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10-02-2023, 01:43 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

BS. OL is getting better and better. Our TB's went for 6 ypc vs Bama. That's strong and shows their improvement

No they are not! They are not grasping the pass protection in this system.
10-02-2023, 01:43 PM
R2Dawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

BS. OL is getting better and better. Our TB's went for 6 ypc vs Bama. That's strong and shows their improvement

That is true; Bama is good on D. Just no int and Bama game is totally different game. You could say the same for LSU game too.
10-02-2023, 01:44 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by confucius say

He has the weakest arm in the conference. He has positive attributes, but arm strength is not one of them.

Either it's weak or it's not. Did he throw bombs against USC? What allowed that to happen?
10-02-2023, 01:45 PM
R2Dawg

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

No they are not! They are not grasping the pass protection in this system.

You mean like they did so well in the AR system?

Rogers has time to throw as much as any other QB in conf. The other QBs in conf just run around and buy time to throw but we can't do that. When a team blitzes and as QB you don't adjust that is on you not the OL.
10-02-2023, 01:58 PM
Really Clark?

Blacklisted, stepping up and throwing the ball 40 yards in the air doesn't mean he is strong enough to throw a 15 yard out into tight coverage from the opposite hash. That's where arm strength is measured. Doesn't mean he can't complete a lot of different types of passes but he doesn't have the strength to complete every pass. It's who he is and that's fine. But he is average at best in arm strength. At best.
10-02-2023, 01:59 PM
Santiago

The good ole boy system of hiring your buddies , and pushing to go back to something a HS coach knows how to run, is what has me pulling my NIL donations this week. The decisions in the off season by admin and coaches is just backward thinking, but it gets buddies hired.

These posts trying to pump up the staff, but yet the same posters totally mocked the previous Hall of fame coach, seems like more of the good ole boy system going on this staff and adminstration.
For every sunshine post about this staff and 1997, it just reminds me of this is the same administration that hired Cohen as AD.
10-02-2023, 02:06 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Santiago

The good ole boy system of hiring your buddies , and pushing to go back to something a HS coach knows how to run, is what has me pulling my NIL donations this week. The decisions in the off season by admin and coaches is just backward thinking, but it gets buddies hired.

These posts trying to pump up the staff, but yet the same posters totally mocked the previous Hall of fame coach, seems like more of the good ole boy system going on this staff and adminstration.
For every sunshine post about this staff and 1997, it just reminds me of this is the same administration that hired Cohen as AD.

Don't do that. The players and the future is much bigger than a bad half season. There are issues at every program and some of the same things our fans talk about are the exact same issues everywhere. The difference is at some schools, they increase their financial support to overcome the perceived problems, not pull away support.
10-02-2023, 02:08 PM
Biguglyjoe

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Originally Posted by Coach34

What exactly should he have done in 6 months besides fundraise, network, get his staff in place, and develop a relationship with the coaches of each sport?

Did you really quote me but delete my first sentence where I said I don't have social media and I haven't been following his efforts closely and said I was asking a serious question? Come on, man. Again, I have no idea what he's done because I have not been following his efforts closely. Thank you for indirectly answering my question, I guess.
10-02-2023, 02:22 PM
Santiago

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Don't do that. The players and the future is much bigger than a bad half season. There are issues at every program and some of the same things our fans talk about are the exact same issues everywhere. The difference is at some schools, they increase their financial support to overcome the perceived problems, not pull away support.

I don't want to, and I respect Charlie for all he does.
But the stupid stuff like the offseason decisions by staff and admin is a sign we have a bigger problem. We have too much good ole boy going on. The OP on this thread is inadvertently showing just how much so.
There needs to be a cleaning of the house alright, and chief of staff, and all these that have pushed for a total 180 from last year in a season of seniors that only know that system, is stupidity.
10-02-2023, 02:28 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Either it's weak or it's not. Did he throw bombs against USC? What allowed that to happen?

No. The furthest ball he threw was a touch throw 46 yards in the air. That's not indicative of a strong arm. I've done that a lot. Not always with timing and accuracy mind you, but still. Throwing a ball 46 yards doesn't prove you have a strong arm for sec standards.
10-02-2023, 02:31 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Santiago

I don't want to, and I respect Charlie for all he does.
But the stupid stuff like the offseason decisions by staff and admin is a sign we have a bigger problem. We have too much good ole boy going on. The OP on this thread is inadvertently showing just how much so.
There needs to be a cleaning of the house alright, and chief of staff, and all these that have pushed for a total 180 from last year in a season of seniors that only know that system, is stupidity.

I get the frustration. But pulling NIL support makes the problem worse for the next coach too if we make a change, and makes it harder for this staff to win. I encourage us all to be a part of the solution, not a part of the problem
10-02-2023, 03:48 PM
BHildreth3

IMO, a lot of the freak out is also due to OleMiss and Kiffin's success. It always feels worse when OleMiss is having a better year.
10-02-2023, 04:03 PM
bobcat91

Are you on the dole? Arnett is putting a Croom level team on the field and should and will be fired at the end of the season. He has no business being a HC anywhere. I do believe will will be better in baseball, but not much. Selmon gets to make two hires this time
10-02-2023, 04:26 PM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by BHildreth3

IMO, a lot of the freak out is also due to OleMiss and Kiffin's success. It always feels worse when OleMiss is having a better year.

Or, that were probably about 6 inches away from being 1-4 right now, got destroyed by a bad LSU team, and manhandle by a mediocre AL team. We need to go on a win streak to change opinions. We've been dog shit so far.
10-02-2023, 04:46 PM
Santiago

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Originally Posted by confucius say

I get the frustration. But pulling NIL support makes the problem worse for the next coach too if we make a change, and makes it harder for this staff to win. I encourage us all to be a part of the solution, not a part of the problem

I appreciate you for saying this. I don't understand all the cheerleading for this staff.
My next comment is definitely debatable even by me, but they could have promoted an offensive staff member , and kept Arnett at DC and had probably much better results than this. Hindsight and all that though. But again, the admin and alumni pulling these strings is disheartening.
10-02-2023, 05:01 PM
vindastra

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Originally Posted by Santiago

I appreciate you for saying this. I don't understand all the cheerleading for this staff.
My next comment is definitely debatable even by me, but they could have promoted an offensive staff member , and kept Arnett at DC and had probably much better results than this. Hindsight and all that though. But again, the admin and alumni pulling these strings is disheartening.

The staff have been universally denounced by everyone here (except "InsiderInformation34"). So, you should take that back.
10-02-2023, 05:03 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Santiago

I appreciate you for saying this. I don't understand all the cheerleading for this staff.
My next comment is definitely debatable even by me, but they could have promoted an offensive staff member , and kept Arnett at DC and had probably much better results than this. Hindsight and all that thought. But again, the admin and alumni pulling these strings is disheartening.

There was no offensive staff member qualified. Remember Leach was grooming CZA to be a HC, not any of his offensive staff members. Or not to the extent that he saw them being ready for that role yet.
10-02-2023, 05:04 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

No they are not! They are not grasping the pass protection in this system.

Will Rogers sucks
10-02-2023, 05:04 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Either it's weak or it's not. Did he throw bombs against USC? What allowed that to happen?

Will Rogers sucks
10-02-2023, 07:15 PM
Percho

One man's opinion

We could go out and dig up Knute Rockne, Bear Bryant or Woody Hayes, hire him at beginning of season and would have to fire, before the season is over.

Fans and Players.

Those three coaches would probably kill two or three of these pansy fans and players in a year time.
10-02-2023, 08:17 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Coach34

andddddddd there we go. Between this and the Airbone Cult- this is what is driving most of the angst

You are blatantly avoiding facts or you are ignorant. This staff lied to some families and players. When you take your shot youd better hit it. We arent. The angst is because we are worse at everything. And I mean everything with a lot of the same players
10-02-2023, 08:20 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Coach34

BS. OL is getting better and better. Our TB's went for 6 ypc vs Bama. That's strong and shows their improvement

Passing yards dont count. Especially checkdowns. But running yards per carry in a 40-17 loss do. Got it
10-02-2023, 08:22 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

You mean like they did so well in the AR system?

Rogers has time to throw as much as any other QB in conf. The other QBs in conf just run around and buy time to throw but we can't do that. When a team blitzes and as QB you don't adjust that is on you not the OL.

Yes. Exactly what they did in the AR. The proof is there for all to see that wants to. 1 sack per 24 passing attempts last year. This year it's 1 in 10. And NO, he does not have as much time.

Run a simple search and find out how long a QB needs for PA passing. He's not getting that at all.
10-02-2023, 08:22 PM
THE Bruce Dickinson

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Originally Posted by confucius say

He has the weakest arm in the conference. He has positive attributes, but arm strength is not one of them.

Correct. I liked the Air Raid but didn't think we had to run it forever once we made a coaching change. What I am upset about is that the panic hire head coach that was supposedly promoted so that we could keep continuity and then completely blows up an offense that worked and our entire team was recruited to run.

If we were just going to pull a complete 180 we should have gone with a real head coach and not a B list defensive coordinator from within.

Gene34 is too much of a narcissist to admit that this offense that he raved all off season about isn't producing.

All smiles and rainbows. Maine had a lot of talent guys***
10-02-2023, 08:25 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

There was no offensive staff member qualified. Remember Leach was grooming CZA to be a HC, not any of his offensive staff members. Or not to the extent that he saw them being ready for that role yet.

Really does not matter now. He is the coach and he has royally screw us with his decisions.
10-03-2023, 06:36 AM
CoachT14

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Originally Posted by Coach34

1. We lost to Bama as we always do
2. We lost to LSU as we normally do with a few wins sprinkled in here and there (3-12 in the last 15)
3. We lost on the road in the SEC to the East team as we usually do (2-7 the last 8 years)
4. We beat both OOC teams

But we have people freaking out and losing their minds. Literally nothing has changed with State football under Arnett. You guys acting like this is Croom like are insane

My favorite part of all the people defending Sylvester Arnett and company are literally just looking at the jerseys and saying ?Aww shucks? we always lose to them. It?s okay.?

It?s such a loser mentality. But not only that it?s straight up ignoring reality.

This Bama team is arguably the worst one Saban has had since his first couple of years. This LSU team defensively is 13th in the SEC in YPG, 13th in PPG, 11th in first downs. USC is 14th in YPG, 11th in PPG, 13th in First Downs.

But yeah it?s just normal LSU and that Carolina team is great.

Arnett was the leader of the defense and now that defense sucks. Please explain to me why should we keep a defensive head coach who?s defense sucks?

But it?s fine. Everyone knows why you?re defending them. Congrats on you getting to hob knob again with the coaching staff.
10-03-2023, 07:12 AM
CoachT14

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

There was no offensive staff member qualified. Remember Leach was grooming CZA to be a HC, not any of his offensive staff members. Or not to the extent that he saw them being ready for that role yet.

Leach was grooming Arnett? Lol.

You still believe that silly story that was rumored that Leach left a note that says trust Zach? Lol.
10-03-2023, 07:20 AM
msudawg1200

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

Correct. I liked the Air Raid but didn't think we had to run it forever once we made a coaching change. What I am upset about is that the panic hire head coach that was supposedly promoted so that we could keep continuity and then completely blows up an offense that worked and our entire team was recruited to run.

If we were just going to pull a complete 180 we should have gone with a real head coach and not a B list defensive coordinator from within.

Gene34 is too much of a narcissist to admit that this offense that he raved all off season about isn't producing.

This is the most truthful post I've ever read on this board.
10-03-2023, 08:26 AM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

Leach was grooming Arnett? Lol.

You still believe that silly story that was rumored that Leach left a note that says trust Zach? Lol.

No dingleberry, but I believe what was told to me a year before coach passed away and during the season when coach was sick. And that was from multiple people, including an offensive coach on the staff at the time.
10-03-2023, 08:57 AM
Offshore Dawg

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Originally Posted by sandjunky

Mississippi State University - The Dollar General of the SEC

this sadly is factually funny.
10-03-2023, 08:58 AM
Political Hack

We traded the air raid offense for the air raid defense... and this is a good thing?

