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12-07-2022, 09:48 AM
CoachT14

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Lord knows I'm not a big will fan, but what's changed? He was a captain, and I thought a very popular player on our team

Assuming you didn?t watch him cower in the egg bowl every time someone from Ole Miss was near him? The guy talks a big game but he plays so scared. I saw all I needed to see when he ran out of bounds on a 4th down run.
12-07-2022, 10:07 AM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

Assuming you didn?t watch him cower in the egg bowl every time someone from Ole Miss was near him? The guy talks a big game but he plays so scared. I saw all I needed to see when he ran out of bounds on a 4th down run.

And then Saturday you watch Max Duggan's performance.
12-07-2022, 11:02 AM
PendingTransaction

I'll say this. CML is not handling roster management well. And it's not all related to NIL. He should let the other coaches handle it and stay quiet.
12-07-2022, 11:04 AM
Tripp McNeely

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Originally Posted by PendingTransaction

I'll say this. CML is not handling roster management well. And it's not all related to NIL. He should let the other coaches handle it and stay quiet.

How do really know that though? Do you already know what the roster will look like next year?
12-07-2022, 12:00 PM
CoachT14

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

And then Saturday you watch Max Duggan's performance.

True. All you had to do was watch the game DJ and Woody had. They put their bodies in the line for team in the Egg Bowl. Will… not even close. To me it’s obvious our skill guys are willing to take a shot to find a team that puts them in better positions to be successful.

I’m sure Bucky will come in and make a backhanded comment on them and talk about how the OL sucked or WR’s made Will run out of bounds with 7 yards to go.
12-07-2022, 12:03 PM
Pancho

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Originally Posted by PendingTransaction

I'll say this. CML is not handling roster management well. And it's not all related to NIL. He should let the other coaches handle it and stay quiet.

Please fill us in on how Leach is doing this incorrectly.
12-07-2022, 12:15 PM
CoachT14

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Originally Posted by Pancho

Please fill us in on how Leach is doing this incorrectly.

You still going to be asking that smart a$$ question when the entirety of our skill positions leave and we have a bunch of scrubs to replace them? Cause right now that's more likely than the opposite.
12-07-2022, 12:25 PM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by Matt3467

Is this actually the issue or is this what you think it is? Not a big Will fan myself but that's pretty big if true.

It's part of it. Nothing against Will as a person. He's a great kid. I think he's respected in that way. But his inability to play the QB spot and get the ball to guys downfield is part of the issue. If you knew how many and who considered leaving you'd understand. We're going to keep a couple and pay them, but it was close to being an even bigger issue. This offense has to be way better or Mike Leach can hit the road. He's not going push Will out either because Leach hasn't develop anyone at QB. We all know he won't get a legit transfer either.
12-07-2022, 12:54 PM
Tater

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

If you lose support of Tater, things are not good.

There is being a sunshine pumper and then there's being blind... BuckyIsABlind
12-07-2022, 12:58 PM
MaroonFlounder

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

If you knew how many and who considered leaving you'd understand. We're going to keep a couple and pay them, but it was close to being an even bigger issue.

and we are supposed to believe the word of someone with username: cooterpoot
12-07-2022, 01:11 PM
R2Dawg

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Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder

and we are supposed to believe the word of someone with username: cooterpoot

Now that was funny
12-07-2022, 01:39 PM
Pancho

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

You still going to be asking that smart a$$ question when the entirety of our skill positions leave and we have a bunch of scrubs to replace them? Cause right now that's more likely than the opposite.

So, Leach is in charge of allocation of NIL funds too? please keep it coming
12-07-2022, 01:52 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Pancho

So, Leach is in charge of allocation of NIL funds too? please keep it coming

Leach 100% works with Charlie on NIL...all of our coaches do
12-07-2022, 01:57 PM
Pancho

they just looking again to bash leach any chance they get. he has the program to a 8-9 win level. the deal is, can he keep it there? all this acting like a 12 year old accomplishes zilch
12-07-2022, 02:14 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Leach 100% works with Charlie on NIL...all of our coaches do

Meh.
12-07-2022, 03:28 PM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

Assuming you didn?t watch him cower in the egg bowl every time someone from Ole Miss was near him? The guy talks a big game but he plays so scared. I saw all I needed to see when he ran out of bounds on a 4th down run.

I really don't think that was Will being unwilling to put it on the line or wussing out. He's taken hits before and gotten up. I can't believe him running backwards was him suddenly being scared of getting hit. And I don't think him not going all out for the first was being a wimp. It was like he had brain fog or something and had trouble processing things at game speed and just kept making stupid decisions. I honestly thought he might have had a concussion or something during the game. Can't imagine him just lacking focus for the egg bowl. I guess another option would be a family or personal issue that just had him weighed down and distracted.
12-07-2022, 04:07 PM
Goldendawg

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Originally Posted by Tater

Bucky you're so freaking emotional.

It's clear Will regressed mentally throughout the year. That and his arm strength waned. He either gutted out a hidden injury or his arm is going and can't handle the workload.

That kid was throwing dots 30-40 yds downfield last year against Memphis. Nowadays he can't throw a ball 25 air yards out of bounds on the run. He's taken a step back and it is CLEAR as day.

I want the kid to succeed. But he's simply not. That boy is giving his best, but we all get told we can't play the child's game at some point. I fear for him, it's way sooner than he'd like.

Didn't want to start rumors, but seemed like one game mid-season it was rubbing his shoulder after a hit. We don't release much injury info but, I have wondered if he is hurt or banged up. Just wondering. Hail State!
12-07-2022, 04:14 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Didn't want to start rumors, but seemed like one game mid-season it was rubbing his shoulder after a hit. We don't release much injury info but, I have wondered if he is hurt or banged up. Just wondering. Hail State!

I wondered the same tbh
12-07-2022, 04:16 PM
msstate7

If he was injured, seems like etsu game wouldve been a shorter outing
12-07-2022, 04:26 PM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If he was injured, seems like etsu game wouldve been a shorter outing

Yeah this don't make sense
12-07-2022, 04:52 PM
tcdog70

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

You still going to be asking that smart a$$ question when the entirety of our skill positions leave and we have a bunch of scrubs to replace them? Cause right now that's more likely than the opposite.

damn I thought 7 was a negative 17er--hell he is a sunshine pumper compared to You. How can you Coach anything with your attitude.?
12-07-2022, 05:04 PM
AROB44

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

damn I thought 7 was a negative 17er--hell he is a sunshine pumper compared to You. How can you Coach anything with your attitude.?

Well...we really don't know if he coaches at all. This is the internet where you can say (post) anything.
12-07-2022, 05:05 PM
tcdog70

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

And then Saturday you watch Max Duggan's performance.

Will, will never play like Max---that is a foolish comparison. Ya'll do understand we just won 8 games with Will at the QB position. probably going to Win 9. Did I scream at Will for some of the stuff He did--sure. But he also did some pretty damn good things--but you negative nellies refuse to give Him any credit. if someone can beat Will out--fine. Play them. But I don't see that happening. I hope Will works hard and corrects some of the things he did poorly---But he will never play like Max Duggan.
12-07-2022, 05:06 PM
Tater

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If he was injured, seems like etsu game wouldve been a shorter outing

Oh I agree. Just watch film of the kid though and tell me his arm didn't physically regress. Injury makes the most sense.

Hell by Leach's standards, Will missed a hell of a lot of gametime in that one so he may actually be inured.
12-07-2022, 05:07 PM
tcdog70

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Originally Posted by AROB44

Well...we really don't know if he coaches at all. This is the internet where you can say (post) anything.

and some can fart Volare'.
12-07-2022, 05:22 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

Will, will never play like Max---that is a foolish comparison. Ya'll do understand we just won 8 games with Will at the QB position. probably going to Win 9. Did I scream at Will for some of the stuff He did--sure. But he also did some pretty damn good things--but you negative nellies refuse to give Him any credit. if someone can beat Will out--fine. Play them. But I don't see that happening. I hope Will works hard and corrects some of the things he did poorly---But he will never play like Max Duggan.

Running for a 1st down on 4th and 7 ain't asking for much Hoss. I wasn't comparing Will to Max but, shit, I expect a starting SEC QB to be built to gut it out.

