Everybody as pumped for Saturday as I am?

I posted this elsewhere. Let’s see if anyone tries to actually argue this.

What other coach that we could get has this as a resume
- Career Record - 57-25
- National Champion coach, Broyles Award Winner, AAC Coach of the Year
- mentored under the 2nd best coach in the modern era
- 6 Top 10 Scoring Offenses
- 6 Top 10 recruiting classes
- Undefeated in bowl games
- 5-0 in P5 games at Houston
- Ability to put together the best staff we’ve ever had here

I’ll see what the resident hob knobbers, that think Arnett and Brad are the cheese since they get to say they know guys on staff, want to try and argue around that.

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New QB that can move
2 weeks to get new QB 1st team reps
2 weeks to add new plays with new QB that can move
2 weeks to make it easier on the OL because new QB can move
UPig having to dig into Vandy film to watch Wright
UPig still having to scout Rogers just in case
2 weeks to hopefully put together a defensive plan good enough to slow them down

Mannnnnnnnn gonna be exciting. Most excited I've been about a game of ours since 2018

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You're just trolling at this point.

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I posted this elsewhere. Let’s see if anyone tries to actually argue this.

What other coach that we could get has this as a resume
- Career Record - 57-25
- National Champion coach, Broyles Award Winner, AAC Coach of the Year
- mentored under the 2nd best coach in the modern era
- 6 Top 10 Scoring Offenses
- 6 Top 10 recruiting classes
- Undefeated in bowl games
- 5-0 in P5 games at Houston
- Ability to put together the best staff we’ve ever had here

I’ll see what the resident hob knobbers, that think Arnett and Brad are the cheese since they get to say they know guys on staff, want to try and argue around that.

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I posted this elsewhere. Let’s see if anyone tries to actually argue this.

What other coach that we could get has this as a resume
- Career Record - 57-25
- National Champion coach, Broyles Award Winner, AAC Coach of the Year
- mentored under the 2nd best coach in the modern era
- 6 Top 10 Scoring Offenses
- 6 Top 10 recruiting classes
- Undefeated in bowl games
- 5-0 in P5 games at Houston
- Ability to put together the best staff we’ve ever had here

I’ll see what the resident hob knobbers, that think Arnett and Brad are the cheese since they get to say they know guys on staff, want to try and argue around that.

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To add to this, Tom Herman is a member of MENSA, which is an elite intelligence society where you have to be in the 98th percentile of IQ to even be a member. That would be a drastic change from Caveman Arnett.

One took a bad program and made some improvements (may not be enough to save his job though) and the other took a solid program and is driving it in the ground. Course, our coach doesn't have man tits so there's a positive for ya.......

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I'm not trolling at all. I'm extremely excited about Saturday. We may not win because UPig is pretty good on D, we are on the road, and our D is awful. But I expect us to play a solid game that wont be decided until the 4th Q. We should have a chance to win the game and the offense should show some good things

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You know exactly what I am talking about

Id be good with Herman. Could do a lot worse. He has some fire about him

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Id be good with Herman. Could do a lot worse. He has some fire about him

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He's smart and cocky. I like that. I love the fact that he called for an onside kick when up by 42 points in the fourth quarter against South Florida.

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He's smart and cocky. I like that. I love the fact that he called for an onside kick when up by 42 points in the fourth quarter against South Florida.

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That just shows he hasn't matured and still makes stupid in game decisions that are about himself. He needs to put some solid program running in his bank for 3-4 years and mature. He needs to not have his own players recruit against him. He needs to actually be a leader and prove it for a period of time. I love fire and brashness, I hate childish self-absorption that makes you call an onside kick up 42 points. Smart doesn't mean he won't make stupid decisions. He does.

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That just shows he hasn't matured and still makes stupid in game decisions that are about himself. He needs to put some solid program running in his bank for 3-4 years and mature. He needs to not have his own players recruit against him. He needs to actually be a leader and prove it for a period of time. I love fire and brashness, I hate childish self-absorption that makes you call an onside kick up 42 points. Smart doesn't mean he won't make stupid decisions. He does.

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And this type of thinking is why we are getting left behind.

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And this type of thinking is why we are getting left behind.

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Naw. This is the type of thinking that actually selects good talented leaders. In many careers. Actually really good at.

But please name the elite leaders who onside up 42 points.

