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10-08-2023, 09:02 AM
BankerDog

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Originally Posted by msstate7

This is what most won't address. Our previous staff screwed us much worse than the "country club" that was ridiculed daily

Friend makes Hev look like a Hall of Fame coach.

Since we have some boosters with their boys on this board, looking at RoseBowl34, we ought to see if Geoff Collins can at least come in to mentor Brock as an ?analyst??hell maybe even Hev too
10-08-2023, 09:19 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

Friend makes Hev look like a Hall of Fame coach.

Since we have some boosters with their boys on this board, looking at RoseBowl34, we ought to see if Geoff Collins can at least come in to mentor Brock as an ?analyst??hell maybe even Hev too

Yep!
10-08-2023, 09:41 AM
PMDawg

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

He's not connected in any way. He just can't admit when he's wrong.

Neither is Bucky. He's Will's Grandpa or Uncle, but that's about it.
10-08-2023, 09:55 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Yea I think we will end up averaging less per game this year than last year. Not a big amount though.

Right. Which is still a failure because Barbay was supposed to be clearly better. Which he is not.
10-08-2023, 09:58 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by msstate7

This is what most won't address. Our previous staff screwed us much worse than the "country club" that was ridiculed daily

Can you clarify? The guys that were fired off of Leach's staff were the ones that brought in four star receivers and QB's- and all of those QB's except for Parson were promptly run off.

Everyone is in agreement that the offense is better than the defense so are you saying that Arnett's staff screwed us over?
10-08-2023, 10:05 AM
Cooterpoot

Our offense is basically the same as last year. Our defense is one of the worst ever.
10-08-2023, 10:10 AM
Turfdawg67

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Can you clarify? The guys that were fired off of Leach's staff were the ones that brought in four star receivers and QB's- and all of those QB's except for Parson were promptly run off.

Everyone is in agreement that the offense is better than the defense so are you saying that Arnett's staff screwed us over?

He's saying we have a huge gap in talent on the defensive side because CML only cared about the 4* WRs and QBs. He was the head coach and his job to make sure we were good in all facets, not just offense. Granted, that's never been CML's M.O., and he was good enough to overcome it most years, but he too would be struggling this year with this defense.
10-08-2023, 10:12 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Our offense is basically the same as last year. Our defense is one of the worst ever.

No it ain't Cooter. We are scoring less. Last year, we were scoring right at 30 points per game. Average. Right now with all of cup cakes, 3 OCC behind us, 50% of games played and we are 3 points under last years.

Defense... that's even worse.
10-08-2023, 10:14 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

He's saying we have a huge gap in talent on the defensive side because CML only cared about the 4* WRs and QBs. He was the head coach and his job to make sure we were good in all facets, not just offense. Granted, that's never been CML's M.O., and he was good enough to overcome it most years, but he too would be struggling this year with this defense.

Was posted on this very board. It's BS that Leach caused us to not recruit DL or other positions. We actually had LESS WRs than the Jomo years did WRs/TEs.....
10-08-2023, 11:15 AM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

No it ain't Cooter. We are scoring less. Last year, we were scoring right at 30 points per game. Average. Right now with all of cup cakes, 3 OCC behind us, 50% of games played and we are 3 points under last years.

Defense... that's even worse.

No we are not. Our Offensive scoring was 28.4 ppg last season. We are at 29 offense only this season. Last I checked in my math book, 29 > 28.4. It's basically the same so far
10-08-2023, 11:29 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

No we are not. Our Offensive scoring was 28.4 ppg last season. We are at 29 offense only this season. Last I checked in my math book, 29 > 28.4. It's basically the same so far

https://www.teamrankings.com/college...ate=2023-10-10

Ranked 44th Miss State This year 26.6 2022 29.6

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College FB Team Points per Game
More Team Stats...

NOTE: The stats on this page include data ONLY from games involving two FBS schools.

We are not
10-08-2023, 11:35 AM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

https://www.teamrankings.com/college...ate=2023-10-10

Ranked 44th Miss State This year 26.6 2022 29.6

We are not

This year after yesterday:

http://www.cfbstats.com/2023/team/430/index.html

I removed our fumble recovery TD and extra point. That puts us at 29

We had 6 defensive and special teams TD's last season. Remove them and give that total average.
10-08-2023, 11:38 AM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

This year after yesterday:

http://www.cfbstats.com/2023/team/430/index.html

I removed our fumble recovery TD and extra point. That puts us at 29

And we aren?t getting the Defense and ST scores to add to the PPG like last year. That added 3 PPG to the total
10-08-2023, 11:53 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

This year after yesterday:

http://www.cfbstats.com/2023/team/430/index.html

I removed our fumble recovery TD and extra point. That puts us at 29

We had 6 defensive and special teams TD's last season. Remove them and give that total average.

I love that you want to add in the FCS schools. LOL. My link does not. It's FBS only. Also your link still shows us scoring less this year without the bulk of the SEC games.
10-08-2023, 12:11 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

I love that you want to add in the FCS schools. LOL. My link does not. It's FBS only. Also your link still shows us scoring less this year without the bulk of the SEC games.

I didn't add shit in, the site has all points on its total. But any other time you want to count all the games. Got it.

Without the East TN game last year and removing defensive and ST scores from last year, we averaged 26.75 per game. Almost identical as what we are averaging right now, 26.6. Doesn't that scare your mind into making you think, hey I've defended last years offense because it's so good but I think this years is so bad but they have nearly the same production...maybe I am AR brainwashed.

