Yeah and CDM played better Bama, Aub, and LSU and TAMU teams. UK is no better this year than most than Dan faced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
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Yeah and CDM played better Bama, Aub, and LSU and TAMU teams. UK is no better this year than most than Dan faced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
Here's you guys a rumor I heard at the game today. Kentucky has already been going through the back channel contacts to encourage Robertson to transfer to them. Guy that told me is pretty knowledgeable, but didn't say if he believed it. BTW, he would be replacing their #1 round NFL draft pick who has a chance to lead them to a 7-5 or 6-6 record this year. Watching GA/KY and I think the announcers said Levis hasn't passed for more than 150 ypg last three games. Has hit a couple of long passes today, last one a dying duck.
I understand but it's not debatable. 2010-2011 difficulty was historic. We also SEC East champion in 2 of those 3 years. We played Georgia (Georgia was weak in 2010 and #19 in 2011) and Florida (#3 in 2009 and down in 2010) in 2 of those 3 years and #9 South Carolina in 2011. It's not close.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
I know personally of a VERY successful HS coach that was notorious for not taking starters out in games totally in the win column. His last year he thought he had the team for one last state championship, well they imploded. He had not injected the younger players in practice besides holding dummies. He left after spring practice and the HS went through the worst two years in their history because he didn’t invest the younger players in the program or practice ...... not playing younger players when possible unless you are Bama is insane on any level.....JMHO
Damn right.
So bama- the most successful program it's ok? And everyone else it's stupid. That makes no sense. Bama didn't play their second team until late in the 4th today. Now they did let the backup qb get a series first w the first string. But back to the point, it's either dumb for bama and us. Or it's not dumb. Can't be both ways. That's bs.
Eta I agree the second team should get action sooner than the 4th w in a game like today. And the defense subbed a lot in the first half.
When did Mohead or Dan play an all Sec schedule?asking for a friendQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Sec only...Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
Mullen 33-39 (.458)
Moorhead 7-9 (.438)
Leach 10-15 (.400)
There you go... apples to apples
ETA: if leach wins egg bowl...
19-17 (.528), 11-15 (.423) sec
If he loses...
18-18 (.500), 10-16 (.385) sec
So either way, he's behind mullen and Moorhead. Moorhead did have the benefit of being gifted a really good team from mullen
Lovertech is a slightly more mobile version of Will. Sawyer has played his last snaps in maroon.
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Well that's a touch deceiving ....neither Mullen or Morehead had to face an all SEC schedule ..and Mullen never had a requirement to play a power 5 OOC .....let's hold judgement on Leach till after next year when he gets an Ole Miss type cupcake schedule with eight home games..Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Sec only...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezsoil
Mullen 33-39 (.458)
Moorhead 7-9 (.438)
Leach 10-15 (.400)
There you go... apples to apples
ETA: if leach wins egg bowl...
19-17 (.528), 11-15 (.423) sec
If he loses...
18-18 (.500), 10-16 (.385) sec
So either way, he's behind mullen and Moorhead. Moorhead did have the benefit of being gifted a really good team from mullen
At this point, I have seen nothing out of Leaxh that makes me think he is better than Joe was. Other than the obvious discipline issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I disagree....HS or college....if you are loaded with the 5 star upper talent, it is not as much of a problem. but HS or the DOGS NEED to train their younger players.....you can not argue that.....you just can'tQuote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Clearly you didn't read my post. I agreed that I would put them in sooner than CML does. But the 5 star point make zero sense. And honestly, if the players are worth a crap, and care, they are getting training at practice. Practice is important I don't give a crap what all these morons on a board tell you. Go ask saban!!Quote:
Originally Posted by lastmajordog
best player plays.... period..... but for lower tier programs or HS IT IS IMPERATIVE to develop players..... if you don’t understand that you don’t know fball....nothing like game experience especially for development players....jmhoQuote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
If you toss out the Covid year (which I think is fair) he is 14-10 overall and 7-8 in conference. So basically exactly even with JM with the chance at a slight improvement or set back based on the remaining 2 games (including the bowl game).Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
They have superior talent on the bench. They may share reps more in practice. With Bryce Young missing a game earlier, they already know where the backup stands.
To be fair Mullen was 10-14 after year 3 in sec only. A touch over 40%. That 2-6 2011 was a real turd. Should have beaten both Carolina and auburn.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
What high school team plays their second and third string in meaningful playing time?Quote:
Originally Posted by lastmajordog
We played our back ups basically the entire fourth quarter and rotated heavily throughout the game.
