Including choking and biting her. That is some whole other level stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
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Including choking and biting her. That is some whole other level stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Laughable? You're moving the goal post to support your argument. I never compared their transgressions on who'swas worse, I simply stated that Jans came in with an off the court negative situation too that caused him to miss out on big head coaching jobs. It's just facts, it's all on Google just like Beards situation is. I'm not condoning either situation, they were both wrong..... Back to the coaching, Beard can recruit and coach, he got Texas Tech to the National Championship game and recruited a bunch of 4 star guys to that program.. took over Texas and got them a bunch of 4 and 5 star guys and was on his way to a great season until he made the dumb decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteelCurtain74
I'm not one of those State fans that won't speak the truth about where we sit vs. Where Ole Miss sits, and speaking only from a coaching and recruiting standpoint Beard has an edge on Jans in the recruiting department as of now... Jans has the chance to correct it though, there are a ton of great players out there but time is ticking away.
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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
We have two spots. You're acting like we're like OM with 7. Again TWO SPOTS. We have to be picky. We'll be fine. Funny story, I was at The Final Four and all the coaches there for the convention were talking about a coach in Mississippi. You want to guess who it was? Hint, it wasn't Chris Beard. Chris Jans is 10x more highly thought of in the coaching profession than Beard. He was more highly thought before the BG incident and was more highly thought of after because of what he and Gregg Marshall did at Wichita. So your opinion may be that Beard is a better coach. That opinion is not shared by a majority of college basketball coaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN
Why wouldn't you though? Compare it. Beating the shit out of a woman is literally 10,000,000 times worse than getting a little too handsy with one. And it wasn't even the women in the bar who complained about Jans, it was a self-imposter booster with an axe to grind.Quote:
Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN
Like yes, it was wrong of him to disrespect his wife by flirting with other women, and it was extremely unprofessional behavior for a highly-paid leader and all that, but to say we can't judge Beard because of Jans is laughable. All wrongs aren't equal, and it's ridiculous to just shrug it off with a "well they both had a situation where they were wrong" as if they are.
If you go back and read I said that they are both good coaches but the Beard edges Jans out in recruiting, those were my words. Beard is currently more decorated than Jans, he's won on a higher level. That doesn't mean Jans can't catch him. And I get that we only have 1 or 2 available spots unless someone else leaves... but Jans can't fill those remaining spots with guys like Reed, Horton, Jones. We really need to go get a bona-fide scorer or two because that's what we lacked badly this season. Hubbard should help in that department but it's always tough counting on a FreshmanQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
They were both fired from their respective schools for off the court incidents involving women. Some would call Jans a pervert and classless for being sloppy drunk in public and grabbing on womens asses, the report said eye witnesses said Jans was sloppy drunk and making inappropriate advances towards several women, hell one of the encounters was on video.. if your daughter was one of those women you might feel it was just as bad as what Beard allegedly did.. I have a daughter so Id be ready to kill the guy...Bomani Jones called him out when it happened and basically said Jans ruined his career over it, luckily Jans got back on his feet and I'm glad he's our coach, we all make mistakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
I'm not defending Beard or Jans but how are we bashing their coach when our coach has a past too?
... because not all wrongs are equivalent. You can't just take two wildly different events and shrug it off like "they both have a past."Quote:
Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN
I have a young daughter myself. If one day she marries a man who disrespects her one time like Jans did, I would be mad at him but I think i could eventually move on if she does (and like the Janses apparently have). If one day she marries a man who disrespects her like Beard did, he would need a restraining order against me for his own protection.
I'm not understanding your obsession with comparing what both did. Obviously what Beard was accused of doing was foolish and wrong, it got dropped, he was able to get another job, the NCAA's didn't ban him, good for him. Jans got punished, got a new job at NMSU moved on to us, good for him. They were both dumb for their situations but again they both got fired and moved on, There's really nothing else to say on it. Your trying to make it about what thing was worse but both were dumb as hellQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Agreed that a married man getting consensually handsy with women in a bar is "dumb as hell" but beating the shit out of a woman goes way beyond "dumb as hell."Quote:
Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN
It's not "obsession" to point out the objective fact that one of these is so much worse than the other.
Beard is totally accepted on the plantation. They only care about perception and thoughts of winning.
I completely disagree that one is much worse than the other, beating the hell out of your wife is absolutely bad but it was dropped for whatever reason. A married man drunk in a bar and grabbing women's asses, especially if it was unwanted, really isn't that far off and is a form of sexual harassment. Here was a snippet of what Jans did allegedly:Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
"On one occasion he grabbed a woman's head and pushed it downward towards his crotch," the alumnus told Kingston in the correspondence, obtained by The Huffington Post. Later, "he made advances toward another female, petted her backside and proceeded to ask/tell her to walk in front of him so that he could evaluate her assets." In the three-page letter, Kingston notes Jans admitted touching two women "in a way that attracted public attention." (According to the letter, Jans said he pulled a woman's head toward his body.)