Kentucky and Auburn and A&M are going to absolutely dismantle us. S. Car is the only SEC game we've shown a pulse in. Arkansas is our best chance to win an SEC game this season. Buckle up. It's going to be a long and painful ride this year ending in an absolute lashing by Mr Kiffin.

Is it basketball season yet?
10-03-2023, 08:59 AM
CoachT14

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

No dingleberry, but I believe what was told to me a year before coach passed away and during the season when coach was sick. And that was from multiple people, including an offensive coach on the staff at the time.

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10-03-2023, 09:03 AM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

We traded the air raid offense for the air raid defense... and this is a good thing?

Kentucky and Auburn and A&M are going to absolutely dismantle us. S. Car is the only SEC game we've shown a pulse in. Arkansas is our best chance to win an SEC game this season. Buckle up. It's going to be a long and painful ride this year ending in an absolute lashing by Mr Kiffin.

Is it basketball season yet?

If Kiffin can lay 70 on us, he will. By the fourth quarter the only fans in DWS will be ole miss fans.

Hopefully that will be enough for Selmon to end this experiment in cluster****ery.
10-03-2023, 09:09 AM
CoachT14

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

If Kiffin can lay 70 on us, he will. By the fourth quarter the only fans in DWS will be ole miss fans.

Hopefully that will be enough for Selmon to end this experiment in cluster****ery.

They will put up 50 bare minimum. This isn't the normal year where we play Ole Miss well no matter the record. They are going to skull drag this team. We will be 4-7 with nothing to play for. Arnett is going to continue trotting Will Rogers out there to the detriment of the team and program and the guys are just going to quit.

I'm thinking 59-24 sounds right. We will move it enough offensively and score some garbage TDs late.
10-03-2023, 09:14 AM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

https://media.tenor.com/DozZTQmVXIEA...john-candy.gif

Believe what you want, the note thing was some joke from Draft Day that got turned into reality on message boards.
10-03-2023, 09:33 AM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

They will put up 50 bare minimum. This isn't the normal year where we play Ole Miss well no matter the record. They are going to skull drag this team. We will be 4-7 with nothing to play for. Arnett is going to continue trotting Will Rogers out there to the detriment of the team and program and the guys are just going to quit.

I'm thinking 59-24 sounds right. We will move it enough offensively and score some garbage TDs late.

Or we have a 2009 scenario. Arnett puts Mike Wright out there in the second half running option with Marks. It looks like a totally different offense. Golding can't stop the option, Marks is a beast and Wright hits some deep passes. This board implodes.
10-03-2023, 09:49 AM
CoachT14

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Or we have a 2009 scenario. Arnett puts Mike Wright out there in the second half running option with Marks. It looks like a totally different offense. Golding can't stop the option, Marks is a beast and Wright hits some deep passes. This board implodes.

I'll have to see it to believe it that they will actually make the change.
10-03-2023, 09:58 AM
Santiago

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

No dingleberry, but I believe what was told to me a year before coach passed away and during the season when coach was sick. And that was from multiple people, including an offensive coach on the staff at the time.

If anything Mason Miller was the most ready to keep running the system and modify it. The great thing about running a system that attracts passing QB's and WR's is that if you lose an OC you can replace with the same system OC and not lose recruiting.
10-03-2023, 10:26 AM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Santiago

If anything Mason Miller was the most ready to keep running the system and modify it. The great thing about running a system that attracts passing QB's and WR's is that if you lose an OC you can replace with the same system OC and not lose recruiting.

Ah, no he wasn't. There is a reason he had to drop all the way back to FCS to be an OC. Love him as an OL coach for the AR. Maybe in 5 years we will see where he is at. Honestly the only one somewhat qualified was Drew but I would have not promoted from within either.
10-03-2023, 10:36 AM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Santiago

If anything Mason Miller was the most ready to keep running the system and modify it. The great thing about running a system that attracts passing QB's and WR's is that if you lose an OC you can replace with the same system OC and not lose recruiting.

lol- yeah. We should have the Tarleton State OC as our OC. Holy crap

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