Printable View
I tend to agree.The only way I would want to keep him if he loses to om again is if we have 11 wins going into the Egg Bowl, lol. I still thinks 7 wins with an om win is my floor for this year based on the schedule but I want us to do better.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
As long as he makes a bowl game he’s not getting fired. Whether he beats OM or not. Cohen is going to give Leach a longer leash because he’s a very important hire for him.
I believe you're right but if he loses to om again there's gonna be a lot of support bailing on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
And fan support will crater. Cohen better hope Jans gets us to the Tourney next year. 6-6 and a bowl game is unacceptable next season. Year three with a veteran offense, 6-6 ain't cutting it. Throw in a loss to OM and people will bail on football the way they did basketball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
I agree with 7 being a good year. Less than that is an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
1 game. Following the 2017 season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Bowl games have always been a horrible way to judge a team and coach, especially since players started quitting before the bowl games and don't care to show up.
Sure, but then you have to remove dans nonconference wins from a year since leach didn't get to play any in 2020.
******* last 4 years were 8-4, 10-2, 5-7, 8-4. That's 7.75 wins a year. If you count bowl games he won, it's 8.25. So an 8-4 2022 regular season tops what Dan averaged in the regular season his last 4 years.
Mississippi State University won 10 games in 2014, 9 games in 2015, 6 in 2016, & 9 in 2017.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Manipulate the #’s anyway you want the record book has 3 9 win seasons in Mullen last 4 years. Anything is just talk. Mullen last 4 seasons MSU won 34 games. That’s not speculation that’s just conjecture that’s truth.
I'm still upset that Leach didn't attend Pro Day. Barring some major situation that screams I don't care. I've never heard of any successful coach doing players like that. Current players are watching this. The because I said so mentality will become a downfall quickly. However, Leach is pimping this university so he wins either way.
that's all good and well to say now, but if we go 6-6 with an OM loss (for the 3rd year in a row) the fanbase WILL revolt by ending their attendance. Cohen won't have a choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
He make a bowl Cohen isn’t firing him minus an off-field incident.Quote:
Originally Posted by calidawg
6-6 with a loss to Ole Miss again, no way he keeps his job. We have 4 gimmie wins on the schedule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
I thought you were saying something different previously regarding this year's expectations as if Leach was on notice sir .Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
My opinion is we should win a minimum 8 regular season games.Quote:
Originally Posted by OLJWales
My expectation is that if he goes 6-6 Cohen isn’t going to get rid of him.
Gotcha. I take it then Your's & Cohen's minimum expectations may differ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Not sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by OLJWales
It's not manipulation. It's a fact. I'm just counting regular season games and you are counting bowl games. Both are facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
But to get to 34 you are giving Dan credit for a game in which he didn't even coach. At best, even counting bowl games, dan won 33 games his last four years, which is 8.25 as I stated above (Which is phenomenal at Miss State by the way- never been done before and likely never will again).
If we go 8-4 against the toughest schedule in college football with the worst talent in the west then leach should probably win sec coach of the year.
Certainly should at 9-3.
Agreed, I would take 7-5 with this schedule.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Either way, Cohen's ass would be on the hot seat. Keep him after a mediocre year would be a hotter seat than firing him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
I highly doubt Cohen's ass will be on the hot seat unless Jans, the women's basketball coach, and Leach all don't work out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
& that’s the problem with MSU Athletics. We have to bottom out in everything before we see a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I may be wrong but I truly think Jans is an A+ hire and will end up saving Cohen. I think this is a home run and everyone who reads my posts know that I am the furthest thing from a sunshine pumper. I wanted Jans awhile ago we just didn?t have good enough cause to fire Howland before. I am 50/50 on Leach and always have been. He hasn?t done anything terrible to convince me he won?t work but he hasn?t don?t anything to convince me he will. I suspect this season will tell that tale
C34 used to make the argument that bowls don't count when he was being anti-Mullen. Posters have adopted that stance as a way to minimize what Mullen did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
I think it has been a problem, but I don't know that it is now. Firing Moorhead after 2 season (both seasons making Bowls and wins over OM) went against the typical MSU way - and shocked a lot of outsiders. Honestly, it can be argued that letting Howland go this season does too - in the old days we would have kept him until we had multiple seasons with losing records. Don't mistake that for when we should have fired either of them - but it would have been suicide to fire Moorhead after 1 season unless there was a scandal. In hindsight, I think he could have been fired for the cheating, but that would have probably been a stretch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Leach teams typically perform poorly in game 1 and in bowl games, right? Kind of like triple option teams (with the exception of whenever we play them in bowl games). I don't know how much the TT game means. Now, that makes the Memphis game pretty scary, and that's one we have to have. It also doesn't explain the Ole Miss debacle last year. We should have been playing our best at that point, and we stunk it up for 90% of that game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
We better come out fired up ready to play. I ain't sunshine pumping next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by PMDawg
And what is funny about that is that C34 has also used bowl games when it helps his argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
I've never believed bowl games are an accurate barometer, especially since about 2015 when the players started quitting before the bowl games.
Making a bowl game is important for a myriad of reasons (publicity, practice, means a good year, etc), but the game itself is nothing more than an exhibition unless it is a playoff game.
Bowl games are a terrible measuring stick unless it?s a playoff or NY6. The other ones are just pointless. I like watching football so I don?t complain about there being too many like others do, but I don?t get to worked up about whether we win or lose them. The orange bowl was different that annoyed me how unprepared we were because that?s a big game on a big stage.
Another factor is the approach that coaches take to bowl games. We all know Jackie looked at bowls as a fun trip, and the team did too - and we lost a lot of bowls we probably should have won because of it. Leach seems to take the same approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
deleteQuote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
Yeah and Leach is .500 in bowl games so not poor as some have said. Not great but not poor, just average.Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG