Those answers must be hidden somewhere where no one will ever find them. Mike Leach certainly didn't have them.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Stevie Wonder could see that our defense was the only reason we won 9 games this season.
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Those answers must be hidden somewhere where no one will ever find them. Mike Leach certainly didn't have them.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Stevie Wonder could see that our defense was the only reason we won 9 games this season.
Yeah. That 40 ppg average in wins had nothing to do with winning those games.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
Sure we got smacked by teams that recruited better than we did and had better athletes. Ole Miss probably had better athletes over all than we did, but we won because of Leach's offense and Arnett's good defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
That's not entirely true. In our 4 noncon and auburn, Aggie, and ark our offense was at least as responsible for those 7 wins as our defense was.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
I think the better argument is our defense played well enough to win 1-2 more games. But to be fair our defense wasn't good in a few wins.
It's wild that this board has been talking in circles for 2 weeks because of KBs pity party.
For the most part I like the coaching hires. I hate to lose Miller but I figured there would be some attrition considering all these guys had followed Leach. Bumphis is a wait and see for me but I didn't see results from our wr coaches that made me think they were recruiting wizards either. We've missed on a lot of in state talent at wr for being a team predicated on passing the ball.
Our offense and defense played very poorly against Kentucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
I know App State ended up 6-6 -Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
But do you need to be reminded that it put up 61 points on a much more talented UNC and figured out how to grind a far more talented A&M team to a halt?
But we are NOT just going to pound the ball up the middle down after down. That's the whole fallacy what he is spewing. He keeps throwing out "pro style" offense with no understanding of what that really is in todays game. It's a mixture of various different schemes. Including Air Raid passing concepts.Quote:
Originally Posted by NCDawg
You mean 40 PPG against cupcake defenses. And 20 PPG against teams with a pulse.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Well, then we gave up 33.5 PPG against offenses with a pulse, because that?s how much teams scored on us in losses. Yet, we promoted the architect of that to head coach and consistently shit on the guy who controlled the entire team.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoachT14
Drew Piscopo is a huge air raid guyQuote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Kentucky had better players than us?? They owned us in 20 and 22.Quote:
Originally Posted by NCDawg
If we don't use AR terminology it's utterly worthless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Our defense against top 80 scoring offenses:Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Gave up 26.7 PPG. The season average was 23.1.
Teams | Season Average | Scores v State | Scoring Offense Rank
Memphis | 35.3 PPG | 23 points | 22nd
Arizona | 30.8 | 17 points | 48th
LSU | 34.5 | 31 points | 24th
Arky | 32.5 | 17 points | 35th
Bama | 41.1 | 30 | 4th
UGA | 41.1 | 45 points | 5th
Ole Miss | 33.5 | 22 points | 29th
Sounds like the defense did it’s job, held everyone below their season averages except UGA. The lowest rated scoring offense was Arizona at 48th in the country.
Flip side
Our offenses performances against top 80 defenses:
We averaged 24 PPG. Season average was 31.6 PPG.
Let’s break that down
Teams | Season Avg. Allowed | State Points | Defensive Ranking
Memphis | 26 PPG | 49 points | 60th
LSU | 22.5 PPG | 16 points | 34th
Tamu | 21.2 PPG | 42 points | 25th
UK | 19.2 PPG | 17 points (7 of which was a defensive TD) |13th
Bama | 18.2 PPG | 6 points | 9th
UGA | 14.3 PPG | 19 points | 5th
Ole Miss | 25.5 PPG | 24 points | 57th
Illinois | 12.8 PPG | 19 points (7 of which was a defensive TD) | 1st
8 games against top 80 defenses. Only 4 of which we scored more than their season average. And 1 of those 4 was only because of defensive TD.
Our offense let us down time and time again this year. But keep toting that water.
Keep up with your Leach hate and desire to run a single wing based offenseQuote:
Originally Posted by CoachT14
Lol. Your typical response when you realize you backed yourself into a corner with your stupid shtick.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Well, I am talking to a coach that doesn?t know the difference between the veer and shoot and a pro style offenseQuote:
Originally Posted by CoachT14
Says the guy who shares random blogs from random nerds who never played a sport and justifies that as a study.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
I will say this. I sincerely hope we come out in 4 wide shotgun the first play of the season and hopefully I am seated near KB so I can watch his head explode.
The fact you have no better comeback than that says it all.. just like the crickets on most good posts. Ignore em. I pray Steve allows you back soon so you can take your crap elsewhere. Just be a state fan and let it play out. Odds are this offense will be just like the last one and the one before. 8-4 ish Jimmy's and joes. Not AR or whatever other style offense. Makes no difference. Just be a fan instead of bitching before we ever play a game under the staffQuote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Thank you. Well stated. He wasn't this miserable years ago. This is embarrassing for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Not as bad as your wife downgraded ...Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Posting shit you have zero knowledge about..Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
ask Coach Whiitingham how good a coach and recruiter Bump is..
I know for a fact what he would say
Pretty sure this is a woman shown by her emotional sensitivity....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
Cussing on a message board. Man you are cool. Did your parents let you stay up late because it was the weekend too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
Actually I’m really ****ing cool..Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
All I did was give facts to your false message .
Sorry if that pissed you off.
You?re clueless if you think hollingshead is better than the guy that had his players catching passes in the Rose Bowl 2 years in a row, and will out-recruit anybody on Lane?s staff at Oxford.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Friend/Schmidt will also prove to be better than Miller would have been in this system.
I like that Arnett has the balls to change the offensive philosophy. Anyone that doesn?t get behind that can just moan and pout about it.
This staff is a really good staff top to bottom.
It's got a combination of experience with youth, familiarity with the SEC, some outside influence, and guys that can recruit.
Arnett did a solid job and yes it looks like some things will change offensively. So what. Everyone changes. We need to run the ball more and we need a coordinated effort to do that. Physical defensive teams beat us up under Leach because we weren't a physical team. We need to be more physical and shift our offensive identity towards what nationally has been shown to work consistently.
You and KB can go get a room together, because you both have no clue how good this staff can be.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I would rather have Hollingshead than Bumphis. But Bumphis will do a good job I think. Drew is gonna be one of best
Let me know when Bump is selected by the AFCA for the 35 under 35 leadership conference and becomes an offensive coordinator.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder
Two of the biggest myths in football have been stated in this thread.
The first myth is that you have to run the ball to win. Analytics has proven this false.
The second myth is that the Air Raid isn?t physical.
Name me a team that you would consider more physical than us that we beat this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
The version of the Air Raid that we ran wasn't as physical as is needed in the SEC against the upper tier teams.
It's not a coincidence that the 4 games we lost were our 4 lowest scoring outputs of the season. We got pushed around on offense by teams that were more physical. We beat teams more talented than us, but not more physical than us.
I’ll let you know when this staff does WAY better than you have predicted.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Don’t go running away now. You’ve blown up 2 different message boards with your bad takes. Be man enough to admit when you’re wrong after that day comes.
I wish he would go back to genespage....Quote:
Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder
I know what isn't a myth, the fact that Leach's offense couldn't do jack shit against any defense with a pulse the past 3 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
It's also probably not a coincidence that our offense struggled against the top 3 defenses in PPG and total defense in Georgia, Alabama, and Kentucky. Then we lost to LSU who was top 5 in PPG and 6 in total defense. Illinois was number one in the Big 10 in PPG and #2 in total defense and actually allowed fewer PPG than Georgia. We've never had an offense that has scored consistently against the top defenses in the SEC. The goal there should be to be able to score enough to give ourselves a chance to win a low scoring game. See the RelaiOutback Bowl.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
The rest of the games we played we did pretty well. Except for the Egg Bowl where we turned it over a ton. And even then we should have had 30 points had it not been for a poor call on a play where Dillion Johnson scored and they incorrectly marked us down at the one. 30+ points on every else is very solid. People mock this team for blowing out our OOC teams but that rarely has happened at MSU if we're being honest. If we can make a few additions and tweaks and get to where we score 20+ points on really good defenses which we were pretty close to doing last year- then we could have a really good year this year.
But again at the end of the day it's about recruiting rather than the scheme we run.
Two of the guys Arnett fired immediately became OC's. Miller will without a doubt land on his feet somewhere as well. I may be wrong but I kind of doubt that if we fired Bumphis he would become an OC. Hughes is the same difference as Washington. Barbay is an unknown and likely a downgrade from Leach. Friend will probably be OK but we'll be fortunate if he is as good as Miller. Schmidt I think was brought in to help Arnett more than anything and give him someone he trusts. Turner can recruit better than Phelps but Phelps wasn't bad. Literally know nothing about Dewhurst. I imagine Hopson will help him out.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder
What analytics? You posting a random blog from some random nerd who crunched numbers isn’t analytics.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
KB21 and Homedawg evidently have a strong dislike for MSU. stfu