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11-07-2021, 05:56 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

I know it's still early and Will has a long ways to go but being a true soph ... he's progressing real well. Has to keep at it and improving tho.

No doubt that still things to improve on. He has shown tremendous progress and he definitely has the work ethic to continue to make the strides necessary to keep improving.
11-07-2021, 05:57 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Even better then. I tend to forget about that.

Yeah he has 3 more years after this one if he so chooses.
11-07-2021, 06:22 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Dak Holliday

80% of his throws have been 15 yards or less. Don?t get so infatuated with our guy to become completely unable to use reason. Greek may have similar numbers had he been here and started instead of Will. I would argue that almost any P5 QB would have the same type numbers and there are a few that might have more. Leach?s scheme is the star. He doesn?t need a ton of actual talent to run it, or so he says.

You think every other P5 qb would be as accurate and as good as a decision maker as will in this offense? I disagree
11-07-2021, 06:26 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Passer rating included? That's the stat that makes all qbs equal as a passer, regardless of difference in passing attempts. It's the gold standard imo

No bc it punishes teams who throw the ball a lot.
11-07-2021, 06:27 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Dak Holliday

Look, Bucky, I agree that Will is not losing us games. Read it again slowly- WILL IS NOT THE REASON WE LOST THE GAME. He?s a very good system QB in the right system. That?s typically a recipe for success. That being said, outside of his grit and toughness, there is very little special about him that couldn?t be replaced by almost any other D1 college QB with similar grit. He?s doing what he?s being asked to do and that?s good enough to put us in position to win.

Accuracy and decision making
11-07-2021, 06:27 PM
Bdawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Passer rating included? That's the stat that makes all qbs equal as a passer, regardless of difference in passing attempts. It's the gold standard imo

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

We know, you bring it up anytime someone mentions a stat about Will.

Yep. Passer rating doesn't include heart, being clutch and the will to win. I'd say Will has shown these characteristics.
11-07-2021, 06:30 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Here's the passer rating leader nationally since 2012
2021: McCall
2020: mac Jones
2019: burrow
2018: tua
2017: mayfield
2016: mayfield
2015: Vernon Adams
2014: mariota
2013: Winston
2012: Winston

I'd say there's a strong correlation between great passer rating and great ability

It looks like there is a strong correlation between great passer rating and having better talent than everybody you play.
11-07-2021, 06:31 PM
Bdawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Passer rating included? That's the stat that makes all qbs equal as a passer, regardless of difference in passing attempts. It's the gold standard imo

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Here's the passer rating leader nationally since 2012
2021: McCall
2020: mac Jones
2019: burrow
2018: tua
2017: mayfield
2016: mayfield
2015: Vernon Adams
2014: mariota
2013: Winston
2012: Winston

I'd say there's a strong correlation between great passer rating and great ability

A lot of those guys are surrounded by great talent too. That makes thing easier on them. Things are more equal in the nfl.
11-07-2021, 06:38 PM
DAWG1903

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Good post ... as usual. Moving from our 25 to their 23 in :21 secs ... pretty darn impressive. While I love Dak ... the 2 min drill wasn't his forte'.

Amen! I don?t remember to many teams we have had that could have pulled that off. But the offense did and gave us the chance. As noted by others - we have to start faster. Will is already and will continue to set records.
11-08-2021, 07:58 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by confucius say

No bc it punishes teams who throw the ball a lot.

Lol, wut? The last 2 years, mac jones and burrow led the nation in passer rating and passing yards.
11-08-2021, 08:00 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Bdawg

A lot of those guys are surrounded by great talent too. That makes thing easier on them. Things are more equal in the nfl.

5 of the 7 started an nfl game this year. 6 of the 7 are in the nfl as qbs. Did they bring their supporting cast with them?
11-08-2021, 12:02 PM
PCHSDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

5 of the 7 started an nfl game this year. 6 of the 7 are in the nfl as qbs. Did they bring their supporting cast with them?

Maybe they are surrounded by NFL talent now? Just saying.
11-08-2021, 12:04 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by PCHSDawg

Maybe they are surrounded by NFL talent now? Just saying.

Nfl teams are keeping them on a roster for what reason?
Where's josh Rosen and the countless others that were high picks?

ETA... speaking of Rosen, I looked up his last passer rating at UCLA, 146.97, woof. Darnold (another bust) was 148.09
11-08-2021, 12:24 PM
Cooterpoot

Will is obviously still not 100% locked into the offense. Making a bad call to cost us points shows that. He's shown improvement though. Hard to knock him based on everything. And this offense still has a a ways to go. We've just started doing so things as the season has moved along. Players are getting comfortable in the offense too.
11-08-2021, 01:18 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Lol, wut? The last 2 years, mac jones and burrow led the nation in passer rating and passing yards.

Attempts. Not yards. Specifically, attempts in offenses that don't run the ball. A stat that penalizes yards per attempt will never be a good stat for the air raid.
11-08-2021, 01:26 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Attempts. Not yards. Specifically, attempts in offenses that don't run the ball. A stat that penalizes yards per attempt will never be a good stat for the air raid.

Jones was 4th in attempts last year
Burrow was 2nd in 2019

You're wrong. It's ok

ETA.. for instance, zappe is 2nd in att this year (43 less than will), and he's 13th in passer rating.
11-09-2021, 08:11 AM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Jones was 4th in attempts last year
Burrow was 2nd in 2019

You're wrong. It's ok

ETA.. for instance, zappe is 2nd in att this year (43 less than will), and he's 13th in passer rating.

