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I get that but your guys from Ga Southern or Campbell arent demanding big money. They arent in position to. The portal for us will be determined by who we find on lower level teams- not P5 transfers.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
I agree, the NIL will work for the so called "stars", no doubt recruiting has and will continue to change moving forward. Also there are way more baseball teams and players than say football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Lost the argument? You really are clouded aren?t you?. All the comparisons that have happened in this thread by you are to 1-2 rounders. You have not specifically named them but when you say other SEC SS this year, I can only assume you are referencing LSU, UT among others. Those two guys will be 1st rounders. Then you mentioned Westy on this very page of thread. He was a 1st rounder if memory serves my correctly. Adam Frazier was 6th round but is considered an MLB allstar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
yes you are comparing Lane to high value draft picks. And yet he is not far of stat wise from them (MSU players not the LSU or UTENN kid.) Just get over it, Lane is your starting SS next year. He will hover around .270-.300 and play defense at an elite level. Which is better than most of our SS over the past decade which was my statement to begin with.
Only a simpleton only looks at batting average in judging an offensive player.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilentSteel16
Belmont was not a 1st rounder and as of today I'm pretty sure he wasnt drafted after being cut and replaced. Still had more offensive production than Foreskin
Gridley was an 11th round pick
Now- once aGAIN I'd like to thank you for helping my side of the argument even more. If you are saying all the SEC SS's I compared him to this season that far outshined him are 1st-2nd round draft picks- doesnt that mean Miss State needs that also? Their stats dwarfed his. (They arent all 1st or 2nd round picks of course- and your response was both hilarious and ridiculous)
Secondly Mr Foreskin, his .969 fielding percentage is right on par with the expectations at State. You have obviously forgotten Seth Heck, Gridley, and others that had higher FP's than .969
Corder now in the portal.
****34- since you can do it so can I.
I have finally figured out what you are. I am going to treat everything you say and do just like I do with every talking head on Fox,CNN,ESPN. They were attached to a sport or story at one point, physically washed out of it now they are simply talking about something that they are removed from. They all have opinions, like to trash people and even make fun of them. Usually and most of the time it is the case, they are so off base that they make themselves sound stupid. They offer no solutions only complaint or criticism. Your little world is an anonymous message board where you can spout off your comments and thoughts and not get held accountable for them. I get it.
Maybe it was my fault for coming to this site and expecting different. There are notable exceptions to this of course. Starkvegasdawg, CC24 and Mstate7 to name a few actually give good and knowledgeable information. It is not just around sports. You on the other spout off nothing but opinion and hate. Opinions are like assholes. Not only does everyone have one but they all stink. But what should we have expected but shit to come from your asshole self to begin with.
I blame myself for this. Carry on ****34- the local hot headed and just flat out bad commentator on everything that he could not do himself.
I am showing my lack of ingenuity on message boards clearly. iwas going for Cant Understand Nothing That you say as fact because it is so wrong for at least 34 reasons. only the capital letters in that last sentence matter.
Also, I have just realized you are implying I am Lane’s father… are you the idiot that thought Bucky was Rogers dad? It is par for the course for you considering all the idiotic stuff that you say on here. Have a great day local message board idiot.
The known good ones are. Now we can certainly get guys who were average players at Georgia southern for little to no money. Like a Jess Davis. But the known commodities like a RJ Yeager are asking for significant money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I think you are overestimating the power and reach of college baseball. Yea it is big here and about 20-25 other places but no college baseball player is going to have a Beats NIL deal or be driving around in a Lamborghini. Tyson Foods or Walmart is not going to give the next great Arkansas baseball player a 6 figure NIL deal to do national brand promotion.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
NIL in college baseball will be localized to individual communities, maybe statewide for states like Arkansas, Louisiana, and Mississippi.
I mean Landon Sims is a known commodity in pockets of the Southeast but no one outside of the Dodgers scouting Dept in Los Angeles knows or cares who he is. Ivan Melendez is probably the best known player in college baseball this year but I bet if you took a photo of him to Manhattan 2% of people might know who he is. Now compare that to Caleb Williams, Spencer Rattler, Bijan Robinson, or Quinn Ewers. They are national commodities known coast to coast.
hahahahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by SilentSteel16
Always wear your batting helmet when you get in the box with me
That's not a bad thing. I don't think he was a SEC caliber player.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Another Juco miss.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I'm not anti-JUCO. There are some good players that can help us. See Preston Johnson, Houston Harding, etc.
But we've missed a lot recently with our evals. Leggett, Skinner, Seibert, Corder, Tullar, Stinnett are not SEC players.
Someone to keep an eye on...
https://miamiredhawks.com/sports/bas...an--brand/7445
His stats don't really wow me (4.9 era) but he did have 86 K's in 77 IP.
Yea last year missing on both Corder and Siebert hurt us. I really think Corder needed to RS. I never thought he was ready. Siebert was recruited strictly off physical attributes and hoping we could turn him into a lesser version of Sonny DicharaQuote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Think you're looking at 2021's stats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saltydog
His ERA was 1.40 this year. 8-2 record.
Im not saying 6 figures like football. But well into five.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I like itQuote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
I stand corrected.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
If that's the case, and it is, we gonna be in trouble....Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Who outside of the SEC, ACC, and handful of B12 teams are going to pay money to baseball players?Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Yeah there's MAYBE 20-25 teams at most. It's gonna be just like it was pre nil. Football and basketball players get cars and bags of cash. Baseball players get a meal paid for every now and then. Boosters are not gonna invest their nil money in baseball players, it'll go to football and basketball. Some baseball players may ask for big dollars but very few, if any schools are gonna pay it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
ETA and I'm not saying that some guys won't get it I'm just saying the market is very limited on schools who will pay.
Nobody. But unfortunately, we play in one of those leagues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Unfortunately true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
But, we will and have gotten nil money to those that have been here and produced in baseball. But for recruits is going to be limited and in small chunks
That's 30 schools. And that's our neighborhood. That's an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Well that's good. Especially since for recruits is blatantly against ncaa bylaws. I know we all think that the ncaa is a joke, but I'd tread carefully until this working group issues the new bylaws.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Naive your middle name?Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
A&M just signed the highest rated recruiting class in football history and spent around 28MM doing it. Errybodyyyyyy is offering money to recruits. Hell, recruits ask about NIL before anything else nowQuote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Ha. Yea I know we are doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Just wishful thinking. Im cool with nil for players, but I wish it would be taken out of the recruiting process.
Yep. I hate it too. Hopefully they will crack down on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I would expect a huge NIL payment or recruitment difference to go extract a Jacob Berry from Arizona - a ready to go All American and 1st Round pick. It will be news to me that there is even a market for this in baseball. Berry went LSU with his coach.
I expect we won't get any Jacob Berry transfer or puck away a Mike Mussina from Stanford.
I expect MSU to take Ok-ish guys from Austin Peay, Eastern Tennessee, Mercer, South Alabama, Campbell, West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Binghamton, or New Mexico. That's not going to take Saudi or Drug Cartel levels of money.
Are you Cats saying MSU is about go buy a baseball team? Or some marquee All Americans from other D1 programs?
No. I'm saying just the opposite.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer
Yeah- people need to realize about NIL. We've had trouble raising 3MM. The rest of the SEC is starting at 20MMQuote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Concur. I will be highly impressed if Lemonis and crew gets this team straightened back out in one off-season. Just way too many holes to fill especially on the pitching staff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
That’s exactly what I’ve been saying for forever. I literally laugh out loud every time a “cigar boy” has been brought up. We do not have any. Not one. They have had plenty of time to “pony up” and make sure people are considering us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
They aren’t. Because they don’t exist.
We’ve basically heard witch stories all our lives about these so called money men that made the MSU world go round.
Baseball players as you know are wired differently. A lot of them think more about the "big picture" than say basketball players when it comes to money from playing their sport. Right now a typical college baseball player is just going to be happy with getting their tuition paid. That's literally all Vanderbilt has been doing for years and they have been landing first round caliber players at times. That's why the new legislation where conferences decide how many baseball scholarships are given out is so huge for MSU. I don't know what the amount will be other than it will be more than 11.7. Other than the elite prospect players- for example Jett Williams or Blaze Jordan- we're not really going to have to pay a lot to baseball players in general. The reason being because most baseball players are shooting for that second big MLB contract when they can become a free agent. What they value in college is going somewhere that they can develop and get to MLB in order to get the said free agent deal in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Now, the elite of the elite players like I mentioned above it's likely going to take around 300-500K a year (900K-1.5 million over a three year period) to get in the game with those players and that's probably baseline. The reason being is because it lessens the risk of them fading in college and not making it. Because if that happens they've still made 1.5 million and maybe more if they don't pan out and come back for a fourth year. But let's say a player does pan out and gets 900K from MSU in NIL. Then they go in the draft and get a 2-3 million dollar signing bonus from MLB- now they've made 3-4 million dollars roughly. So they've made significantly more money. For context making 3-4 million dollars is roughly the equivalent of being a top 15 pick on the high end and a top 25 pick on the low end based on this years draft slots. Also players know that by going to college it statistically increases their odds of making it to MLB. And for more context making 900K-1.5 million would be the equivalent of being a top 50-75 pick in this years draft based on slot values. So if they do flame out they're still getting pretty close to what they would have made in the draft out of high school.
So then the million dollar question is how do we compete with those 25-30 schools? We need to give to the Bulldog Initiative which is run by Charlie Winfield. If 300 of our 10K fans that show up every game- not to mention our thousands around the country who can't go and are just as hardcore and loyal donate 1000 dollar to the initiative we could get an elite talent. We have the resources to do that. Even if we give 100 dollars or 10 dollars that all helps. If 3000 of our fans donate 100 dollars it's the same difference as 300 donating 1000. And we have the fanbase to do that too.
Doing that could be a game changer with a player like Bradley Loftin or Dakota Jordan. In fact if I'm Lemonis those are the two prospects I'm targeting with NIL money. And I'd even kick the tires on Jett Williams with NIL because what could it hurt? Worst case scenario he goes pro like everyone expected.
The other thing is we need to join the Dugout Club because that's going to help MSU baseball as well.