tired of this false narrative that we have some great lineup. In SEC games, we were 9th in hitting, 13th in RBI, 9th in OBP. It was HR or bust for us. Montgomery would make us our lineup really good. Without him, it's just average.
Pitching needs a total overhaul. Just a couple guys making the jump won't get us far in post season. We need the whole bunch to improve. That's not likely, but neither is no improvement. I think pitching will be about middle of the pack. We have no ace, or we could go higher. JMO on pitching.
We've got a regional team. But we should've been a regional team this year. Some leaders need to step up.
We'll have 3-4 pitchers drafted next July. We damn well better be improved on the moundQuote:
Originally Posted by raymonddawg
It depends on what the young arms do. If they develop we will be fine. If they develop to their ceiling we will be a host. Either way, we will know soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
But to say a 2 seed sucks is still extreme.
Let?s look at what a 2 seed level of improvement might look like:Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
2023 27-26 (9-21)
2024 33-23 (13-17) could possibly get a 2 seed. Is a 6 win overall improvement and 4 SEC win improvement good enough to stay the course and give Lemonis an extension? Because he will have to have an extension and therefore and extended buyout back up to $6 mil. plus.
You also have to look at the whole picture, not just that the team was <awarded> a 2 seed primarily based on conference affiliation. What if of the 6 non-con losses mentioned in my example, a few are to less than stellar programs? What if the 17 SEC losses include some ridiculous sweep or series losses?
I will forever maintain that the 21 team won it all in spite of Lemonis, built by previous staffs.
Hell no but that is what would happenQuote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
I'm telling you now, making a regional will not get Lemonis an extension. It also may not get him fired, but could.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandjunky
Let's assume we make a regional, if so, there still shouldn't be any hurry for an extension if he is retained. Fact is if he isn't fired why would we be so dumb to extend?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
What 13-17 sec team has ever been a 2 seed? Can you name two? Or even one? None of that is happening, the seeding or the extension, if we are 33-23 (13-17).Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
If he doesn?t earn an extension, then he should be fired. There shouldn?t be in-between. He?s already on borrowed time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
i'd be a little nervous about extending after a good season next year. I need to see some sustained success. If he has a good year next, he should be able to have a little more success in the portal, so no excuses about losing players.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldogcountry1
State made a Regional with 13-17, 13-16, 12-17 in 04, 05, 06. I believe State was a 2 seed in 2 of those.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
2 seed in 05 after winning the SEC Tournament. 3 seed in 04 and 06Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
I would be too, but I think he?s either going to show significant improvement or he?s going to fall on his face. He certainly hasn?t done enough with the portal to give anyone any confidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlSwearengen
Dient State beat Ole Miss for the title in 05?Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
That 13-17 team wasn't a 2 seed. I don't recall a 13-17 two seed. And certainly not a 33-23 (13-17) two seed.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
But to your larger point, if we go 14-16 in sec play and have the nonconference resume to be a 2 seed, I won't label that as sucking. I think it would depend on postseason results to decide whether or not it was a successful season.
Yessir. And Brett Cleveland had some choice words walking off the mound.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
Jet Butler had a big hit
Isn't he through the second year of a four year contract? He obviously got a substantial raise with four year contract after 2021. He tanked in 2022 and I assume he was not extended an extra year but I could be wrong. No extension this year. That means if he is not extended after 2024 he would enter 2025 with no contract beyond which never happens. The only way this scenario is incorrect is if he did in fact get the extra year tacked on after the 2022 collapse which would be hard to believe. Anybody know for sure?Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldogcountry1