OC Hired - App State OC Kevin Barbay

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Well mullen had an all pro qb and the sec all team leading rusher for a qb. Leach never had anything close to an nfl qb here. Give leach Dak.

Point is. We need a big time qb regardless of system.

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I really wish Locke would have stayed..

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Leach SEC Scoring:

13th in 2020
9th in 2021
8th in 2022

Mullen:

2017- 7th
2016- 7th
2015- 5th
2014- 2nd

I clearly said the 2nd half of Mullen's tenure. Mullen took over a rebuild and didnt have the luxury of the portal and such. Y2 Mullen and Y2 Leach are Apples/Oranges

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So are years 6-9 of dan and 1-3 of leach. It's a bad comparison.

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

Will is the starter at State next year. Non topic

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If so the offense will be very limited

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Originally Posted by ZedFedder

Outside of Arnett landing Kingsbury, many of you were determined to be "meh" on this after Briles. What else do you want the guy to do? Great job, Arnett.

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I like it long term.
Next year not so much unless he finds a qb

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Leach had the chance to portal Rogers the last 2 years and didnt do it. He had who he wanted

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Except when we brought Jack Abraham in to start in 2021.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Leach had the chance to portal Rogers the last 2 years and didnt do it. He had who he wanted

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That has to do with coaching decisions regarding personnel. Not scheme. The underlying debate was over scheme.

The truth is both schemes can be successful if the right qb is in place. It's 75% about the qb.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

That has to do with coaching decisions regarding personnel. Not scheme. The underlying debate was over scheme.

The truth is both schemes can be successful if the right qb is in place. It's 75% about the qb.

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This offense is centered around the HB and the OL, the QB is more of a game manager which actually plays to Rogers strength in my opinion.

He won't be asked to carry the team, and I think he can be careful with the ball. This could be good for Will, except for stats, but overall it could be really good for him.

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Originally Posted by TNDawg35

I really wish Locke would have stayed..

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Me too. He may have been playing for State sooner rather than later.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

This offense is centered around the HB and the OL, the QB is more of a game manager which actually plays to Rogers strength in my opinion.

He won't be asked to carry the team, and I think he can be careful with the ball. This could be good for Will, except for stats, but overall it could be really good for him.

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If we are bringing in a scheme where our success is predicated on having OL better than the SEC DL we will face then we are screwed.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

If we are bringing in a scheme where our success is predicated on having OL better than the SEC DL we will face then we are screwed.

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They beat A&M by running it 52 times and completing 15 passes.

This offense runs the damn ball.

Leach was about to make adjustments. Look at the QBs he was after. He realized you gotta be able to do things other than throw it 50x

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

They beat A&M by running it 52 times and completing 15 passes.

This offense runs the damn ball.

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That offense went 25 of 36 for 361 and 6TD passes in taking UNC to OT (while also running for 288)

It went 40/53 for 395 and 3 TDs when the run game got shut down against James Madison. The offense is variable - and probably the closest to balanced as any we have ever run (30 passes/40 runs a game in '22)

Not to derail this thread too much, but Brandon Streeter was just fired at Clemson. If we have an offensive analyst position we may want to see if he'd be interested for a year.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

That offense went 25 of 36 for 361 and 6TD passes in taking UNC to OT (while also running for 288)

It went 40/53 for 395 and 3 TDs when the run game got shut down against James Madison. The offense is variable - and probably the closest to balanced as any we have ever run (30 passes/40 runs a game in '22)

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Yeah he's very diverse and actually calls plays based on what the defense is giving. I like the fact Barbay games plan and calls plays to attack what the weakness of the defense is instead of just running the same offense week in and week out. He showed he can win running or throwing or both, now that's true balance.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Yeah he's very diverse and actually calls plays based on what the defense is giving. I like the fact Barbay games plan and calls plays to attack what the weakness of the defense is instead of just running the same offense week in and week out. He showed he can win running or throwing or both, now that's true balance.

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With Leach every defense did the same thing so there really wasn't a lot of game planning.

I?ll allow it

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

With Leach every defense did the same thing so there really wasn't a lot of game planning.

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That's not true. Everyone tried the drop 8 after Arky stopped us with it, then we started (painfully) beating it with long, boring short passes. After that teams played us different albeit still mostly zone unless they couldn't stop us. In 21 when we forced man Will killed them over the top. I think that was the main difference in his 21 and 22 season. Seemed like he couldn't do it in 22 like he did in 21. Whether that's an injury, no Polk or whatever is for others to argue about.

This is a great hire. Young fresh ideas. I like that Arnett has a vision of where were are going and is making it happen.

So how will he use Tulu?

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Originally Posted by William Tecumsah Sherman

Leach was about to make adjustments. Look at the QBs he was after. He realized you gotta be able to do things other than throw it 50x

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Which further reiterates why CZA shouldn't have destroyed the whole offensive scheme and staff.........

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Originally Posted by Saltydog

Which further reiterates why CZA shouldn't have destroyed the whole offensive scheme and staff.........

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So what should he have done given the timeline? Hire a lesser OC that's not ready or underperforms just because they run a similar scheme?

This isn't a normal timeline. Our coach died when we had no AD. CZA did an awesome jobs filling out staff, keeping players and finding an up and coming OC with a proven (yet short) track record that also happens to fit our players (minus the TEs which would've been a problem with any OC)

ETA: he didn't blow up our offensive staff. 2 guys left for OC positions. No one wanted Jr as the OC. We could've promoted hollingshead, but that would be a hell of a reach. He's an up and comer for WKU much less SEC big time. The only coach you can say he ran off that would've been good to keep is Miller and we don't even know the story there

Here's a novel idea. Maybe just maybe we have an oc that can adapt his offense to the players we have on the roster. Just spitballing here.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Here's a novel idea. Maybe just maybe we have an oc that can adapt his offense to the players we have on the roster. Just spitballing here.

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Seriously. That should always be priority.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Here's a novel idea. Maybe just maybe we have an oc that can adapt his offense to the players we have on the roster. Just spitballing here.

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And this guy will definitely do it. I just finished rewatching App State-A&M and this definitely won't be Moorhead 2.0 trying to fit square pegs into round holes. Multiple formations and personnel groups and a wide variety of play calls. Get some TE's from the portal and we'll be ready to roll.

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Originally Posted by msu15

And this guy will definitely do it. I just finished rewatching App State-A&M and this definitely won't be Moorhead 2.0 trying to fit square pegs into round holes. Multiple formations and personnel groups and a wide variety of play calls. Get some TE's from the portal and we'll be ready to roll.

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I've watched a lot of videos on his offenses today too and you're right the guy is extremely diverse and attacks defenses by exploiting their weaknesses whether that be by land or air. I love the diversity he brings. Players should be excited

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

I've watched a lot of videos on his offenses today too and you're right the guy is extremely diverse and attacks defenses by exploiting their weaknesses whether that be by land or air. I love the diversity he brings. Players should be excited

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I like that. Always liked how the patriots would throw it 50 times a game against Pitt when they knew they couldn't run. Went full air raid then next week would play a team that couldn't stop the run and do that 40 times.

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Originally Posted by MrCoachKlein

I like that. Always liked how the patriots would throw it 50 times a game against Pitt when they knew they couldn't run. Went full air raid then next week would play a team that couldn't stop the run and do that 40 times.

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Right, you need an offense that can morph. I'm not saying Barbay is the be all end all but he is very diverse in what he does and that's promising.

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Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins

Half the passes, double the downfield shots. Like the pistol formations also, but that play action ain't gonna fool anyone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=iXlUMJf5wh0

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Rogers in that offense ( with zero TE's on the roster by the way) will be worse than Fitz trying to run Moorhead's stuff.

A rebuild when we have so many pieces returning. Looks like 2018 all over again

This hire will be a total bust. Our offense will rank in the bottom part of the sec next year. Very vanilla offense. Appalachian State has finished in the top 30 in offense the last 3 years. This guy didn’t do anything special this year. Love arnett though.

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Originally Posted by Spiderman

Rogers in that offense ( with zero TE's on the roster by the way) will be worse than Fitz trying to run Moorhead's stuff.

A rebuild when we have so many pieces returning. Looks like 2018 all over again

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This is not true. This offense will actually fit Will really well. It doesn't require the QB to run or even be that mobile at all. Granted we all wish Will was way more mobile, he can still run this offense really well.