We still have a long way to go for our offense to be good, but it's similar to last years in actual points production so far.
10-08-2023, 12:13 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by msstate7

This is what most won't address. Our previous staff screwed us much worse than the "country club" that was ridiculed daily

Cant say it now. We all praised the classes when they were signed. They were not perfect not even close. But The last staff is miles miles miles better than the soap opera dick measuring contest we have going now.
10-08-2023, 12:32 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I didn't add shit in, the site has all points on its total. But any other time you want to count all the games. Got it.

Without the East TN game last year and removing defensive and ST scores from last year, we averaged 26.75 per game. Almost identical as what we are averaging right now, 26.6. Doesn't that scare your mind into making you think, hey I've defended last years offense because it's so good but I think this years is so bad but they have nearly the same production...maybe I am AR brainwashed.

We still have a long way to go for our offense to be good, but it's similar to last years in actual points production so far.

My link already takes out FCS opponents.
10-08-2023, 12:33 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I didn't add shit in, the site has all points on its total. But any other time you want to count all the games. Got it.

Without the East TN game last year and removing defensive and ST scores from last year, we averaged 26.75 per game. Almost identical as what we are averaging right now, 26.6. Doesn't that scare your mind into making you think, hey I've defended last years offense because it's so good but I think this years is so bad but they have nearly the same production...maybe I am AR brainwashed.

We still have a long way to go for our offense to be good, but it's similar to last years in actual points production so far.

Second, I did not defend the lack of a rushing attack. Have stated we lost to UK because of it. That's not excuse for this staff sucking it up for the sake of what?
10-08-2023, 12:35 PM
Santiago

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Originally Posted by Coach34

And we aren?t getting the Defense and ST scores to add to the PPG like last year. That added 3 PPG to the total

A week ago you said once we play Western Michigan our TOP will increase and our other stats. We bumped just a little.
We are still 113 in the nation in TOP..... the excuse Arnett said he was changing his offense.

We did increase by about 3 PPG after Saturday, but now you are about to hit the SEC games going forward. So you are comparing this point to all of last season...for perspective.

So Leach won 9 games last year, had double the TOP rankings improvement than this year, and we also scored within reason of the same PPG this season so far.
That TOP the last 2 seasons really helped Arnett with his defense not getting exposed any more than he had to.

Basically we are not anything significantly better on offense this season, and actually worse in controlling the time of possession (helping our weaker defense).
A group in the Bryan building and boosters just like this more, and wanted to nuke the old system.

And out of that campaign to nuke the other system, we promoted the DC to HC, who has really screwed up our defense.
We could have kept the offensive guys, and replaced the defensive coaches, but ....
That is the MSU way ***
10-08-2023, 12:36 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I didn't add shit in, the site has all points on its total. But any other time you want to count all the games. Got it.

Without the East TN game last year and removing defensive and ST scores from last year, we averaged 26.75 per game. Almost identical as what we are averaging right now, 26.6. Doesn't that scare your mind into making you think, hey I've defended last years offense because it's so good but I think this years is so bad but they have nearly the same production...maybe I am AR brainwashed.

We still have a long way to go for our offense to be good, but it's similar to last years in actual points production so far.

All of that is assuming our offensive performance wouldn't be better in year four of Leach. Which I think is a stretch given the receivers that we added that aren't being utilized.
10-08-2023, 01:04 PM
KB21

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Originally Posted by msstate7

This is what most won't address. Our previous staff screwed us much worse than the "country club" that was ridiculed daily

Yep. Leave it to the Leach hating, we have to run the ball every down crowd to try and pin the results of this season on Mike.
10-08-2023, 01:04 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

All of that is assuming our offensive performance wouldn't be better in year four of Leach. Which I think is a stretch given the receivers that we added that aren't being utilized.

Maybe but we were told that year 3 was the year it would take off as well. Year 3 didn't. Our best WR this year wasn't being utilized properly the previous years either. JRob being banged up hurts our outside. Zavion is fast...that's about it. Walley still drops passes with the previous staff and now. I thought Roberson and Moseley would have a bigger impact than they have. It's a hypothetical, we will never know.
10-08-2023, 01:11 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Maybe but we were told that year 3 was the year it would take off as well. Year 3 didn't. Our best WR this year wasn't being utilized properly the previous years either. JRob being banged up hurts our outside. Zavion is fast...that's about it. Walley still drops passes with the previous staff and now. I thought Roberson and Moseley would have a bigger impact than they have. It's a hypothetical, we will never know.

We jumped to 9 wins.
10-08-2023, 01:15 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

We jumped to 9 wins.

The offense, we were told the offense would take off in year 3. It didn't. That was what Todd and I were discussing. Thank you defense last year for being a big part of getting to 9 wins.
10-08-2023, 01:20 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by KB21

Yep. Leave it to the Leach hating, we have to run the ball every down crowd to try and pin the results of this season on Mike.

Yeah, it's the most rewrite of history I have seen with MSU football.
10-08-2023, 01:20 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

The offense, we were told the offense would take off in year 3. It didn't. That was what Todd and I were discussing. Thank you defense last year for being a big part of getting to 9 wins.

We won 9. That's taking off.
10-08-2023, 01:27 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

We won 9. That's taking off.

Yeah the defense did, the offense not so much. Again, has zero to do with what Todd and I were discussing.

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