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11-20-2013, 05:51 PM
Sidewalkdawg

It all has to do with expectations. When we started out at 8-0, we had great expectations from there, and any let down would me magnified. Ole miss was exactly the opposite last year. They had zero expectations, or at least the ones I work with, so anything positive was exaggerated too. When you step back, most logical people would rather have the overall season we had last year.
11-20-2013, 05:58 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Sidewalkdawg

It all has to do with expectations. When we started out at 8-0, we had great expectations from there, and any let down would me magnified. Ole miss was exactly the opposite last year. They had zero expectations, or at least the ones I work with, so anything positive was exaggerated too. When you step back, most logical people would rather have the overall season we had last year.

It was 7-0, and I disagree. Most logical people could tell that Ole miss was rising while we were falling.

Mark my words, those same people that were saying "we had a better season last year because 8 wins is better than 7"....will be the same ones this year saying "well technically we had a better season than them because we ended the year winning and beat Ole miss...even though their record was one win better, we had the better year".
11-20-2013, 06:00 PM
Sidewalkdawg

Your talking about momentum, and a week from now we should get that back
11-20-2013, 06:01 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by The Croom Diaries

We are right in the middle never losing to team with a SEC record less than 6-2 except to Ole Miss last year who was 3-5 and Auburn in 2011 who was 4-4 - which were the only games we were favored in. .

We were not favored last year vs OM. The only game Mullen has lost that we were favored in was at Auburn in 2011
11-20-2013, 06:01 PM
Sidewalkdawg

A week from tomorrow actually.
11-20-2013, 06:11 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

It was 7-0, and I disagree. Most logical people could tell that Ole miss was rising while we were falling.

Mark my words, those same people that were saying "we had a better season last year because 8 wins is better than 7"....will be the same ones this year saying "well technically we had a better season than them because we ended the year winning and beat Ole miss...even though their record was one win better, we had the better year".

Anybody that says that is a moron- the only way we could have a better season than OM this year is if they lose out and we win out. 7 wins each and we have the Egg

Only a dumb mf'er thinks 8-5 (4-4 in the SEC) and a Gator bowl was a worse season than 7-6 (3-5 in the SEC) and a shit bowl in B'ham. You would almost have to be a toothless methhead Gump to be stupid enough to think that
11-20-2013, 06:19 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Anybody that says that is a moron- the only way we could have a better season than OM this year is if they lose out and we win out. 7 wins each and we have the Egg

Only a dumb mf'er thinks 8-5 (4-4 in the SEC) and a Gator bowl was a worse season than 7-6 (3-5 in the SEC) and a shit bowl in B'ham. You would almost have to be a toothless methhead Gump to be stupid enough to think that

Again, watch and see what happens if we win the last two and ole miss loses their last two....your ass will be the ring leader of "we had a better season!" Even though by your logic in this post, we didn't.

You probably won't do it now that I pointed it out, but just wait and see, several will.

But record does NOT always say who had the better season. Different competition equals different results, which equals no way to compare apples to apples. For instance, 8-4 with our schedule this year, is likely better than most any other SEC team going 9-3 and a better bowl. Because we have a much tougher schedule than most this year.
11-20-2013, 06:27 PM
HoopsDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach34

Anybody that says that is a moron- the only way we could have a better season than OM this year is if they lose out and we win out. 7 wins each and we have the Egg

Only a dumb mf'er thinks 8-5 (4-4 in the SEC) and a Gator bowl was a worse season than 7-6 (3-5 in the SEC) and a shit bowl in B'ham. You would almost have to be a toothless methhead Gump to be stupid enough to think that

I didn't enjoy our season last year at all. I enjoyed the UT game, that's it. All of the Ole Miss fans I know enjoyed the hell out of their season.
11-20-2013, 06:32 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Again, watch and see what happens if we win the last two and ole miss loses their last two....your ass will be the ring leader of "we had a better season!" Even though by your logic in this post, we didn't.

You probably won't do it now that I pointed it out, but just wait and see, several will..

You seriously need to stop speaking for me- you are terrible at it.

Anybody that thinks less wins are better than more wins is ****ing rahtard. End of story
11-20-2013, 06:33 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

I didn't enjoy our season last year at all. .

If you cant enjoy 8 win seasons at Miss State- you wont ever be happy
11-20-2013, 06:34 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

You seriously need to stop speaking for me- you are terrible at it.