I'm pretty sure Will got injured before the Kentucky game, my guess LSU, and it's been known only to a very few people on the team. After that LSU game he has been a different QB.
12-07-2022, 05:26 PM
MrCoachKlein

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Originally Posted by AROB44

Well...we really don't know if he coaches at all. This is the internet where you can say (post) anything.

I really did beat Red Beaulieu in the Bourbon Bowl though.
12-07-2022, 05:30 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

We can and we can't. The burden on our staff is too much with the portal business added to it. Getting guys is a lot easier than replacing production. Now, if we had money to burn and a slightly better brand name it might be manageable looking ahead, but this isn't going to work. That's my opinion.

It's like we have to recruit players that can start for us, and win for us, but aren't good enough for anyone else to want. That's the insanity we are dealing with.

Last paragraph is 100% truth. If Dak was 8 years younger and his 2014 season was in '22, he'd literally be entertaining $2M 1 year deals from OSU, UGA, etc and this board would be melting down.

December Richardson is a solid player, but he's no elite stud. The fact we have to fend off P5 offers for him means we can't ever have stud level talent return for another year unless he is very loyal or we come up with a TON of NIL. Which won't happen, we will never compete with the big players in money. We should not have to throw NIL money at midling DBs to field a secondary.

"OH but well just go use the portal ourselves to replace them, so it's all good" oh yeah? Well who's in the portal? Guys that got passed up by the programs that poached our guys. How can we beat those programs woth players they don't want?
12-07-2022, 05:53 PM
confucius say

We had to fend off teams for Forbes and marks last year. Forbes was loyal. Hat tip
12-07-2022, 06:34 PM
BeardoMSU

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Originally Posted by MrCoachKlein

I really did beat Red Beaulieu in the Bourbon Bowl though.

Taking credit for your star LB, I see***
12-07-2022, 06:54 PM
tcdog70

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Running for a 1st down on 4th and 7 ain't asking for much Hoss. I wasn't comparing Will to Max but, shit, I expect a starting SEC QB to be built to gut it out.

I'm pretty sure Will got injured before the Kentucky game, my guess LSU, and it's been known only to a very few people on the team. After that LSU game he has been a different QB.

Running for a first down on 4th and 7 might be ok for some—but Will is not a runner. I would have rather for him to,have just threw it up on 4th down . If they intercept it -fine like a punt. But maybe we catch it or get a PI. That was a stupid play.
12-07-2022, 07:24 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

Running for a first down on 4th and 7 might be ok for some—but Will is not a runner. I would have rather for him to,have just threw it up on 4th down . If they intercept it -fine like a punt. But maybe we catch it or get a PI. That was a stupid play.

And if he had gotten blown up on that play, you'd have just as many people screaming about why was he running and risking getting hurt when we don't have adequate back ups ready***.
12-07-2022, 07:52 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Neither are going to the portal. One may go to the draft. And he has valid reasons for it.

The Qb that yall wanna blame it on his the sole reason they get the carries they get. Which was more than ever this year btw. He calls them. Who would want to play in an offense that you get more touches than any other position combined? What a bad offense for a RB.

Good call on neither going to the portal.
12-07-2022, 07:53 PM
MetEdDawg

DJ officially in the transfer portal. And his little blurb on Twitter is pretty heavy.

He says Leach says he's glad he's leaving and that he's not tough.

Very interesting.
12-07-2022, 07:56 PM
Quaoarsking

This isn't a good look, DJ....
12-07-2022, 07:56 PM
BeardoMSU

Wow. Shots fired. This guy's is definitely the opposite of "not tough". Yeah, wtf...
12-07-2022, 07:58 PM
BeardoMSU

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

This isn't a good look, DJ....

And if this is how Mike handled it, he might as well go ahead and retire, because he's a ****ing dinosaur if true. A stupid one at that.
12-07-2022, 07:58 PM
HancockCountyDog

That sucks. DJ is a great kid and I think he can carry the load at an SEC school.
12-07-2022, 08:00 PM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

And if this is how Mike handled it, he might as well go ahead and retire, because he's a ****ing dinosaur if true. A stupid one at that.

Given the lack of professionalism and maturity DJ showed in that Tweet, why would we trust him not to be giving and extremely slanted and inaccurate summary of what happened?
12-07-2022, 08:00 PM
starkvegasdawg

Damn. Talk about going out scorched earth.

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