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

This is not true. This offense will actually fit Will really well. It doesn't require the QB to run or even be that mobile at all. Granted we all wish Will was way more mobile, he can still run this offense really well.

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Where are you gonna get 3 SEC quality TE's between now and then?

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Originally Posted by Dawsonmsu

This hire will be a total bust. Our offense will rank in the bottom part of the sec next year. Very vanilla offense. Appalachian State has finished in the top 30 in offense the last 3 years. This guy didn’t do anything special this year. Love arnett though.

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Troll. Go fund Lane’s 9 mil.

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Originally Posted by Spiderman

Where are you gonna get 3 SEC quality TE's between now and then?

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Portal? Fwiw, 2 of Central Michigan's TE's were similar in size to Antonio Harmon. But who's to say he want just adapt to the current personal as much as possible?

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Originally Posted by MrCoachKlein

So what should he have done given the timeline? Hire a lesser OC that's not ready or underperforms just because they run a similar scheme?

This isn't a normal timeline. Our coach died when we had no AD. CZA did an awesome jobs filling out staff, keeping players and finding an up and coming OC with a proven (yet short) track record that also happens to fit our players (minus the TEs which would've been a problem with any OC)

ETA: he didn't blow up our offensive staff. 2 guys left for OC positions. No one wanted Jr as the OC. We could've promoted hollingshead, but that would be a hell of a reach. He's an up and comer for WKU much less SEC big time. The only coach you can say he ran off that would've been good to keep is Miller and we don't even know the story there

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There are a ton of candidates out there that ran some version of the air raid that I'm sure were qualified. Just go look at some of the names mentioned on this board the last few weeks but I'm sure they were all less qualified, rolls eyes. We'll see what transpires and maybe he will adapt but we'll find out in a few weeks I guess.

Wills definitely not as mobile in the pocket as the app qb, but he also won't miss on some of throws that qb did. As long as he can throw a deep ball with his feet set we'll be OK. Need 21 Rodgers not 22.

TEs were must with any OC we hired

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

Portal? Fwiw, 2 of Central Michigan's TE's were similar in size to Antonio Harmon. But who's to say he want just adapt to the current personal as much as possible?

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He better, but actions speak. He has always seemed to be in the same personal groupings

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Originally Posted by MrCoachKlein

Wills definitely not as mobile in the pocket as the app qb, but he also won't miss on some of throws that qb did. As long as he can throw a deep ball with his feet set we'll be OK. Need 21 Rodgers not 22.

TEs were must with any OC we hired

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I agree that Will wouldn't have missed some of those passes & I'm not a huge fan of Will 2022 but he's a much better passer than the app QB. A little more mobile than Will but he wasn't exactly Lamar Jackson either ha

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Originally Posted by MrCoachKlein

So what should he have done given the timeline? Hire a lesser OC that's not ready or underperforms just because they run a similar scheme?

This isn't a normal timeline. Our coach died when we had no AD. CZA did an awesome jobs filling out staff, keeping players and finding an up and coming OC with a proven (yet short) track record that also happens to fit our players (minus the TEs which would've been a problem with any OC)

ETA: he didn't blow up our offensive staff. 2 guys left for OC positions. No one wanted Jr as the OC. We could've promoted hollingshead, but that would be a hell of a reach. He's an up and comer for WKU much less SEC big time. The only coach you can say he ran off that would've been good to keep is Miller and we don't even know the story there

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And you think this guy isn't a lesser? Your own words say it. *(yet short)*

Yes. He did let the staff go. It's why they took new positions.

Per App St. This was a fast hire that cost MSU $900K. A total of 18 hours went into an interview and hire at a price tag of $900K

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Originally Posted by Spiderman

He better, but actions speak. He has always seemed to be in the same personal groupings

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He's got a great track record thus far so we'll see.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

And you think this guy isn't a lesser? Your own words say it. *(yet short)*

Yes. He did let the staff go. It's why they took new positions.

Per App St. This was a fast hire that cost MSU $900K. A total of 18 hours went into an interview and hire at a price tag of $900K

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This was not a panic hire. I'm almost sure he was the second OC offered. Sounds like it was a well ran process with several interviews & Barbary really impressed them.