Anybody that thinks less wins are better than more wins is ****ing rahtard. End of story

You like Louisville's season this year better than our season in 2010?
11-20-2013, 06:35 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

If you cant enjoy 8 win seasons at Miss State- you wont ever be happy

wrong buddy, I enjoyed the hell out of our 5-7 season in Mullen's first year. We had tough non-conference. We beat the hell out of OM. We took LSU to the wire. That's was an enjoyable season to me. The product we have put on the field the last 3 years is not up to par.
11-20-2013, 06:37 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

Mullen may not have raised the ceiling of the MSU program, but I think it's definitely a fair thing to say that he has raised the floor. The days of 2-3 win seasons are long gone. I also don't think 0 or 1 win SEC seasons are possible either.

He has proven to be consistent - now what level of consistency is probably an issue, but you can't argue that he hasn't at a minimum raised the floor of MSU football and that is no easy task.

In five years he has proven that he won't turn MSU into a dumpster fire. That may sound like a trivial point, but based on our current history, its not something to be glossed over.

Well put
11-20-2013, 06:40 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

You seriously need to stop speaking for me- you are terrible at it.

Anybody that thinks less wins are better than more wins is ****ing rahtard. End of story

Haha, you have no clue then.

So by your logic, a Sunbelt team that wins 9 games is better than a SEC team that wins 8? Thanks for pointing out who the rahtard is.
11-20-2013, 06:51 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

So by your logic, a Sunbelt team that wins 9 games is better than a SEC team that wins 8? Thanks for pointing out who the rahtard is.

Why are you changing conferences? Dont change the subject

4-4 in the SEC is better than 3-5 in the SEC
8 wins is > 7 wins
Gator Bowl > Shitty Birmingham bowl

If you cant understand that you are stupid and I cant help you
11-20-2013, 06:55 PM
engie

The point is -- it's far more objective to measure "how good a team actually was" instead of just "how many wins they had".
11-20-2013, 07:00 PM
Political Hack

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Anybody that says that is a moron- the only way we could have a better season than OM this year is if they lose out and we win out. 7 wins each and we have the Egg

Only a dumb mf'er thinks 8-5 (4-4 in the SEC) and a Gator bowl was a worse season than 7-6 (3-5 in the SEC) and a shit bowl in B'ham. You would almost have to be a toothless methhead Gump to be stupid enough to think that

I would rather have 7 wins with one being them than 8 wins and a loss to them that let's them get in a bowl game. That said, that wouldn't mean we had a better season. it would just mean we won Mississippi... and this is still Our State.
11-20-2013, 07:05 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by engie

The point is -- it's far more objective to measure "how good a team actually was" instead of just "how many wins they had".

That's usually done when comparing teams from different conferences- Until last November, in my 44 years I've never heard people talk about a team from the same conference having a better season when they won fewer games overall as well as in conference, and then went to a worse bowl game.
11-20-2013, 07:07 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

I would rather have 7 wins with one being them than 8 wins and a loss to them that let's them get in a bowl game. That said, that wouldn't mean we had a better season.

Of course it wouldnt- there would be no way to justify it
11-20-2013, 07:08 PM
ShotgunDawg

Just wanted to be the 100th post in this thread.

What do I win?
11-20-2013, 07:13 PM
CadaverDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by engie

The point is -- it's far more objective to measure "how good a team actually was" instead of just "how many wins they had".

Exactly
11-20-2013, 07:21 PM
engie

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Originally Posted by Coach34

That's usually done when comparing teams from different conferences- Until last November, in my 44 years I've never heard people talk about a team from the same conference having a better season when they won fewer games overall as well as in conference, and then went to a worse bowl game.

And you'd never seen a 14 team league with crazily unbalanced schedules either. There is far less parity in the schedules now -- a fact that is undeniable.

The only reason they won fewer games than us is because they lost to a 9-win Vanderbilt and 12-win Georgia team -- while we beat a 2-10 Kentucky and 5-7 Tennessee. Such is the luck of scheduling now with 14 teams.

Find me any end of season unbiased ranking metric that says we were a better team than Ole Miss last year -- because EVERY unbiased metric I've seen had them as better than us. I'm a big fan of using the computer metrics to determine "how good a team actually was". I think it's the best/most accurate method going.
11-20-2013, 07:25 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by engie

Find me any end of season unbiased ranking metric that says we were a better team than Ole Miss last year -- because EVERY unbiased metric I've seen had them as better than us...Sagarin had them at 24th and us at 42nd for instance.

I dont have to find shit

4-4 in the SEC is better than 3-5 in the SEC
8 wins is > 7 wins
Gator Bowl > Shitty Birmingham bowl

Those are all the metrics needed

If you cant understand that you are stupid and I cant help you
11-20-2013, 07:35 PM
Coach34

Quote:

Originally Posted by engie

And you'd never seen a 14 team league with crazily unbalanced schedules either. There is far less parity in the schedules now -- a fact that is undeniable.

The only reason they won fewer games than us is because they lost to a 9-win Vanderbilt and 12-win Georgia team -- while we beat a 2-10 Kentucky and 5-7 Tennessee. Such is the luck of scheduling now with 14 teams.

By your logic- A&M had a better season than Bama last year

A&M beat Bama
Bama played Mizzou and Tenn- both had losing records....but A&M had to play Sugar Bowl team Florida from the East- making it an unfair schedule
Only 1 loss difference between the teams

A&M had a better season than the National Champs...good to know
11-20-2013, 07:47 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I dont have to find shit

If you cant understand that you are stupid and I cant help you

Uh oh, name calling. The tell-tale sign of someone losing an argument and knowing it.
11-20-2013, 07:49 PM
Dallas_Dawg

This is a long, stupid, and pointless thread. Our biggest game of the year is Saturday. Let's hear about that
11-20-2013, 07:49 PM
bluelightstar

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I dont have to find shit

4-4 in the SEC is better than 3-5 in the SEC
8 wins is > 7 wins
Gator Bowl > Shitty Birmingham bowl

Those are all the metrics needed

If you cant understand that you are stupid and I cant help you

None of those things are relevant to who was a better team. You are literally doing with last year what you accuse people of doing with this year.
11-20-2013, 07:51 PM
Will James

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Originally Posted by Coach34

If you cant enjoy 8 win seasons at Miss State- you wont ever be happy

Enjoyment comes from signs of hope. Enjoyment comes from overcoming tension. Putting out a dumpster fire does not provoke these feelings. Tennessee was enjoyable.

But compared to the absolute unenjoyable nature of A&M, Bama, LSU, OM, and NW the nature of our badness vastly outweighed any semblance of good. Expected wins and big game beat downs don't do it for me even if we have 8 wins! 8 wins!
11-20-2013, 07:55 PM
Dawgface

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Uh oh, name calling. The tell-tale sign of someone losing an argument and knowing it.

It also tells something about the character of the poster.
11-20-2013, 08:00 PM
engie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach34

I dont have to find shit

4-4 in the SEC is better than 3-5 in the SEC
8 wins is > 7 wins
Gator Bowl > Shitty Birmingham bowl

Those are all the metrics needed

If you cant understand that you are stupid and I cant help you

You haven't adequately or accurately refuted a thing I said. You don't want to look at the unbiased metrics because you already know that you don't like what they tell you.

You could argue that "MSU had a better season" last year -- and I might agree. But you'd have to be deaf, blind, and stupid to say MSU had a better TEAM last year. This was proven with an exclamation point on the field --- and in practically EVERY UNBIASED COMPUTER METRIC OUT THERE.

That's what I said already -- and backtracking to preschool logic and namecalling doesn't change a thing about it.

By your logic, Florida 2010 > MSU 2010 because Outback Bowl > Gator Bowl and 4-4 SEC = 4-4 SEC. So, the better team gets the better bowl, right?
11-20-2013, 08:01 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by engie

You haven't adequately or accurately refuted a thing I said. You don't want to look at the unbiased metrics because you already know that you don't like what they tell you.

You could argue that "MSU had a better season" last year -- and I might agree. But you'd have to be deaf, blind, and stupid to say MSU had a better TEAM last year. This was proven with an exclamation point on the field --- and in practically EVERY UNBIASED COMPUTER METRIC OUT THERE.

That's what I said already -- and backtracking to preschool logic and namecalling doesn't change a thing about it.

By your logic, Florida 2010 > MSU 2010 because Outback Bowl > Gator Bowl and 4-4 SEC = 4-4 SEC. So, the better team gets the better bowl, right?

damn, this thread is a beatdown. Let's take it easy on Coach, he seems to be having a bad betting season.
11-20-2013, 08:08 PM
PassInterference

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Originally Posted by Will James

Enjoyment comes from signs of hope. Enjoyment comes from overcoming tension. Putting out a dumpster fire does not provoke these feelings. Tennessee was enjoyable.