I think its completely ridiculous for any of our fans to bash Beard but not Jans when both of them were dumb for their actions, I just don't understand why you want to keep comparing which was worse when both were stupid and both were fired.
I say you should simply drop the conversation.
Can we get back to talking about who were after in the portal? That was actually an interesting conversation!
Getting back on point, Reeves committing to Ga Tech was a bit of a shock so I think that reset the board a bit. A lot will depend on what Tolu does because if he leaves obviously we'll need a big. Otherwise we're trying to find a combo guard and a 3 and D type of playerQuote:
Originally Posted by Tripp McNeely
I say you are correct, I shouldn't have gone that far down the rabbit hole on the subjectQuote:
Originally Posted by Pancho
Anyways it sounds like we have 2 available spots open if no one else leaves, we were in the running for several players who have since committed elsewhere. We could use a pure scorer and a knock down shooter, preferably from high major programs who are used to the spotlight. Not sure about McNair yet but getting another solid big never hurts either, especially when injuries happen
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I don't think we were ready to take Reeves until we know what DJ is 100% doingQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Yea that's probably true. DJ needs to go ahead and make a decision though and if he's undecided we've got to move forward on the assumption that he won't be back. We can't be held hostage by players with this stuff. We need to be proactive at a certain point. I don't mind giving them a week or two, but any longer than that and we need to go ahead and move on. No player is bigger than the program.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tripp McNeely
I have always been a huge Jans fan since we hired him and I still think he is a home run hire and will do great things at State. At the same time, nobody can argue the fact that Beard has performed on a much higher level to date. That does not mean Jans can’t do the same thing after a few years of developing a program. Beards incident carries a much higher baggage level though and much more criticism amongst the sports world. The thing people fail to realize is that schools no longer care about that stuff. If that was the case, Freeze would not be coaching at Auburn and people would not be trying to rumor Art Briles for jobs.
Yeah but in Beard?s case the charges were dropped, so you have to take that into consideration. In Freeze?s case, outside of the cheating which Pearl was doing at UT, no criminal charges were filed. Everybody ?cheats?, but if there were criminal charges filed and they went to court that?s different. We hired JWS, and he had NCAA baggage. I get what you?re saying, but I think if Beard went to court I?m not sure OM hires him.
That's Art and Kendall's representation starting every last one of those rumors. Right when Kendall was hired out here at TCU I had heard some rumors that some were trying to push for Briles to get an off field consulting role. The next day that guy told me that you would've thought they were trying to hire Ted Bundy with the backlash they were getting.....and TCU is private. Briles got caught up in all the Me Too stuff and it sank him. I'd hire Art tomorrow if the baggage didn't exist. He's one of the brightest offensive minds in football, but no athletic dept is ready for the shitstorm that will be unloaded on them when you pull the trigger on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
Yep, even Grambling couldn't withstand it. He may always be too toxic at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Good post, I agree completelyQuote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
So are gonna get a transfer or roll it back with last year's team plus signees?
We signed 3 high school guys and 2 Juco players so I think we still have 2 spots available depending on what Tolu and McNair do, it may be more.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I hope Jans goes and gets a proven scorer or two out of the portal
Any word on filling our remaining 2/3 spots yet? I see alot of good players we were on committing elsewhere.
People got mad the last time I brought up Beard and his recruiting at Ole Miss but he just got Jamarion Sharp from Western Kentucky out of the portal. For people unfamiliar with him he is 7'5" but can move, he is a game changer defensively averaging over 4 blocks a game
I know we don't have a ton of spots open but we need to fill the open ones with talent. Waiting on Tolu's decision isn't helping much either
Beard has got 3 4-star transfers now. Jans better step up...Quote:
Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN
May not have wanted to come back but I really wished we could have got Stans back as an assistant to help Jans with recruiting
Exactly, I think Beard and Jans can both coach really well but Beard is a really good recruiter and Jans scares me in that area.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Stans is a heck of a recruiter himself but would he come back to work under someone else after being HC at State?Quote:
Originally Posted by civildawg
I would love for Stans to be a recruiting coordinator for Jans but just make his job solely off the court. And pay Stans well to do it. I wouldn’t want him infecting Jans ability to floor coach though
Doesn't matter now. He's off to MemphisQuote:
Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN
The transfers Beard has gotten are solid, but I don?t think they are elite.
Wow, I didn't know that.. he will help themQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Agree they aren't elite but they are better than the Jamel Horton, DeShawn Davis, Eric Reed, Will Mcnair types. I'd take four high major 4 star players anyday.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZedFedder
I'm just worried Jans is going to wait too late like last year and we end up getting the leftover portal guys. As of now unless one of these JUCO guys he is bringing in are really good, we are still very limited offensively, especially at the guard positions.
I agree with you there. I think Davis was a good get, and McNair was way better than I thought he would be.Quote:
Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN
What's the deadline for portal players to choose a new school, May 15th? Time is winding down and we need proven scorers at the D1 level. It's becoming a concern.
May 11th is the deadline to withdraw so we have about 2 weeks. I agree its somewhat concerning especially seeing alot of our top targets are committing elsewhereQuote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton