Nick Rolovich (Wazzu) fired with cause

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Originally Posted by Hot Rock

There have been vaccine mandates for generations in order to attend public school. Why is everyone so pissed off over this one?

I think it is because of the internet and social media. There is misinformation ranging from bold faced lies to partial truths that has created a divide between groups.

If you have a stance, there is a place you can go to reinforce your beliefs on the internet. We aren't living in the information age but the misinformation age.

Among the major news sources the worst offenders are FOX, CNN and MSNBC. I find ABC & CBS are much less biased and I prefer BBC. I find BBC the least biased. I see them reporting US News from an outsiders view point which I find refreshing.

Oh well, this pandemic surely is coming to a close. We should be getting closer to that herd immunity thingy at some point. At least that's my story and I am sticking to it.

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1) It's new. It seems pretty safe, but people don't like being mandated to take something when they don't know what, if any, long term impacts there are.
2) If you're youngish and healthy, Covid is still pretty low risk to you. The vaccine is leaky. Combine that with the fact that the vaccine is new, and it's not the type of disease that warrants trampling on people's liberty.
3) The mandates are a little bit about public health, but it's a lot about putting the thumb down on people. That's why there isn't the obvious exception for prior infection. They want people to get the vaccine, but they'll gladly sacrifice some willing compliance in exchange for being able to get the satisfaction of forcing people to get it with the threat of their livelihood. People see that it's more about putting the thumb down on people so that makes them distrust any statements about its safety or efficacy.
4) Pretty much every institution associated with the government has shown itself to be a combination of partisan and incompetent. Some of the incompetence is because they are partisan, but some of the dumb partisanship is because they are staffed with the type of mediocrities that have the intelligence that leads to being partisan and incompetent independently. That doesn't inspire a lot of confidence. This is compounded by them saying stupid things like "the vaccine is proven safe", when obviously it's not proven safe for the things people are largely worried about.
5) A lot of medical associations have shown themselves to place more emphasis on wokeness than competency and science. People don't pay attention enough to know which ones are still focused on science and which ones aren't, so they don't have a trusted source to look to.
6) There's no credible news institution that people can rely on. We have "infotainment" like the news stations and hopelessly compromised places like Reuters, the AP, the NYT, etc., so they can't point people to credible sources, or at least can't be trusted when they say a source is credible.

If in five years you don't see any negative impacts from the mRNA vaccines, there won't be nearly as much trouble getting people to take the annual ones that are presumably coming like the flu shot. And hopefully we'll get some mRNA vaccines for other existing viruses.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/whi...cdc-ignore-3e2

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OH my! You don't hear that on the mainstream news, do you!

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

You need to take off the tinfoil hat.

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haha- I got to hear this. What part of his post incorrect?

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Originally Posted by Coach34

haha- I got to hear this. What part of his post incorrect?

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All of it. It does do a nice summation of every crack pot conspiracy theory out there though. Just for the record to head you off, he only Democrat I have ever voted for in an election for a national level post is John C. Stennis.

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

OH my! You don't hear that on the mainstream news, do you!

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With reason.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

All of it. It does do a nice summation of every crack pot conspiracy theory out there though. Just for the record to head you off, he only Democrat I have ever voted for in an election for a national level post is John C. Stennis.

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Wow. So you believe the virus came from a wet market Pangolin? You're even more dumb than I thought

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

With reason.

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What a first hand account of events? Posters on this site quote friends of friends of friends that work in the medical profession to form and post their opinion, but here you have a first hand account and you poo poo it!

Priceless!

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Originally Posted by parabrave

Not this idiot we got for a Pope.

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Yep. The current pope has been left winged authoritarian and his position means absolute dick. If I'm a Catholic , I go with my heart and Bible; not what an overly political pope says.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

That too but it's better the other way around. What you had backwards is natural immunity being better than the vaccine. Most reputable studies show exactly the opposite. There have been a few that have been seized on by certain media outlets that show the other way, but the preponderance of the evidence so far says the vaccines do better.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Why? You had to take government mandated vaccines when you were a kid. Government vaccine mandates have been around, and legal, since vaccines have. George Washington even mandated small pox inoculation for the Continental Army. It helped us win our independence because the British didn't and their army here suffered terribly from it.

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If natural immunity is not as good then why is the federal government adding proof of Covid as compliance with the vaccine mandate? This is an EO and there is no precedent for the Supreme Court and federal vaccine mandates. It says on the CDC website that mRNA vaccines are a new treatment for these types of viruses. Are you saying they are lying?

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Gonna create a whole new category of law practice for all the lawsuits coming over this stuff.

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The job of the future is Vaccine and COVID law.

"One Call, That's All"

Opening question to Dr. Fauci, "What is gain of function and why was it too dangerous to do in American labs"

2nd Question, "Why were you and your associates sponsoring it in Wuhan?"

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

1) It's new. It seems pretty safe, but people don't like being mandated to take something when they don't know what, if any, long term impacts there are.
2) If you're youngish and healthy, Covid is still pretty low risk to you. The vaccine is leaky. Combine that with the fact that the vaccine is new, and it's not the type of disease that warrants trampling on people's liberty.
3) The mandates are a little bit about public health, but it's a lot about putting the thumb down on people. That's why there isn't the obvious exception for prior infection. They want people to get the vaccine, but they'll gladly sacrifice some willing compliance in exchange for being able to get the satisfaction of forcing people to get it with the threat of their livelihood. People see that it's more about putting the thumb down on people so that makes them distrust any statements about its safety or efficacy.
4) Pretty much every institution associated with the government has shown itself to be a combination of partisan and incompetent. Some of the incompetence is because they are partisan, but some of the dumb partisanship is because they are staffed with the type of mediocrities that have the intelligence that leads to being partisan and incompetent independently. That doesn't inspire a lot of confidence. This is compounded by them saying stupid things like "the vaccine is proven safe", when obviously it's not proven safe for the things people are largely worried about.
5) A lot of medical associations have shown themselves to place more emphasis on wokeness than competency and science. People don't pay attention enough to know which ones are still focused on science and which ones aren't, so they don't have a trusted source to look to.
6) There's no credible news institution that people can rely on. We have "infotainment" like the news stations and hopelessly compromised places like Reuters, the AP, the NYT, etc., so they can't point people to credible sources, or at least can't be trusted when they say a source is credible.

If in five years you don't see any negative impacts from the mRNA vaccines, there won't be nearly as much trouble getting people to take the annual ones that are presumably coming like the flu shot. And hopefully we'll get some mRNA vaccines for other existing viruses.

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Your #2 is disgusting. Completely and absolutely disgusting.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Wow. So you believe the virus came from a wet market Pangolin? You're even more dumb than I thought

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You have no educated idea where it came from and neither do I. You are just as dumb as I have always thought you were.

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

What a first hand account of events? Posters on this site quote friends of friends of friends that work in the medical profession to form and post their opinion, but here you have a first hand account and you poo poo it!

Priceless!

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That is your account is it?

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

You have no educated idea where it came from and neither do I. You are just as dumb as I have always thought you were.

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You have not been keeping up. Fauci and the Chi-Com lab are real. We've been lied to.

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Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX

If natural immunity is not as good then why is the federal government adding proof of Covid as compliance with the vaccine mandate? This is an EO and there is no precedent for the Supreme Court and federal vaccine mandates. It says on the CDC website that mRNA vaccines are a new treatment for these types of viruses. Are you saying they are lying?

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Good grief, I read, and understand, studies. By the way, there have been federal vaccine mandates since we have had a military. You are using some one the worst of the anitvaxx nut job things too. Vaccines are not treatment.

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Originally Posted by OLJWales

You have not been keeping up. Fauci and the Chi-Com lab are real. We've been lied to.

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I have been keeping up, but there is no evidence of that yet, except in nut job conspiracy crap. It may turn out to be true, but then again it may not. People just take things and run with them. The thing is, it really makes no difference now, the genie is out of the bottle. What do you want to do, nuke China?

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Your #2 is disgusting. Completely and absolutely disgusting.

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Are you for mandate Covid vaccines?

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Your #2 is disgusting. Completely and absolutely disgusting.

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I though it was spot on along with his other stuff.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

I have been keeping up, but there is no evidence of that yet, except in nut job conspiracy crap. It may turn out to be true, but then again it may not. People just take things and run with them. The thing is, it really makes no difference now, the genie is out of the bottle. What do you want to do, nuke China?

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Start by firing Fauci. He also was in charge when antibiotics were being pumped out like candy. He and his pharma peddling wife need to be in jail..

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Originally Posted by basedog

Are you for mandate Covid vaccines?

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by OLJWales

Start by firing Fauci. He also was in charge when antibiotics were being pumped out like candy. He and his pharma peddling wife need to be in jail..

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Firing him might make you feel better, but it's not going to change a thing. COVID will still be here and we will still be trying to convince idiots to do what's right. So, what exactly do you have against antibiotics?

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

You need to take off the tinfoil hat.

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You been wrong since day one on this thing. It's you that's been wearing the tinfoil hat. It's ok to come out of the basement now

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

You have no educated idea where it came from and neither do I. You are just as dumb as I have always thought you were.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXg3v8zQj2U

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Originally Posted by OLJWales

I though it was spot on along with his other stuff.

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That position says you are all for sacrificing others so you can do what you want. That argument is absolutely disgusting. It's also totally un-American. It is the hallmark of ALL tyrants.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Firing him might make you feel better, but it's not going to change a thing. COVID will still be here and we will still be trying to convince idiots to do what's right. So, what exactly do you have against antibiotics?

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Are you old enough to remember how they were over prescribed? I did my own research back then and refused to go long instead letting whatever ailed me to run its course without antibiotics. Haven't had a flu shot nor a covid shot. I'm 58 and recovered from covid about seven weeks or so ago. Extreme exhaustion is all that I suffered. For the first time since I can't remember for the first time I'm probably close to 20 years I did take medicine a five-day Supply on day 4 hours back on my feet. I think my reluctance to take antibiotics back in the day improve my immune system.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXg3v8zQj2U

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Stewart on Colbert is really educational. LOL. No wonder.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Wow. So you believe the virus came from a wet market Pangolin? You're even more dumb than I thought

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The Furim Cleavage Site (the pointy things coming off the ball) of the Virus does not even prefer the cells of any animal for "binding", more than humans. Human's are the top match.

https://images.theconversation.com/f...=1000&fit=clip

The protein spikes on the virus were mapped to various animals. The number-1 most appropriate animal for the Virus is Humans. Bats can't get this Virus. The pangolin is #2.

No Pangolin has ever been found with this Virus. Like Johnnie Cochran said, "if it doesn't fit, you must acquit." By the way, it is highly improbable for a virus to specialize for Humans but live in other creatures. Especially a creature that we do not co-habitat with. Also, like Johnie Cochran would say, "did you see any Pangolins in the Wuhan wet market and did you test him?" China released an inventory of the Wet Market offerings, there was no Pangolin. Maybe it's hard to inventory a sausage with 7 different varmints mixed in.

That said, non-China based scientists that routinely read and discuss Virology have documents (now deleted from Wuhan's published white papers) where a Virus that is 95% genetic match to COVID-19 was shown in 2012. The scientists are not hackers, they are the EliteDawgs of Virology. So they re-post, tag, and like documents from all over the world, related to Virology. It would be like posting a Tweet from John Cohen, even after Cohen deletes it, it will still exist with us. They have proof of COVID-19 without the Furim Cleavage Site, the pre-Engineered version basically.

My sisters (MSU grads) but with PhDs and MDs from schools in the Northeast are my source of information, I recommend anyone to explore this for themselves.

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Originally Posted by OLJWales

Are you old enough to remember how they were over prescribed? I did my own research back then and refused to go long instead letting whatever ailed me to run its course without antibiotics. Haven't had a flu shot nor a covid shot. I'm 58 and recovered from covid about seven weeks or so ago. Extreme exhaustion is all that I suffered. For the first time since I can't remember for the first time I'm probably close to 20 years I did take medicine a five-day Supply on day 4 hours back on my feet. I think my reluctance to take antibiotics back in the day improve my immune system.

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I'm your age, and NOW I understand. LOL. You are one of those. LOL again.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

That position says you are all for sacrificing others so you can do what you want. That argument is absolutely disgusting. It's also totally un-American. It is the hallmark of ALL tyrants.

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We the tyrants? Damn. Whose forcing who here? Are we pushing to make getting a shot illegal?

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Originally Posted by OLJWales

We the tyrants? Damn. Whose forcing who here? Are we pushing to make getting a shot illegal?

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For real. What a clown

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Stewart on Colbert is really educational. LOL. No wonder.

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Stewart's use of comedy to show idiotic it is for people to believe it wasnt from the lab makes its point very well.

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Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer

The Furim Cleavage Site (the pointy things coming off the ball) of the Virus does not even prefer the cells of any animal for "binding", more than humans. Human's are the top match.

https://images.theconversation.com/f...=1000&fit=clip

The protein spikes on the virus were mapped to various animals. The number-1 most appropriate animal for the Virus is Humans. Bats can't get this Virus. The pangolin is #2.

No Pangolin has ever been found with this Virus. Like Johnnie Cochran said, "if it doesn't fit, you must acquit." By the way, it is highly improbable for a virus to specialize for Humans but live in other creatures. Especially a creature that we do not co-habitat with. Also, like Johnie Cochran would say, "did you see any Pangolins in the Wuhan wet market and did you test him?" China released an inventory of the Wet Market offerings, there was no Pangolin. Maybe it's hard to inventory a sausage with 7 different varmints mixed in.

That said, non-China based scientists that routinely read and discuss Virology have documents (now deleted from Wuhan's published white papers) where a Virus that is 95% genetic match to COVID-19 was shown in 2012. The scientists are not hackers, they are the EliteDawgs of Virology. So they re-post, tag, and like documents from all over the world, related to Virology. It would be like posting a Tweet from John Cohen, even after Cohen deletes it, it will still exist with us. They have proof of COVID-19 without the Furim Cleavage Site, the pre-Engineered version basically.

My sisters (MSU grads) but with PhDs and MDs from schools in the Northeast are my source of information, I recommend anyone to explore this for themselves.

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Thank you Sir for the excellent post.

https://i.postimg.cc/yYdBxySD/img-1-1634220970857.jpg

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

That position says you are all for sacrificing others so you can do what you want. That argument is absolutely disgusting. It's also totally un-American. It is the hallmark of ALL tyrants.

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Yeah, just like last you when you wanted everyone to stay at home while you went to your "essential job". That's a tyrant if you ask me. But carry on.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Yeah, just like last you when you wanted everyone to stay at home while you went to your "essential job". That's a tyrant if you ask me. But carry on.

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We shut down the country but left Wal-Mart and the liquor stores open.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXg3v8zQj2U

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I remember watching that. Funny but sad. Of course Stewart isn't a "scientist" but he's exposing the fallacies of how someone could really question the origin of a virus that came from a city that had a biosafety level 4 laboratory that primarily works with coronaviruses. It seems like it would be common sense to assume the virus came from that lab but you have a side of the aisle that champions they are the critical thinkers following the science and the only ones with rational thoughts while everyone else must be silenced, canceled, and treated like children. Politics aside how can a rational person not assume that's where covid originated?

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

That position says you are all for sacrificing others so you can do what you want. That argument is absolutely disgusting. It's also totally un-American. It is the hallmark of ALL tyrants.

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You need help man. Seriously.

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Originally Posted by OLJWales

Are you old enough to remember how they were over prescribed? I did my own research back then and refused to go long instead letting whatever ailed me to run its course without antibiotics. Haven't had a flu shot nor a covid shot. I'm 58 and recovered from covid about seven weeks or so ago. Extreme exhaustion is all that I suffered. For the first time since I can't remember for the first time I'm probably close to 20 years I did take medicine a five-day Supply on day 4 hours back on my feet. I think my reluctance to take antibiotics back in the day improve my immune system.

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Then consider yourself lucky. I'm a decade younger than you, in decent shape, non-smoker, rarely have taken antibiotics, never gotten a flu shot, never had the flu, had 1 sinus infection in 20 years as my only illness.
A year ago this week I got what I thought was a sinus infection which turned out to be COVID. I hit my 10 day mark and thought it had cleared, when my O2 level crashed and I was admitted for COVID pneumonia. O2 level was 82, then dropped my first 24 hours in the hospital. Spent a week on oxygen and getting remdesivir treatments along with about a dozen other things. A year in and I'm still not back to pre-COVID capacity. No cardio capacity, sleep cycles out of whack, battle with exhaustion.
So just because it doesn't impact you doesn't mean others have the same experience.

And I got the vaccine as soon as I could so I can lessen my future risks.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

That too but it's better the other way around. What you had backwards is natural immunity being better than the vaccine. Most reputable studies show exactly the opposite. There have been a few that have been seized on by certain media outlets that show the other way, but the preponderance of the evidence so far says the vaccines do better.

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Have you read the Israel study?

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Then consider yourself lucky. I'm a decade younger than you, in decent shape, non-smoker, rarely have taken antibiotics, never gotten a flu shot, never had the flu, had 1 sinus infection in 20 years as my only illness.
A year ago this week I got what I thought was a sinus infection which turned out to be COVID. I hit my 10 day mark and thought it had cleared, when my O2 level crashed and I was admitted for COVID pneumonia. O2 level was 82, then dropped my first 24 hours in the hospital. Spent a week on oxygen and getting remdesivir treatments along with about a dozen other things. A year in and I'm still not back to pre-COVID capacity. No cardio capacity, sleep cycles out of whack, battle with exhaustion.
So just because it doesn't impact you doesn't mean others have the same experience.

And I got the vaccine as soon as I could so I can lessen my future risks.

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Damn. I do consider myself lucky bruns. Fyi, I also have been pretty much a south beach diet for 25 years or so. 50 or so push ups or so daily. Glad you made it man.