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That just shows he hasn't matured and still makes stupid in game decisions that are about himself. He needs to put some solid program running in his bank for 3-4 years and mature. He needs to not have his own players recruit against him. He needs to actually be a leader and prove it for a period of time. I love fire and brashness, I hate childish self-absorption that makes you call an onside kick up 42 points. Smart doesn't mean he won't make stupid decisions. He does.

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So, to you, stupid decision = going against conventional theory on football. To me, smart decision = going against conventional theory on football. If maturing means falling more in line with conventional thought about football, then I don't want him maturing. Mike Leach didn't become a HOF coach because he fell in line with conventional theory. He became a HOF coach because everything he did was AGAINST conventional theory.

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So, to you, stupid decision = going against conventional theory on football. To me, smart decision = going against conventional theory on football. If maturing means falling more in line with conventional thought about football, then I don't want him maturing. Mike Leach didn't become a HOF coach because he fell in line with conventional theory. He became a HOF coach because everything he did was AGAINST conventional theory.

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No, that had absolutely nothing to do with going against conventional theory. I like that, believe in that in a lot cases. It goes directly to his character and pathology, that was about him and him only, had nothing to with going against conventional football theory. Do that up 3 points in the 4th is going against theory. That's brash. That takes balls. Doing that up 42 in the 4th, has nothing to do with football theory but his pathology and immaturity.

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Naw. This is the type of thinking that actually selects good talented leaders. In many careers. Actually really good at.

But please name the elite leaders who onside up 42 points.

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Again instead of arguing the resume, you're arguing for character. No one said he was a high character guy. Jackie wasn't considered high character either. Nor was Mullen.

You call it immature.... I call it proving a point.

I'm not saying we should try to hire Tom Herman, but anyone trying to argue keeping our current staff of Bozo's over hiring Herman are freaking blithering idiots. Period.

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Again instead of arguing the resume, you're arguing for character. No one said he was a high character guy. Jackie wasn't considered high character either. Nor was Mullen.

You call it immature.... I call it proving a point.

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Tom Herman definitely has some of that Mullen arrogance to him. I never disliked Mullen's arrogance. I like coaches who are willing to kick over a bee hive. The thing I didn't like about Mullen was that his arrogance didn't carry over to his play calling at times. Mullen would get way too conservative with his play calling. An example is 2017 Alabama. If I remember correctly, we were up by with ten minutes or so left in the 4th quarter. We just stopped them and had the ball. Three straight QB power plays and we are punting. That wasn't the time to attempt to shorten the game. That was the time to go for the throat. A TD there, and we win.

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I'm not saying we should try to hire Tom Herman, but anyone trying to argue keeping our current staff of Bozo's over hiring Herman are freaking blithering idiots. Period.

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Most people who are against hiring Herman just see "Herman fired at Texas." They actually haven't done research.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

That just shows he hasn't matured and still makes stupid in game decisions that are about himself. He needs to put some solid program running in his bank for 3-4 years and mature. He needs to not have his own players recruit against him. He needs to actually be a leader and prove it for a period of time. I love fire and brashness, I hate childish self-absorption that makes you call an onside kick up 42 points. Smart doesn't mean he won't make stupid decisions. He does.

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Absolutely correct. Great post.

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I'm not saying we should try to hire Tom Herman, but anyone trying to argue keeping our current staff of Bozo's over hiring Herman are freaking blithering idiots. Period.

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Yeah, I think there might only be 1 or 2 posters wanting Arnett over Herman. But it's a moot point at this time. If Arnett squeaks out 6 wins and his offense keeps getting better, he'll get another year to see what he can do in the portal. Then we'll be shopping.

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I'm not saying we should try to hire Tom Herman, but anyone trying to argue keeping our current staff of Bozo's over hiring Herman are freaking blithering idiots. Period.

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Where was that argued?

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Again instead of arguing the resume, you're arguing for character. No one said he was a high character guy. Jackie wasn't considered high character either. Nor was Mullen.

You call it immature.... I call it proving a point.

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Again, and you are also helping to prove my point, leadership hiring, which is what a HC is, goes way beyond his record. The data shows that in leadership hiring of all types. If you only look at results and don't vet a persons character much deeper, you have many more misses in leadership hires. It's not just something I made up because I don't like him, it's been proven. I actually like other parts of what he does but not all of his results were promising either. He has to be able to run a program. He had players on his team actively recruiting against him. I'm not saying never hire him, I'm saying let him rehab, like Kiffin until he shows he has matured enough to run a P5 program.

BTW, if I'm making a hire Lebby is who I target first. And if we don't get to 6, we need to look at making a change.

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Again, and you are also helping to prove my point, leadership hiring, which is what a HC is, goes way beyond his record. The data shows that in leadership hiring of all types. If you only look at results and don't vet a persons character much deeper, you have many more misses in leadership hires. It's not just something I made up because I don't like him, it's been proven. I actually like other parts of what he does but not all of his results were promising either. He has to be able to run a program. He had players on his team actively recruiting against him. I'm not saying never hire him, I'm saying let him rehab, like Kiffin until he shows he has matured enough to run a P5 program.

BTW, if I'm making a hire Lebby is who I target first. And if we don't get to 6, we need to look at making a change.

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So you'll take Lebby who has way more character question marks over Herman. I'm done. Lol

I love Lebby, but Lebby was heavily mentioned with the Briles/Baylor stuff. That's way worse character question marks than anything Herman has done. Carry on.

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I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little excited. I'm mostly interested to see what we look like on offense, even though we know the defense sucks. I guess I've just accepted the fact that the defense is going to suck all year.
I want to see what the O looks like with a dual threat QB. Maybe this will give us an idea of where we're headed if we can recruit solid dual threat QB's.
Been bow hunting all week with my son in this beautiful Tennessee weather!! Gonna chill Saturday morning and watch our game.

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I'm sort of in the same place as you, except I'm also a little excited b/c this is a weekend that can more or less confirm whether I can completely check out the rest of the season. Not going to lie, I've already been a little checked out, partly because I've just had things going on on Saturdays and partly just because when I did get to watch it hasn't been a lot of fun watching us struggle so badly. I've just got too much going on to make it a priority to watch us play and look bad and get frustrated. If we don't show some life after a bye week with a mobile QB, then it's not happening this year. Not saying we have to win on the road, but we need to look like we have some semblance of an offensive game plan we can execute and have some signs of life on defense.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

New QB that can move
2 weeks to get new QB 1st team reps
2 weeks to add new plays with new QB that can move
2 weeks to make it easier on the OL because new QB can move
UPig having to dig into Vandy film to watch Wright
UPig still having to scout Rogers just in case
2 weeks to hopefully put together a defensive plan good enough to slow them down

Mannnnnnnnn gonna be exciting. Most excited I've been about a game of ours since 2018

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You're a parody of yourself now. This staff is a joke. I was no fan of the Air Raid, but this is ludicrous. This staff is gone sooner, rather than later. I don't advocate bringing the AR back, but Arnette wasn't ready and it shows from the top down. We need to bring in a staff with a plan.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Again, and you are also helping to prove my point, leadership hiring, which is what a HC is, goes way beyond his record. The data shows that in leadership hiring of all types. If you only look at results and don't vet a persons character much deeper, you have many more misses in leadership hires. It's not just something I made up because I don't like him, it's been proven. I actually like other parts of what he does but not all of his results were promising either. He has to be able to run a program. He had players on his team actively recruiting against him. I'm not saying never hire him, I'm saying let him rehab, like Kiffin until he shows he has matured enough to run a P5 program.

BTW, if I'm making a hire Lebby is who I target first. And if we don't get to 6, we need to look at making a change.

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Yea, I call bullshit on that if you're trying to apply it to MSU football or basketball. We have two options: Hire an unproven coach (generally a P5 coordinator or lower level HC, although the lower level HC is much more competitive now, with even big programs reaching to hire somebody before they have a long track record (e.g., UF and Poor Man's Mullen)) or Hire a more proven coach with some blemishes, whether it be "character" or performance (e.g., Jackie, Ben Howland, Gus Malzahn, Herman, Kiffin when UM hired him, Freeze the year before Auburn hired him (etc.)).

Texas has issues that make it win way less than it should, and they have existed over multiple coaches. I used to think Mack Brown wayyyyy underachieved at UT, and I think he did, but looking at what he did before and after, it seems like UT was a big part of that issue, just like it has been with subsequent coaches.

I don't think going 3-3 so far at UAF makes him a strong candidate, but if he does well at UAF, we probably aren't going to be in a position to pass on him because of his alleged character issues.

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So you'll take Lebby who has way more character question marks over Herman. I'm done. Lol

I love Lebby, but Lebby was heavily mentioned with the Briles/Baylor stuff. That's way worse character question marks than anything Herman has done. Carry on.

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Why, because he was on staff at Baylor? That's doesn't hold water man. Hell we were trying to hire Kendall last year who had more alleged involvement. You had one woman allegedly saying she told Lebby about an incident and drug use but the third party investigation that lead to the President, AD and Art's firing found nothing on that. And that her previous depositions, even years later in 2021, she swore under oath that she only had talked to Lebby about grades of that that player and nothing else. And that was the only time she talked to Lebby. That story changed during the lawsuit she became a part of, that's it. So please point all of his character flaws that you know about? Dude, come on. You think I don't know about this stuff. I've posted passionately about it and why we should never hire Art Briles or have him be a part of the program.

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Yea, I call bullshit on that if you're trying to apply it to MSU football or basketball. We have two options: Hire an unproven coach (generally a P5 coordinator or lower level HC, although the lower level HC is much more competitive now, with even big programs reaching to hire somebody before they have a long track record (e.g., UF and Poor Man's Mullen)) or Hire a more proven coach with some blemishes, whether it be "character" or performance (e.g., Jackie, Ben Howland, Gus Malzahn, Herman, Kiffin when UM hired him, Freeze the year before Auburn hired him (etc.)).

Texas has issues that make it win way less than it should, and they have existed over multiple coaches. I used to think Mack Brown wayyyyy underachieved at UT, and I think he did, but looking at what he did before and after, it seems like UT was a big part of that issue, just like it has been with subsequent coaches.

I don't think going 3-3 so far at UAF makes him a strong candidate, but if he does well at UAF, we probably aren't going to be in a position to pass on him because of his alleged character issues.

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Call BS all you want, doesn't make it any less true. But to qualify it for you more, all of that is dependent on the actual coaching pool you are selecting from. So, he could be the best available at the time if you have only a certain pool of coaches to choose from. I just want to see him mature and be able to run a program without it deteriorating. Heck of an offensive mind who doesn't have self awareness or maturity.

ETA. I meant to also say that I agree Texas have issues outside of their coaches. No doubt. I think it takes a certain personality to win there at a certain level.

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You're a parody of yourself now. This staff is a joke. I was no fan of the Air Raid, but this is ludicrous. This staff is gone sooner, rather than later. I don't advocate bringing the AR back, but Arnette wasn't ready and it shows from the top down. We need to bring in a staff with a plan.

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Who has beaten us with less talent than we have? I'll answer that for you- nobody

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Who has beaten us with less talent than we have? I'll answer that for you- nobody

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Tend to agree. AZ and USC basically even so go either way which they did.

Ark and Aub too when we are healthy. I don't think OM is really other than QB. However it only takes one player playing above his head or having one great game to break these swing type games which we have several still left.

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Why, because he was on staff at Baylor? That's doesn't hold water man. Hell we were trying to hire Kendall last year who had more alleged involvement. You had one woman allegedly saying she told Lebby about an incident and drug use but the third party investigation that lead to the President, AD and Art's firing found nothing on that. And that her previous depositions, even years later in 2021, she swore under oath that she only had talked to Lebby about grades of that that player and nothing else. And that was the only time she talked to Lebby. That story changed during the lawsuit she became a part of, that's it. So please point all of his character flaws that you know about? Dude, come on. You think I don't know about this stuff. I've posted passionately about it and why we should never hire Art Briles or have him be a part of the program.

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Because you can't say you're against hiring Herman for character flaws and in the same breathe mention Lebby.

You say you don't want Briles apart of the program in any way shape of form, yet you're all for hiring Lebby (again someone I would hire if we missed on Herman). Lebby's "character flaws" out weigh Herman's by a mile.

You don't like Herman, that's fine, but to say we can't hire him because of character flaws then stumping for Lebby..... man that's talking out of two sides of your mouth.

The other great thing about Herman is that he has called 61% pass plays at FAU this season.

Intelligent coaches know that the passing game is the most important part of offense.

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Because you can't say you're against hiring Herman for character flaws and in the same breathe mention Lebby.

That's talking out of 2 sides of your mouth.

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No it's not. That's a juvenile response to a reasoned explanation.

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Because you can't say you're against hiring Herman for character flaws and in the same breathe mention Lebby.

You say you don't want Briles apart of the program in any way shape of form, yet you're all for hiring Lebby (again someone I would hire if we missed on Herman). Lebby's "character flaws" out weigh Herman's by a mile.

You don't like Herman, that's fine, but to say we can't hire him because of character flaws then stumping for Lebby..... man that's talking out of two sides of your mouth.

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What specific character flaw can you point to about Lebby? Who his father in law is is NOT a character flaw. If that your argument that's just asinine. Should he have divorced his wife, who he married in 2011, because of her dad?

I've listed several about Herman. Who, again it's not someone I don't like, but who I want to see mature and run a good program. I like his offense. More to running a program than an offense though. A whole lot more.

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The other great thing about Herman is that he has called 61% pass plays at FAU this season.

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He ran the ball more than he threw it at Texas and Houston

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He ran the ball more than he threw it at Texas and Houston

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Now, break that down into designed run plays vs called pass plays that ended in either a scramble or a sack. Plus, he runs about 20% RPO.

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What specific character flaw can you point to about Lebby? Who his father in law is is NOT a character flaw. If that your argument that's just asinine. Should he have divorced his wife, who he married in 2011, because of her dad?

I've listed several about Herman. Who, again it's not someone I don't like, but who I want to see mature and run a good program. I like his offense. More to running a program than an offense though. A whole lot more.

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It is a lot more.

Again, who's done this?

- Career Record - 57-25
- National Champion coach, Broyles Award Winner, AAC Coach of the Year
- mentored under the 2nd best coach in the modern era
- 6 Top 10 Scoring Offenses
- 6 Top 10 recruiting classes
- Undefeated in bowl games
- 5-0 in P5 games at Houston
- Ability to put together the best staff we’ve ever had here

I like Lebby. I like Lebby alot. Herman is mature enough to do a lot of good things as an HC and is turning around FAU with a quickness.

You're mistaking arrogance for childishness. Is he brash? Sure. Leach was, Mullen was, Jackie was.

Every single coach worth his salt is going to have some character flaws. It's pretty insane that you're arguing for Lebby and still saying Herman has character flaws.

Since you want specific examples of Lebby (something I didn't care to bring up):

1.At least one former Baylor student has reported she contacted Lebby directly after being slapped, kicked, choked and slammed against a wall by one of his running backs.

2. Lebby was involved in getting T-shirts made with #CAB on the front, which stood for Coach Art Briles.

3. Lebby brought Briles on the sideline after an OU game just this year.

Herman has nothing on that.

I know the Baylor situation as well. It is what it is. I'm not hashing that out.

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Now, break that down into designed run plays vs called pass plays that ended in either a scramble or a sack. Plus, he runs about 20% RPO.

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You can go ahead. Also do it by season and their win loss record for that year.

He was anywhere between close to 50/50 to 60/40 run pass for a given year. But it will be that he ran it more than he threw over his years at Houston and Texas.

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It is a lot more.

Again, who's done this?

- Career Record - 57-25
- National Champion coach, Broyles Award Winner, AAC Coach of the Year
- mentored under the 2nd best coach in the modern era
- 6 Top 10 Scoring Offenses
- 6 Top 10 recruiting classes
- Undefeated in bowl games
- 5-0 in P5 games at Houston
- Ability to put together the best staff we?ve ever had here

I like Lebby. I like Lebby alot. Herman is mature enough to do a lot of good things as an HC and is turning around FAU with a quickness.

You're mistaking arrogance for childishness. Is he brash? Sure. Leach was, Mullen was, Jackie was.

Every single coach worth his salt is going to have some character flaws. It's pretty insane that you're arguing for Lebby and still saying Herman has character flaws.

Since you want specific examples of Lebby (something I didn't care to bring up):

1.At least one former Baylor student has reported she contacted Lebby directly after being slapped, kicked, choked and slammed against a wall by one of his running backs.

2. Lebby was involved in getting T-shirts made with #CAB on the front, which stood for Coach Art Briles.

3. Lebby brought Briles on the sideline after an OU game just this year.

Herman has nothing on that.

I know the Baylor situation as well. It is what it is. I'm not hashing that out.

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Did you read what I posted? I already address the lady who brought that allegation during the lawsuit trial. It's a direct contradiction to her previous depositions under oath, even in 2021 years after the fact, that she gave sworn testimony that she only discussed the players grades with Lebby. That's your #1 point? Failed

The t-shirts were his wife's idea and started by her in 2016 right after the firing. It also raised money for a victims advocacy of sexual assault. Is that his flaw standing by his wife and supporting her family at the time all this occurred? Monies also being raised for a victims advocacy group? The only flaw you could say is if he knew Art was covering it up, which there is absolutely no evidence for.

He apologized for Art being on the field with his family and the rest of the coaching staffs families. That's a character flaw?

Maybe you need to read up on what's a character flaw.