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08-16-2022, 01:51 PM
WhiskeyPirate

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

It's so funny. Bounds is making jokes about how State never made big plays in the past. However he discusses if State will make big plays this year. He called M Polk a possession receiver.

THIS IS NOT A BIG PLAY OFFENSE. It is a dink and dunk possession offense. So your wr will Always be what M Polk was. Only way you get a big yardage play, is if a WR breaks tackles and out runs people.

Yea the air raid has never produced any big plays

Great research
08-16-2022, 03:26 PM
RezDog7

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

It's so funny. Bounds is making jokes about how State never made big plays in the past. However he discusses if State will make big plays this year. He called M Polk a possession receiver.

THIS IS NOT A BIG PLAY OFFENSE. It is a dink and dunk possession offense. So your wr will Always be what M Polk was. Only way you get a big yardage play, is if a WR breaks tackles and out runs people.

You could have stopped at "Bo Bounds is a douche"
08-16-2022, 03:32 PM
thf24

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

It's so funny. Bounds is making jokes about how State never made big plays in the past. However he discusses if State will make big plays this year. He called M Polk a possession receiver.

THIS IS NOT A BIG PLAY OFFENSE. It is a dink and dunk possession offense. So your wr will Always be what M Polk was. Only way you get a big yardage play, is if a WR breaks tackles and out runs people.

I don't think there's enough evidence to claim that definitively. It may have effectively been such in his time here so far under the circumstances, but in eight years at WSU, his teams ranked in the top 25 for plays of 20+ yards three times, and only missed the top half twice.

http://www.cfbstats.com/2012/leader/...30/sort02.html

You can say what you want about their defensive competition, but that's still a lot of big plays for a "dink and dunk" offense who was usually the less talented team on the field.
08-16-2022, 05:28 PM
Maroonthirteen

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Originally Posted by WhiskeyPirate

Yea the air raid has never produced any big plays

Great research

In 2018, in Leachs best year at WSU, Mississippi State had more plays for 20+ Yards.
08-16-2022, 05:29 PM
Catfish

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Originally Posted by thf24

I don't think there's enough evidence to claim that definitively. It may have effectively been such in his time here so far under the circumstances, but in eight years at WSU, his teams ranked in the top 25 for plays of 20+ yards three times, and only missed the top half twice.

http://www.cfbstats.com/2012/leader/...30/sort02.html

You can say what you want about their defensive competition, but that's still a lot of big plays for a "dink and dunk" offense who was usually the less talented team on the field.

Agree, good post.
08-16-2022, 05:35 PM
WhiskeyPirate

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

In 2018, in Leachs best year at WSU, Mississippi State had more plays for 20+ Yards.

Ridiculous. Just look it up. Majority of Leachs years at tech the offense avg around 500 yards per game and top ten in ppg. Leachs last year at WSU they were 11th nationally in ppg and avg 500 yards of offense a game.
08-16-2022, 06:32 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by RezDog7

You could have stopped at "Bo Bounds is a douche"

Bo Bounds is proof that you don't have to be smart to have a sports talk radio show.
08-16-2022, 07:35 PM
Maroonthirteen

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Originally Posted by WhiskeyPirate

Ridiculous. Just look it up. Majority of Leachs years at tech the offense avg around 500 yards per game and top ten in ppg. Leachs last year at WSU they were 11th nationally in ppg and avg 500 yards of offense a game.

"Goal post moved". Yes. This offense puts up a lot of yards. And if you are good enough to finish in the red zone, points too. But this offense moves the ball by throwing underneath 50 times a game.

Therefore the point is, this offense doesn't have big yardage plays because of the scheme, not necessarily the wr talent.
08-16-2022, 08:00 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

In 2018, in Leachs best year at WSU, Mississippi State had more plays for 20+ Yards.

With a skittish QB and below average WR's
08-16-2022, 08:01 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by WhiskeyPirate

Ridiculous. Just look it up. Majority of Leachs years at tech the offense avg around 500 yards per game and top ten in ppg. Leachs last year at WSU they were 11th nationally in ppg and avg 500 yards of offense a game.

Where were they in Scoring? Yards never win games
08-16-2022, 08:29 PM
MrCoachKlein

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

COVID RESPONSE screwed all of that up.

FTFY
08-16-2022, 08:46 PM
R2Dawg

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Originally Posted by WhiskeyPirate

Ridiculous. Just look it up. Majority of Leachs years at tech the offense avg around 500 yards per game and top ten in ppg. Leachs last year at WSU they were 11th nationally in ppg and avg 500 yards of offense a game.

Uh, big plays and total offense and ppg are totally different catagories - apples and oranges. His O is a dink and dunk O. Our two RB had what like 160 catches last year? That is dink and dunk.

Some may take that as an insult but not necessarily. if it produces points, who cares. His O is what it is.
08-16-2022, 08:48 PM
SmokeyDawg

20+ yard plays doesn't translate into 20+ yard passes. Most of the long plays are created by yards after catch and that reflects the type of receivers we recruit.
08-16-2022, 08:54 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Uh, big plays and total offense and ppg are totally different catagories - apples and oranges. His O is a dink and dunk O. Our two RB had what like 160 catches last year? That is dink and dunk.

Some may take that as an insult but not necessarily. if it produces points, who cares. His O is what it is.

I agree. It is a dink and dunk with the possibility of hitting a big play if you catch the defense out of position. But, those dink and dunk elements puts a strain on most defenses. UK/AU/NC State defenses were sucking wind in the 4th quarter last season.
08-16-2022, 09:15 PM
QuadrupleOption

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Originally Posted by basedog

The Air Raid isn't built for the short yardage needed say 3rd and 4th down. It can be argued his Air Raid in the Red Zone playing in the Big 12 and Pac 12 was good (I have no idea). But the defenses in the Sec can be brutal to say the least. Good Coaches adjust and put wrinkles in, haven't seen this in the Air Raid. But I'm hopefully because many say we have the talent to win 9 games on ED anyway.
I don't dislike the Pirate, I just wish we would run the ball a little more and use a damn TE and fullback some!

People have said the same things about this offense not working against defensive players at every stop he's made - Valdosta, Kentucky, Oklahoma, TT, WSU, and now MSU. What seems more insane - running it up the gut against a Bama defense, or making those defensive guys defend every inch of the field sideline to sideline on every play?

Mullen's offense didn't do shit against Bama for 12 years. At least with Leach we aren't losing anything there, and we've already knocked off like 6 ranked opponents in two years (ranked at the time we played them anyway). If he can get the Memphis-type games out of his system we'll be just fine.
08-16-2022, 09:56 PM
WhiskeyPirate

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Where were they in Scoring? Yards never win games

Ppg = points per game
08-17-2022, 08:38 AM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

I agree. It is a dink and dunk with the possibility of hitting a big play if you catch the defense out of position. But, those dink and dunk elements puts a strain on most defenses. UK/AU/NC State defenses were sucking wind in the 4th quarter last season.

I would say it's not dink and dunk; it's take what the defense gives. Most defenses have decided the way to beat it is to give up the underneath routes and force the offense to make lots of completions. But if a team decides to get aggressive and blitz and man up, it will flip and be a big play offense.
08-17-2022, 08:58 AM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

I would say it's not dink and dunk; it's take what the defense gives. Most defenses have decided the way to beat it is to give up the underneath routes and force the offense to make lots of completions. But if a team decides to get aggressive and blitz and man up, it will flip and be a big play offense.

The dink and dunk aspect of the system is exactly b/c of what defenses give you. Then DCs get antsy and dial up pressure or go man. Will has the short game down pat.
08-17-2022, 09:54 AM
Maroonthirteen

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

I would say it's not dink and dunk; it's take what the defense gives. Most defenses have decided the way to beat it is to give up the underneath routes and force the offense to make lots of completions..

Now that is a fair and good argument, Counselor.

But back to practice reports.....

It looked like Texas Tech took away the swing pass to the RB and zoned. Plus rushed a 4th guy on 3rd down, into the middle of the line and got home more than a few times. Hopefully we have worked on a counter to that defensive strategy the summer/camp.
08-17-2022, 10:11 AM
Liverpooldawg

Bottom line, it's a dink and dunk offense, it always has been and always will be. That isn't a bad thing if it can finish in the red zone and win games. The jury is still VERY much out here on that. It's an EXTREMELY boring offense to watch, to me anyway. It's like paint drying, except worse.

More bottom line, he almost HAS to beat Ole Miss this year, and his track record with rivals is just terrible. Losing three straight times to them to open your account at MSU is not really survivable. He might hang on another year or so after it, but it will look and feel like the end of the Sherrill era or the JOMO era.
08-17-2022, 10:15 AM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Bottom line, it's a dink and dunk offense, it always has been and always will be. That isn't a bad thing if it can finish in the red zone and win games. The jury is still VERY much out here on that. It's an EXTREMELY boring offense to watch, to me anyway. It's like paint drying, except worse.

More bottom line, he almost HAS to beat Ole Miss this year, and his track record with rivals is just terrible. Losing three straight times to them to open your account at MSU is not really survivable. He might hang on another year or so after it, but it will look and feel like the end of the Sherrill era or the JOMO era.

Do you want 3 yards and a cloud of dust or Holloway's buck o five ass up the middle? I don't get the "It's boring." take at all.
08-17-2022, 10:29 AM
PMDawg

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Bottom line, it's a dink and dunk offense, it always has been and always will be. That isn't a bad thing if it can finish in the red zone and win games. The jury is still VERY much out here on that. It's an EXTREMELY boring offense to watch, to me anyway. It's like paint drying, except worse.

I'm not a huge fan of the Air Raid, but I'll interject here. It's no different than any other offense. When it's working, it's very exciting to watch. When it's not, it's boring.
08-17-2022, 11:56 AM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by PMDawg

I'm not a huge fan of the Air Raid, but I'll interject here. It's no different than any other offense. When it's working, it's very exciting to watch. When it's not, it's boring.

I think the 3 yards and a cloud of dust type offenses are boring, even when they are working. But very rarely are 3 yds and a cloud of dust offenses working; if they are not breaking off 6 and 10 yard runs, they are going to get behind the chains at some point and fail. Not too different from trying to run the air raid consistently throwing swing passes to the RB for short yardage.

But agree with you. Not sure I've ever really watched an offense that was working and thought it was boring. I think watching an option offense when it's really working is fun, even if they are running the same three plays.
08-17-2022, 12:07 PM
Dawgfan77

Their are just some posters on here that will be overly negative about leach and they let that sway the thinking. Comments like, boring offense. Dink and dunk, and the whole 6-6 zero hopers out here. The guy has won everywhere and we were in position to win more than 7 games last year. Some are just letting one game from last year dictate this year
08-17-2022, 12:13 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Do you want 3 yards and a cloud of dust or Holloway's buck o five ass up the middle? I don't get the "It's boring." take at all.

Throwing 175 passes to the RB's is the modern version of 3 yards and a cloud of dust. This offense makes the Wing-T seem exciting.
08-17-2022, 12:13 PM
Catfish

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

Their are just some posters on here that will be overly negative about leach and they let that sway the thinking. Comments like, boring offense. Dink and dunk, and the whole 6-6 zero hopers out here. The guy has won everywhere and we were in position to win more than 7 games last year. Some are just letting one game from last year dictate this year

Good post. Agree.
08-17-2022, 12:56 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Do you want 3 yards and a cloud of dust or Holloway's buck o five ass up the middle? I don't get the "It's boring." take at all.

It IS three yards and a cloud of dust. It's almost exactly the same thing. It's just plain boring.
08-17-2022, 12:57 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Throwing 175 passes to the RB's is the modern version of 3 yards and a cloud of dust. This offense makes the Wing-T seem exciting.

EXACTLY.
08-17-2022, 12:57 PM
PCHSDawg

Almost as boring as checking a practice thread to see the same old discussion that's been done to death.
08-17-2022, 01:00 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

Their are just some posters on here that will be overly negative about leach and they let that sway the thinking. Comments like, boring offense. Dink and dunk, and the whole 6-6 zero hopers out here. The guy has won everywhere and we were in position to win more than 7 games last year. Some are just letting one game from last year dictate this year

Everybody wants more than 6-6. That doesn't mean we will get it. The offense IS boring. It's just like running it up the middle every play.
08-17-2022, 01:05 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Throwing 175 passes to the RB's is the modern version of 3 yards and a cloud of dust. This offense makes the Wing-T seem exciting.

Except when those RBs break a tackle and go for 15 yards.

The Boring Crowd just doesn't like the Air Raid. To each his own.
08-17-2022, 01:09 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

Their are just some posters on here that will be overly negative about leach and they let that sway the thinking. Comments like, boring offense. Dink and dunk, and the whole 6-6 zero hopers out here. The guy has won everywhere and we were in position to win more than 7 games last year. Some are just letting one game from last year dictate this year

If we have a really good season they'll disappear like they did in the Auburn game thread last season. It was like The Rapture came b/c half the posters vanished in the second half.
08-17-2022, 01:10 PM
PCHSDawg

Saying the offense is boring...is boring.
08-17-2022, 01:21 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Do you want 3 yards and a cloud of dust or Holloway's buck o five ass up the middle? I don't get the "It's boring." take at all.

Exactly. LSU 2020 and auburn 2021 were not boring.
KY and vandy and Aggie and ark last year too. Uga 2020. Those games weren't boring.

When people try to press us and play man, we stretch the field. When they drop 8, we work underneath, and will work the 8-12 yard area more now that we have a qb who will be more physically developed.
08-17-2022, 01:36 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by PCHSDawg

Almost as boring as checking a practice thread to see the same old discussion that's been done to death.

Better than ten pages of nothing about the uniforms......so there's the bright side
08-17-2022, 01:48 PM
PCHSDawg

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Better than ten pages of nothing about the uniforms......so there's the bright side

You got a point there, at least it was a thread started about the uniforms.
08-17-2022, 01:50 PM
Kylesandi338

If MSU runs the ball, fans want them to throw it. If they throw the ball, fans want them to run it. Never ending complaining by some. I would rather lose throwing the ball and having a chance for a comeback, than run the hell out of the ball and get down by 2 touchdowns and have zero chance to come back for a win. If the offense is played up to our ability, it will not be stopped. I believe we could be more balanced but I think Leach has us on the right path to success and this team and his coaching will surprise a lot of folks this year. I believe Leach is going to adapt his coaching style and we are in for a good year!
08-17-2022, 01:51 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Except when those RBs break a tackle and go for 15 yards.

The Boring Crowd just doesn't like the Air Raid. To each his own.

That happens running it up the middle too.
08-17-2022, 01:53 PM
RezDog7

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Throwing 175 passes to the RB's is the modern version of 3 yards and a cloud of dust. This offense makes the Wing-T seem exciting.

Yeah, all those corner routes to Polk last year that resulted in touchdowns were stupid boring. Not long ago we couldn't even complete a forward pass.
08-17-2022, 01:55 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Exactly. LSU 2020 and auburn 2021 were not boring.
KY and vandy and Aggie and ark last year too. Uga 2020. Those games weren't boring.

When people try to press us and play man, we stretch the field. When they drop 8, we work underneath, and will work the 8-12 yard area more now that we have a qb who will be more physically developed.

YES.

If anybody thinks those games were boring they just are being sour b/c we aren't running Dan's offense anymore. Will Rogers will cut you up underneath until you are forced to man up and send somebody.

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