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Sure, but there is nothing to show he can run a program and keep it at that level and / or grow it. Nothing showing he can recruit a team for multiple years worth of talent. More to being an SEC HC than calling offensive plays.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
Naw. He wins nobody cares. If Mullen hadn't lost to USA, the shorts would have never been brought up.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
That's equally as true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
No retreads. I'm not interested in a ceiling of mediocre and a floor of mediocre. There are plenty of good, quality candidates that would love a shot at coaching an SEC team. The problem is the NIL, and some of them won't want to live in Starkville. But we've shown that we'll pay for a quality head coach, so that will generate some interest. We just need to do our homework, find the quality people that are interested, and then negotiate from a position of strength. It can be done, we just have to play our cards right.
Going to have to take a chance on someone who is an up and coming coach who may not have head coaching experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joebob
I hardly ever agree with KB on anything but he is spot on with this. Joggers and $500 shoes and our fans would scream and whine that he does not look professional. He needs to be wearing a sport coat and boots. That is all I heard Week 1 how Arnett looked so good in his sport coat and boots. He looked like a coach. Hell, it does not matter!!! McDaniel puts up a metric 17ton of yards and points. He also wears Yeezys, Jordans, Joggers, and Air Force 1s. There is ZERO correlation in how a coach dresses and how he coaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
McDaniel would be too nerdy for some MSU fans.
We would be lucky to get Malzahn. He is a good coach. Hope he brings a whole new staff with him
I don't get it, because I know you aren't one of the ones who believes we need run the ball all the time or even establish the run. Gus Malzahn has no clue about passing offense. None. He can't develop QBs that aren't pure runners at all. I don't want a scheme where everything is based around the running game and the QB's ability to run.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
I want to win and he does that.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
I think you have to be able to do both when youve gotta have it. Thats what balance is to me
I?d beg Dan to come back before I went to Malzahn.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
If McDaniel had some chicken coops, he might pull this off at MSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Well he's probably waiting on Arkansas to open up so I doubt he comes here anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Arkansas will make a run at Deion and a few other big names and then they will circle back to Malzahn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
If Arkansas makes a move I can see them rolling the dice on Lebby.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I’d like to role the dice on Deion. I wanted to see what he did at a bigger program and I love what he says and what he does and what he is teaching those kids. I also think he is the only coach that truly understands how to coach NIL college football he is testing those boys like they were all treated in the NFL and these other coaches haven’t grasped that yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
Unless we are ready to pay 8 mil plus we will not sniff Deion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick91
I?d rather have Mullen than Malzahn agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Not happening now. Waste of time. I would call Gundy Malzahn and Mullen before Deion. Just dont see Colorado letting anyone out bid them for himQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I'd rather blow Davis wade up than hire Mullen, malzahn or Gundy. WTH are y'all even thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
No way they get Deion because of Deion's contract. He's not going to pay Colorado 15 million to go to Arkansas.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
The Hunt family, the Walton family, or Tyson family would pay that in 5 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Bingo. It was about the casual attitude it signified. If he'd won, we'd have hailed him as a trendsetter with the guts to wear shorts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
I would think we did great if we hired any of the following...
1. Jamey Chadwell
2. GJ Kinne
3. Dave Clawson
I like guys that are consistently winning at lower tier schools without major advantages.
I am honestly stunned that people are saying Malzahn, Petrino, etc. I'd rather have Mullen back than either, but I'd rather have one of the above instead. Chadwell seems like the perfect guy to me....45ish, wins everywhere he goes, Southernish roots. I don't know if it's realistic to get Chadwell, but that would be great.
Jonathan Smith would be great, but he has never ventured out of the Northwest, and is at his alma mater, so I'm not thinking he is realistic either.
Kinne would also be a home run. I know he hasn't stayed in one place very long, but you can't blame the guy for wanting to climb. Let us be his entry into the SEC, bc he will get it at some point. Texas roots, young innovative guy....would love this hire.
A young up and coming offensive genius, or a coach that has shown the consistency of overachieving at disadvantaged programs....that's my targets.