None of those run the air raid. And run the ball more than us.
It is an undeniable fact that stat penalizes low yards per attempt, no?

Using that stat to minimize will or the air raid is just like me using completion percentage to prop up will and the air raid, bc this offense lends itself to low yards per attempt and high completion percentage. They are both misleading (and pointless) stats with this offense (unless you give will a team full of nfl guys like burrow and Jones had).
11-09-2021, 08:13 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by confucius say

None of those run the air raid.
It is an undeniable fact that stat penalizes low yards per attempt, no?

Using that stat to minimize will or the air raid is just like me using completion percentage to prop up will and the air raid, bc this offense lends itself to low yards per attempt and high completion percentage. They are both misleading (and pointless) stats with this offense (unless you give will a team full of nfl guys like burrow and Jones had).

Will's last 2 games in passer rating: 174.87 and 171.37. Both are outstanding, and so, no, he wasn't penalized
11-09-2021, 08:47 AM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by confucius say

None of those run the air raid. And run the ball more than us.
It is an undeniable fact that stat penalizes low yards per attempt, no?

Using that stat to minimize will or the air raid is just like me using completion percentage to prop up will and the air raid, bc this offense lends itself to low yards per attempt and high completion percentage. They are both misleading (and pointless) stats with this offense (unless you give will a team full of nfl guys like burrow and Jones had).

Good post. As Will is getting more acclimated to the offense and game slows down for him, seeing the field better and finding 3rd & 4th options, I'm seeing his ypa go up. Oline blocking better helps too.

Starting to think 7 has a hard on for Leach and just doesn't like him too much. Combine that with his boy Mullenz imploding at FL and he having a bad season **** Just messing with you 7.
11-09-2021, 08:57 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Good post. As Will is getting more acclimated to the offense and game slows down for him, seeing the field better and finding 3rd & 4th options, I'm seeing his ypa go up. Oline blocking better helps too.

Starting to think 7 has a hard on for Leach and just doesn't like him too much. Combine that with his boy Mullenz imploding at FL and he having a bad season **** Just messing with you 7.

I've actually been quite impressed with will and leach the last 2 weeks. I just can't stand things like "we lost bc the refs" or "the stats are biased against us".

Will has gone from 10th in the sec in passer rating up to 6th in the last few games. He's played much better, and his passer rating reflects that. Good job, will.
11-09-2021, 09:10 AM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I've actually been quite impressed with will and leach the last 2 weeks. I just can't stand things like "we lost bc the refs" or "the stats are biased against us".

Will has gone from 10th in the sec in passer rating up to 6th in the last few games. He's played much better, and his passer rating reflects that. Good job, will.

I almost never say "we lost cause of refs". They did hose us in both Arky and Memphis games but we shouldn't have been in a position to lose either of those games regardless. Our good run D gave up 200 yds rushing on Sat. We can't be letting that happen. They shouldn't have scored more than low-20's against us IMO.

My main concern right now with Leach is I'm not sure what his emphasis is on DL & LB & S recruiting. We ok but we need to be faster and more physical in all of those. DL & LB are where we need to reach for the 4* and the Jeff Simmons 5* types. Can't be letting other teams steal our homegrown stud DLs.
11-09-2021, 09:28 AM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Will's last 2 games in passer rating: 174.87 and 171.37. Both are outstanding, and so, no, he wasn't penalized

Impressive. Makes sense bc his average per attempt in both of those two games was 8.8, whereas his average was 6.4 coming into those games. Passer rating skied when his yards per attempt jumped 38%.
11-09-2021, 09:41 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Impressive. Makes sense bc his average per attempt in both of those two games was 8.8, whereas his average was 6.4 coming into those games. Passer rating skied when his yards per attempt jumped 38%.

It is impressive and a credit to will and leach. I preached all off-season about how the yds/att was a key to improved offense. I think we all see the improvement the last 2 weeks as that stat improved
11-09-2021, 10:10 AM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by msstate7

It is impressive and a credit to will and leach. I preached all off-season about how the yds/att was a key to improved offense. I think we all see the improvement the last 2 weeks as that stat improved

Yep. And I think the willingness to run the ball more has allowed for that stat to jump.
11-09-2021, 12:04 PM
Dak Holliday

Agree 100%👆🏼👆🏼👆🏼
One dimensional attack just doesn?t work against good opponents
11-09-2021, 04:09 PM
Percho

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Yep. And I think the willingness to run the ball more has allowed for that stat to jump.

Is it willingness to run or is it that our QB is beginning to understand when the run is there?
11-09-2021, 07:06 PM
Tater

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Originally Posted by Percho

Is it willingness to run or is it that our QB is beginning to understand when the run is there?

The second one.
11-09-2021, 09:31 PM
Percho

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Originally Posted by Tater

The second one.

I agree so I guess we must ask, does that mean Leach is a sorry teacher, Will is as dumb as a rock or it is one of those things that come with maturity and experience?
11-10-2021, 09:07 AM
Tater

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Originally Posted by Percho

I agree so I guess we must ask, does that mean Leach is a sorry teacher, Will is as dumb as a rock or it is one of those things that come with maturity and experience?

Experience diagnosing the defense. Maybe a little maturity too but I'm not sure. Will still isn't fully there with reading imo. Currently he's committing to the run too much imo. At least at the goaline. There are plays where you can tell presnap in the last two games that we're running no matter what. I think with time that will get worked out of his system. He's got 3 more years here and after watching the last two games on him I'm sold he can do what needs to be done. He's fitting passes into tight windows which will defeat drop 8.

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