MSU is not a high school football team.Quote:
Originally Posted by lastmajordog
Although we look like it at times. Lol I kid? kind ofQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Exactly. The thing is if you take out your starting QB to start the second half and the other team gets hot because we're sloppy all of a sudden it's a 35-14 game. And then what? That's a situation that could get very dicey with inexperienced players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
I think the best thing to do is what we did today.
Play your QB for three quarters and rotate heavily at the other positions throughout the game. And then once the game is in hand you play your backups the entire fourth quarter.
LOL. Right.Quote:
Originally Posted by BayouDawg
Well said , My man and completely accurate!Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Can Sawyer do baseball now?
85th best player in Texas is not bad. His dad was a 1st rounder for the Expos. Tim Tadlock, a known great evaluator and recruiter wanted him.
https://cdispatch.com/sports/2020-04...over-15-years/
^^^This^^^ I saw where nobody mentioned that it was the receiver's fault on the int for breaking the wrong way. Doesn't fit the agenda.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins
You can't seriously think that anyone here has an "anti-Sawyer Robertson" agenda.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mjoelner34
When comparing records of CML vs. Dan vs. Croom, I don't understand the, "If we throw the Covid year out". All teams played under the same covid conditions and a loss is a loss. Are you saying it fair to throw out for CML because it was all SEC foes?
If you're just sticking to SEC records, keep them in, but otherwise Leach did not get the chance to win 3 or 4 nonconference games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
Because it's not a comparison between coaches that coaches during Covid it's a comparison between a coach that coaches the Covid year and two coaches that did not. But with or without the Covid year there is really no fair comparison. If you include the Covid year you don't have the OOC games that Croom and Mullen had and don't consider practice and game limitations caused by Covid but if you don't include the Covid year then you leave out a year of experience practicing and playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
I don't think there is an even way to compare. I do think you can take Croom out of the comparison because he's definitely third on the list.
IMHO throw it out for everyone. However I will add Leach was following the Moorhead era, ever how short, with a 180 degree change of style.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
No it?s not, but ask Saban about the wisdom of keeping your starting qb or starters in while beating the crap out of a (non HS)opponent. MSU vs Bama 2019. Besides growing your younger players you risk NEEDLESSLY injuring your starting players......case closed......HS or college.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Alabama was only up 28-0 at the time if I remember correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by lastmajordog
It's tricky because the reality is the starters also need reps too. An injury can happen in practice or anywhere else. We've had players get injured in car accidents that doesn't mean we should ban them from driving.
Saban typically keeps his starters in for three quarters too.
Agree to disagree, but erring on the side of caution especially later in the year I will always take the negative chance out of it. Only upside is padding stats. Downside is ruining a season or career. I will take the safe side every time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
What happened in the fourth quarter of Ole Miss/Arkansas is exactly why you don't take your foot off the gas too soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by lastmajordog
Arkansas is very lucky that they didn't get any closer than 14 points.
My philosophy will continue to be the same as D1 coaches over high school coaches.
Hard to criticize winning 56-7 when everyone still got their reps in. But MSU fans find a way.
And Sam Pittman admitted that post game. He said he took his foot off the gas in the second half too early and shouldn't have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
So, if Will gets hurt in the second series of the EB first quarter.....YOu have a qb that has not played meaningful snaps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Again I rest my case. Taking foot off the petal is one thing but there is a line between being smart and being stupid. HS or college. Go DOGS.
If this were to happen, Chance Lovertich will finish the game. I doubt Robertson sees any more meaningful snaps. He will then meet with Leach and Leach will give him options. Transfer portal if he doesn?t like waiting his turn or 7 days of extra practice during bowl prep and a chance to win the job next March. As it should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by lastmajordog
Then I would go with Lovertich who has some SEC experience and started some at South Alabama.Quote:
Originally Posted by lastmajordog
And the reason we know this is because of the meaningful snaps both he and Sawyer took in the fourth quarter of the game against East Tennessee State.
https://www.footballdb.com/college-f...yr=2022&conf=9
Most teams have back ups that range from 5 attempts to 30 attempts. The ones that have more typically had to play a game for an injured starter. Sawyer has 11 attempts. That doesn't include Lovertich for some reason.
Anyway- we're not abnormal here with what we're doing.