Best list of potential coaches I have seen so far. I don?t know much about Kinne but Chadwell and Clawson would be homerun hires and exactly what we need if Arnett doesn?t work out. I?m still willing to give Arnett until the end of the year though to see if he can fix thingsQuote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
After watching the Liberty/App State game I'd 100% be down with Chadwell.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Got to get that triple option to Mississippi State. QBs and WRs will love playing in that scheme.
You just named two of the most expensive positions to recruit to in the NIL world we live in.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Top flight kids don't care about system, they care about NIL.
For MSU to be good at football the QB must be dual threat because it is the only way to even the playing field against SEC defenses when we don't have equal talent at all of the other positions. If you don't realize that, I can't help you.
Stonka is the best WR commit we have had in a long time and he didn't commit to a pure air raid offense, so I'm not sure you have a point.
Oh, I absolutely have a point. Good WRs aren't going to play in an offense where their touches will be limited due to scheme. Same goes for good QBs. It appears some of you want a particular style because you have that age long belief that many Mississippi State fans have that say we can't recruit QBs and WRs well enough to throw the football. When you say dual threat, you are really saying a QB that can run whether he can actually throw or not. Because true dual threat QBs who can operate and excel in the passing game are few and far between.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
This is the only thing you said that I agree with. They are extremely rare and are very expensive. We cannot swim in those NIL waters.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
I don't have a preference for an offense at MSU except I don't want a triple option, pro-style or pure air raid. You can't be successful with those styles in the SEC on a consistent basis. I'm fine with a modified Air Raid with read option concepts, I'm fine with an option attack out of the shotgun with read option passing plays.
On pure football level, for MSU to be successful offensively, we need a QB that can get first downs with their feet as well as their arm. We need someone that can convert 3rd and 3 with their legs sometimes. The best teams at schools like MSU - Arkansas (Matt Jones), AU (Cam, Marshall), bears (Kelly, Corral) SC (Garcia) and A&M (Manziel) all mobile QB's that could throw that leveled the playing field. IT is no coincidence that our best years 2009, 2014 and 2015 we had a mobile QB.
Did you mean 1999?Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Also, look at the history of MSU QBs. There is a reason that the offense with Dak is probably the best we have ever seen at Mississippi State. He could throw the ball, throw it accurately, and excel in the passing game. Nick Fitzgerald couldn't. Chris Relf couldn't. Go back to the days of Derrick Taite. He couldn't.
Free article on genespage yesterday on every transfer out since 2019 and their performance at their new schools. Those 3 highly ranked Texas QB's (Two 4's and a mid 3, I think), have been busts to boot. In fact the only real loss to date may be RaRa. He only has a dozen catches so far but his ypc is impressive. Recruiting, as we know so well, is a real crap shoot for us. Those average of about 51% of our recruits who left the last 3 years have not made a contribution anywhere , some out of football. Makes me think we have had very poor evaluation of our commits the last three years.
Good list outside of Clawson. He's fine, I'm just not a massive fan of his in general. It's a boring hire. I get that he's at Wake Forest, but he's just been meh outside of 1 year.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
I'd rather grab a Chadwell or Huff type at this juncture over Clawson. Give me someone younger with some energy about them. I think Kinne is a stud in the waiting possibly. It's risky though. Just depends on what type of risk we are willing to take. Chadwell is a safer hire than Kinne, but would be ecstatic for either.
I like Kinne as well. My biggest issue with him is he is only 1 year in D1 as HC. And he can't recruit. Or he can but he's never stayed longer than a year anywhere to know if he can or if he has a good recruiting plan to build a program upon.
There's definitely some give and take with him. He showed the ability to use the portal extremely effectively. His lack of experience (and big time football experience) and questionable recruiting ability is worrisome. His defense sucks this year so does he have the connections to hire a legit DC too? The offense is a no doubter though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Good luck trying to attract WRs and QBs to Chadwell's spread triple option offense.
Im glad you finally used a semi correct term for his offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
I think Kaidon Salter and Grayson McCall would disagree though.
Neither one of those QBs can operate a drop back passing scheme.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoachT14
You would shit a brick because he doesn't run AR and runs the ball almost as much as he passesQuote:
Originally Posted by KB21
LOL at the idea that McDaniel is running a run first offense in Miami.