But compared to the absolute unenjoyable nature of A&M, Bama, LSU, OM, and NW the nature of our badness vastly outweighed any semblance of good. Expected wins and big game beat downs don't do it for me even if we have 8 wins! 8 wins!

Streaks factor heavily also. Last year was frustrating because most all the games we lost were consecutive losses.

Look at OM this year. With a few losses in a row they were poring gasoline into dumpsters.
11-20-2013, 08:11 PM
engie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach34

By your logic- A&M had a better season than Bama last year

A&M beat Bama
Bama played Mizzou and Tenn- both had losing records....but A&M had to play Sugar Bowl team Florida from the East- making it an unfair schedule
Only 1 loss difference between the teams

A&M had a better season than the National Champs...good to know

Uh -- NO.

Good job of leaving off BY FAR the most important part of my analysis to try to fit your ridiculous agenda though.

By EVERY unbiased computer metric out there, Alabama was superior to aTm. Much in the same way that Ole Miss was superior to us in every unbiased metric. The lowest Bama was in ANY computer metric out there = #3. They were ranked ahead of aTm in 123 of 124 computer metrics shown on the Massey composite...
http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/arch/compare2012-15.htm
11-20-2013, 08:18 PM
CadaverDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach34

I dont have to find shit

4-4 in the SEC is better than 3-5 in the SEC
8 wins is > 7 wins
Gator Bowl > Shitty Birmingham bowl

Those are all the metrics needed

If you cant understand that you are stupid and I cant help you

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11-20-2013, 08:19 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by engie

You could argue that "MSU had a better season" last year -- and I might agree.

Ummmm- wtf am I missing? This is what I've been saying?

I said "Only a dumb mf'er thinks 8-5 (4-4 in the SEC) and a Gator bowl was a worse season than 7-6 (3-5 in the SEC) and a shit bowl in B'ham. You would almost have to be a toothless methhead Gump to be stupid enough to think that

Then I said "Anybody that thinks less wins are better than more wins is ****ing rahtard"

Thanks for finally agreeing we had the better season....took you long enough. I havent one time said we were the better team. Some of you need to learn to read.
11-20-2013, 08:20 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by engie

Uh -- NO.

Good job of leaving off BY FAR the most important part of my analysis to try to fit your ridiculous agenda though.

By EVERY unbiased computer metric out there, Alabama was superior to aTm. Much in the same way that Ole Miss was superior to us in every unbiased metric. The lowest Bama was in ANY computer metric out there = #3. They were ranked ahead of aTm in 123 of 124 computer metrics shown on the Massey composite...
http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/arch/compare2012-15.htm

Nooooo- I used the unbalanced SEC schedule that you used to measure State and Ole Miss. You brought up the unbalanced schedule- not me. Dont get mad when it doesnt work out like you wanted.
11-20-2013, 08:22 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

damn, this thread is a beatdown. Let's take it easy on Coach, he seems to be having a bad betting season.

beatdown? He just ****ing agreed with the point I was making. Game Over.
11-20-2013, 08:24 PM
engie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach34

Nooooo- I used the unbalanced SEC schedule that you used to measure State and Ole Miss. You brought up the unbalanced schedule- not me. Dont get mad when it doesnt work out like you wanted.

You mean when you go to twisting shit by omitting the ENTIRE BASIS of my point to fit your agenda?

Where did I bring up unbalanced schedules without also bringing up the FACT THAT COMPUTER METRICS BECOME THE BEST WAY TO MEASURE THE ACTUAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN TEAMS with hugely unbalanced schedules?

And you are bitching about MY reading comprehension? Seems to me that someone else needs to "learn to ****ing read".
11-20-2013, 08:29 PM
Coach34

wow- that's why you and the BCS are so flawed. It doesnt take a computer to see who had the best season.

Less wins, less conference wins, and a lower bowl means better season. Gotcha
Unbalanced schedule matters when its State-Ole Miss- but not when it's Bama-A&M
11-20-2013, 08:33 PM
engie

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Originally Posted by Coach34

wow- that's why you and the BCS are so flawed. It doesnt take a computer to see who had the best season.

Less wins, less conference wins, and a lower bowl means better season. Gotcha

LOL -- "me and the bcs are so flawed" huh?

Coach34 -- Smarter than MATH!

We should just drop to C-USA so we can have "better seasons" by Coach34 standards...

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