We may can very well do better than lane.
But one thing he has that we need is toughness. We've become a soft program. I don't think lemonis is really a soft person, but foxhall I believe is and that is showing in our pitching staff.
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We may can very well do better than lane.
But one thing he has that we need is toughness. We've become a soft program. I don't think lemonis is really a soft person, but foxhall I believe is and that is showing in our pitching staff.
Toughness is a personal mindset. You either have it or you don't. It's not something that can be taught. We've got some tough guys on our team. We just don't have anyone that will go jump down someone's ass. We don't have a Brent Rooker, Hunter Renfroe, or a Landon Sims who were just straight up ALPHAS. They had a quiet confidence until it was time to step up, but if they had to jump in someone's ass they would do it. Cohen's teams had that in spades. I mean those early teams would fight you. From the coaches down. We just don't have that anymore. Cohen's toughness just permeated the program. He fought for his guys and they fought for him. They didn't have to be taught how to do it, because Cohen knew what he wanted when he was recruiting guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Now I'm not advocating going out there and picking a fight with Vandy on Friday, mostly because it would probably just be a slap fest because I'm not real sure anyone on this current roster outside of like 5 people even know how to throw a punch.
Good grief, man. His issues were already having an impact on the team. That kind of thing will take you down at some point, and it had already gotten in the way of him doing his job. You saw him coach baseball at State for one year. Anyone can do it for one year. He has proven he isn't someone you can trust to build a program, at any level. Why on earth would you want to hire the guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Toughness, Winning, Recruiting. Kind of a take your pic thing. If I have to put safeguards in to make sure his head is on straight then I figure that out. Again, none of that really matters because I am not the AD. So my opinion is just as valid as yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Lemonis won a ton his first 2 full years as coach and took us to heights we've never seen. Then the whole thing started unraveling. Why? Because he seems to lack the ability to truly build and sustain a program, which is what any head coach must do.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
You saw one season of Cannizaro, and it was already unraveling before our very eyes. Yet you want that guy back? He's given you every indication he does not have the discipline, self-control, and leadership qualities necessary to build a program.
Toughness can absolutely be brought out in certain kids. Now some kids don't need to have it brought out, they are just like that 24/7. But not all.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
You can take the same group of kids and change leadership and see a difference in toughness. That's because toughness is largely mental. It happens every year. Heck, look at Jans vs Howland. Same kids.
Maybe extreme toughness can?t be taught, but being tougher in general can 100% be taught. The level that gets to is up to the individual. One main way is overcoming some adversity, not quitting when things get hard. Best to learn at a young age, but can be improved on through life.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Cohen definitely instilled that.
BINGO. You hit the nail on the head. All of these kids have been the best players on their teams since they were 10 years old. Adversity really has never been a thing for them. They were miles better than 99% of the guys they played in high school and they were better than most of the kids they played against in travel ball. The last two years have been some of these kids first time to ever have a losing record since they started playing baseball. I'm just not sure we have guys who can overcome that adversity. I mean you look at our best teams and they all faced adversity at some point in their 3-4 years at State.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPMT
85- Get beat by UNO in 84 at home in the Regional Final.
13- Started off hot and then got two of three taken by UCA and started SEC play 3-6.
16- They had to wear the embarrassment of 2015 for an entire year
18 and 19- Went through enough adversity for 10 seasons but it toughened them
21- Got punched in the mouth by Arkansas early in the SEC slate and then got punched in the mouth and embarrassed in the SEC tournament
The difference in those teams and the last two years is that those teams stood up off the mat and started punching back. This team continually throws in the towel every time they are punched in the mouth.
Yep. I?m sure we have a few hard asses but not enough. Certainly don?t seem to have it in the pitching side.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Need some Kobe Bryant?s, scherzer types.
Heck I would take a Houston Harding type at this point. He had some fire in him.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPMT
I can tell you Dohm and Tapper both have the red a**. Both of those guys are tough as nails and all business, and you can include Cade with those two. The rest I can't vouch for but those 3 for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPMT
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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
That?s good. We may just suck at talent evaluation in certain areas.
I haven't seen us quit. We left so many guys on base that's hard to say. That pitching group and coach situation is going to blow up.
But I'm going to keep saying we haven't recruited. From less than have the number of top recruits as LSU, Vandy, FL etc. to having the large majority of a couple classes leave. Our evaluation, development, and coaching has been bad.
The guy with a 518 - 281 record isn't a bad coach. Lee had 1 bad season and the season he got fired they had a rash of injuries about halfway through the season and despite that, they still went 35-23 and 13-16 in conference. He's been to 7 regionals and a Super Regional. His best team was the covid year and it got shut down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Last I heard, he couldn't even win at the HS level, and was let go. That doesn't scream that he's overcome his demons and is ready for another shot at the SEC to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
He wasn't as good as the previous coaches. He got fired. He's a good assistant/hitting coach. We aren't hiring a guy that got fired last HC job.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoachT14
I think we'll go for a few name guys and if that doesn't work, it's likely Lane or an assistant from a top program. I could see one Sunbelt coach in it. One or two G5 guys.
All this is moot. State isn?t firing Lemonis until and if his team finished near the bottom and doesn?t make Hoover. If he gets this team to Hoover, he probably gets another year.
Besides, Selmon might be like several of the fans on this board and think baseball is just a niche sport and that State has been wasting money on it all these years. He may be more of a Women?s sports guy.😳😳😳 and believe in spending more money there.
If Lemonis makes it to Hoover he'll be back. Albeit with massive staff changes, but he'll be back. That won't be popular but it's the reality of it. Now, if he tanks and we finish 9-21 or worse I don't believe there's a way he can stay. The big baseball boosters will force that change.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
Who are the big boosters for the program that aren't former players?
Me. Now I don?t make a lot of money, but I feel like my opinion matters***Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheIttaBenaHotSun
Adkerson is pretty big. The Bryans. Mossy Oak is pretty involved in baseball. Steven Warren. No former players really outside of Maholm, Raffy, and Craig TatumQuote:
Originally Posted by InTheIttaBenaHotSun
If you can get Heefner, and that's a big IF, you do it. Absolute no brainer.
I think each individual is capable of being as tough as anyone- it?s their minds that let them downQuote:
Originally Posted by SPMT
Ask David Goggins
See it everyday at work. Leadership matters much more than people realize. I saw it also with different coaches I had back when playing ball as well. It matters and a lot. Look at Croom then Mullen, Moorhead then Leach, Howland and Jans.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
The way this team is playing, I would be pleasantly surprised to win 9 games in the SEC. We just played who I would have thought was the worst team we would play in the SEC.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
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Originally Posted by KOdawg1
What on earth makes any of you guys think ANY of these guys would consider MSU ....three on your list turned us down last time ..and the Schlossnagle interview didn't last 20 minutes .....throw in that MSU has the fewest NIL opportunities ...and it isn't the destination that a high profile coach will want to take a chance on.... .
Lane Burroughs would crawl on broken glass to Starkville and I imagine if we paid Butch what Auburn is paying him he would come. We'd probably have to overpay for Godwin and you can put Tadlock in the same category as Vitello. It won't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezsoil
An interview from 5-years ago, when Arkansas hired Nate Thompson. Replaced Vitello in pig world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhYuS4Whfvg&t=11s
After Thompson speaks, you have Van Horn talking recruiting. Pretty interesting.
Thompson is a Dallas Baptist graduate. Arkansas has been to 3 CWS' and basically been a 45+ wins/season team. Still winning today, as Thompson's 8th and 9th grade commitments are rolling in.
I'm not saying butch wouldn't come. But he's a loyal guy. They gave his first shot. We've won a title already. Had we not that would matter cause he could bring us our first. But I'm not sure he's take it. Is it a better job? Yea. But I'm not sure he'd take it. Lane. Hell yeah he would. No doubtQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Just heard van horn speak and he said they were going to stop taking so many hs commits and go way more portal. We shall see. Better have a deep nil pocket. And they probably do. But you can't get away from signees. They have more loyalty if they really wanted to be there to begin with. And clearly they can get emQuote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer
I have a feeling that's going to end up being a mistake for them. But we'll see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
If LSU buys a National Title in 2023, Arkansas' FOMO will be uncontrollable. It's got to suck for all these schools around them winning titles. Even Oklahoma has 2 titles and a recent Runner Up. They are absolute Wannabes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
I tend to agree. The portal is definitely a gamble. You can get real good real quick or you could blow your whole program up. Also, with nil what it is, if you buy portal guys and it costs you big bucks, those people putting up those big bucks will expect results NOW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Tyson, JB Hunt, Walmart, Jerry. I mean Arkansas can warchest an NIL fund that could rival Texas with just 4 families. They have plenty right now, but if they go all in everyone needs to be very afraid. They could be the Yankees if they wanted to. Thankfully, the care equally about all their sports so no sport will ever totally dominate with NIL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Bought or not, LSU fans expect to win and get results every yearQuote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Hell they ran off Laval after 5 years and he was 210-109-1 (88-60-1)
That?s a .658 Win Percentage overall and .594 in SEC play
Lemonis is .672 overall and .527
Laval only had one SEC season with under 18 wins in conference and it cost him his job (13)
His sin? Not winning the CWS and not Skip
2 CWS Appearances
1 super
1 regional
Smoke's biggest issue was his name wasn't Skip Bertman. It's almost impossible to follow a legend. I think both McMahon and Cohen did it so well for us because Polk had not won a national championship. Had Polk reeled off the two we should've won (85 and 89) then I think the expectations would've been raised for both those men. I also don't think Polk comes back in 02 if he had won a national championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandjunky
Oh yeah, I 100% agree on this. I should've stated i was making more of reference toward arky and the fact van horn says they're going heavy portal.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandjunky
Most of the Arkansas NIL is going toward basketball right now, mainly because the JB Hunt family are huge basketball fans and are putting money toward it. They're the only big player publicly out there supporting NIL though.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
If you look at the roster this year, so far Arkansas' two best hitters are both transfers - Bohrofen from OU and Wegner from Creighton. the 3rd is probably Josenberger who is a Kansas transfer.
Peyton Stovall was a blue chip recruit who most thought was a can't-miss first round pick and possibly the best hitter in the entire draft, and while he's been good he's maybe the 4th best hitter on the team. I can see why DVH would prefer to go with proven transfers. Even the best high school recruits are sometimes a roll of the dice.
Don't leave out that his W/L record stunk too. That's kind of important. I mean, it wasn't like 10-90 or anything, but he was barely above .500.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve