There?s a reason will doesn?t get the pub others do. Because people talk and coaches talk. There?s film study without the bullshit. People know he?s not a good decision maker and not a strong arm. The narrative is the narrative because it?s true.
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There?s a reason will doesn?t get the pub others do. Because people talk and coaches talk. There?s film study without the bullshit. People know he?s not a good decision maker and not a strong arm. The narrative is the narrative because it?s true.
I don’t think Will is a bad decision maker, he was in the LSU game but in general I don’t think so. I think he doesn’t get a lot of pub because he’s viewed as a system q b. Which is true to an extent.
Will didn't help but we were in the game. Austin Williams completely took the air out of the team. In his 10 year long career I cannot recall a moment where Austin swung the momentum in our favor but I can recall multiple times where he helped swing the momentum in favor of the away team. I don't think Austin Williams should touch the field again he does nothing special and is not "Mr. Reliable"
this is 100% wrong .... this was the second time Austin has fumbled a punt (had one last year). And in the past when we really needed a 3rd & long we almost always went to Austin for the first down because he was trusted to catch the ball more so than other recievers .... Austin is and has been a very good player for us .... You're basing that statement off one muffed punt. Granted that muffed punt swung the momentum and game in their favor but it's not like he's a scourge against us. I'm glad we have him. If you want to get pissed at someone then turn your attention to the guy that kept going for it on 4th down on our side of the 50Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgman15
2020 egg bowl fumble on the goal line doesn't ring any bells?Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
Another thing that makes me so mad about how things have gone is that however bad the first half of the 2020 season was.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgman15
During the Georgia game 2020... something felt like it changed and we had started to figure out the offense. We go up to oxford and we had no business being in that game but we had guys making plays all over the field on defense and offense but damn did that fumble change the game..... We win if that fumble doesn't happen.
I don't think we win even if Williams catches the ball.
We couldn't do jack shit on offense and our defense was gased , LSU was going to get in the endzone eventually and make it 17-16
This loss isn't on Williams this time. But 2020 egg bowl it was.
Hard to make any decision when LSU's defensive line was giving him about 2 seconds.
Get used to it people, State doesn't spend the money necessary now days to get the players to complete. State doesn't have enough 4* and 5* talent to compete with the big boys.
Yeah sorry fast fingers. should have been you listed....Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
What you talking bout? That was a 14 point swing. Instead of tying the game they went up 14-0 with that fumble.Quote:
Originally Posted by PikeDawg15
I meant to say in the LSU game Saturday. My bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
He did not look confident at all during this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiskeyPirate
Kind of got the "happy feet" at times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
Too bad it's "happy feet" instead of "fast feet" to buy time for a completion or run for a good gain or first down!Quote:
Originally Posted by Catfish
Good grief, someone please archive this thread..... "oh no the wind is blowing out of the south today :( "......"next week it will blow out of the north :) "..... The back up QB is always the most favorite person on the team until he's the starter to which the 3rd string guy becomes the favorite! just a fact of fandom. yall carry on.
Agreed. Austin Williams has been a great player for us, and continues to be a great player for us. Dude busts his ass for MSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
And yes, we lost because of his play Saturday night. Both can be true.
We don't beat Auburn last year without Austin Williams. We don't beat aTm last year without Austin Williams. He wasn't the reason we won, but he was the reason we didn't lose. Dude has probably 25-30 absolutely have to have it catches in his career.
My biggest criticism of him and Walley is that they are fading away in games this season. No idea why. Tulu too.
You can blame the LSU loss on him, no doubt. But let's not go overboard here. It was one play. A simple play, that should have been made. He messed it up, we lost. No need to discount his entire career because of it.
Not throwing the ball down the field is a much bigger issue in my opinion. Not being able to block for 3 seconds on pass plays is a bigger issue. Not delivering a catchable ball is another issue. Not catching balls that hit you in the hands is another issue.
Austin's play lost us the game. Absolutely, but he isn't the overall issue. The overall issue is that we are Pussie$ when people start talking good about us.
This ^. Great Post.
Agreed!Quote:
Originally Posted by GoDawgz
I think that was a fumble on an offensive catch ... not a punt. Point taken but how many other receivers and RB' have fumbled as well ... regardless- he has been an asset for us - not a liabilityQuote:
Originally Posted by dawgman15
Austin's fumble was the straw that broke the camels back, but if we'd made the plays that were there to be made it wouldn't have mattered. Saturday's failure was a team effort from HC on down. Austin's screwup was just one of many. We had death by a thousand cuts. What the old saying? "We have met the enemy and he is us!"
AW caught a 4th and goal to go touchdown that WILL threaded last week that was a huge momentum boost. Dude is a clutch third down receiver. You guys are ridiculous with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgman15
That's what happens when you have a right tackle getting dominated and the coach doesn't do anything to help him. And we don't have play action or roll outs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catfish
Yeah Austin didn't lose that game, he had a mistake just like most everyone on the team including the staff. There was ample opportunity for us to put that game away before that fumble. Austin's had some big catches for us and I like him as a possession receiver but I wish we would go to zavion as our full time punt returner now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Is there no possible way they Will can scramble out of the pocket and make a play? Nobody is wants him to be Michael Vick, but he doesn't give their defense a reason to respect him once the pocket breaks.
I think Will will have a successful year and he should not be replaced, however I don?t believe he can scramble.Quote:
Originally Posted by ImissCityBagel
I?m older than dirt and I?m pretty sure I could run him down without too much difficulty.
If S. Robertson is even close to Will in the passing game, I would like to see what he could do. It seems there would be a lot of room to run.Quote:
Originally Posted by PikeDawg15
What?s the word I?m looking for when you do the same thing but expect a different outcomeQuote:
Originally Posted by GoDawgz
Absolutely!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
If teams drop 7-8 in zone, wouldn't that make it a little difficult for a qb to take off. Seems those guys would be watching the qb.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Austin's fumble and holding on the 90 yard return = 14 points score swing that was lost = lost game.
If they drop 8 into coverage and the QB takes off running to the right , a defender will be taken out of coverage and a receiver can then become openQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
But it just adds a whole new element to the offense because on 3rd and 1 or 3rd and 2 , when you go to hand the ball off to the receiver , the defender will have to think twice about just going for the running back because a mobile QB ( like a Nick fitzgerald like a Dak prescott ) can just take off and get a 1st down so they won?t just sell out to stop the running back.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I see what you did there.... clever.... but I will play along, its called insanity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apoplectic
Now what's the word I'm looking for when you get what you ask for when the 2nd string guy is the 2nd string guy for a reason?!
Sawyer passed Greek and Lovertich quickly through spring and fall. He was running with the 1s through a lot of fall camp. I'm not saying he's ready but he has vastly improved in this offense. I think we see him a lot during the second half of Bowling Green.
Training.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apoplectic
Growth.
Development.
How many you looking for?
Since our OL really doesn't give too good of protection, I guess it's pretty mandatory that we have to have someone who can move from the pocket. If we had a great OL, I think Rogers would do fine. Also, our W/R's didn't appear to be very focused against LSU. Lot of drops and didn't appear to be giving their best effort in my opinion. Can't pin that on Rogers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ImissCityBagel
My son and I went to the second scrimmage. I don't know if Sawyer was running with the ones or twos against the same or what. He did look to have quick feet and did not hesitate to roll out when the pocket broke down. He made one long run, but it may have been called back. He looks like he can use his legs to extend the play or run for plus yards , but did make some bad throws from poor decision making. He is at present the 2nd string QB, a very popular person.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
Yes, but just need 2 or 3 yards a lot of the time. If it turns out there is no running space, then it will never work with Leach. A mobile QB is my last shread of hope for this outdated offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Here's the problem w the thought of a mobile qb that keeps being floated around- nobody disagrees that a more mobile qb would help, but there's this huge assumption you can find one that's mobile, has as good of accuracy as WIll and has equal decision making. Basically that's the perfect guy. I get it. Odds of find that guy just aren't good. Sawyer, more mobile- great, what do you give up??? The most important part of THIS offense is accuracy. I've stated it more than once, Will wasn't good. But sawyer isn't going to be our qb anytime soon. Matter of fact, barring injury, I don't expect him to ever be, I figure he'll leave.
I agree, with this offense you never want a run first guy and players that have the accuracy but can run like a RB are extremely rare.....you really just want an accurate q b who is also athletic enough to buy time, run for an occasional first down and avoid a sack. Robertson and Locke are both guys that can do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
I don’t agree Sawyer won’t be the starter here. Locke may be the best of them all.