OM isn?t going to wait for us to have 4 minutes of offensive output. All the time we are 17n around they are going to score 35 pts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Activated Alpha
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OM isn?t going to wait for us to have 4 minutes of offensive output. All the time we are 17n around they are going to score 35 pts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Activated Alpha
The things that stand out to me on both this game and the LATech game are that yes, we ?came back?, but ultimately did so when those teams coaches went ultra conservative to just finish out the game. It bit LATech in the butt- and should have, we are more talented, but it causes me to think that most coaches if up big late will allow us to dink and dunk down field eating up almost as much or more clock than if we ran the ball. Sometimes the tale of the tape is more than the scoreboard.
I agree and Arnett and his D better bring the A game that night. However I hope Leech will at least put emphasis on this gameQuote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
You just can't see what shotgun does bc shotgun wants to see it. He did this same crap after ever Moorhead debacleQuote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
It taking fifteen pass play drives to score wil NEVER,NEVER ,EVER work in the SEC. Defenses dropping eight and shutting you down is not making them uncomfortable, lol.
I do want to point out that I was sold on this offensive bringing more explosive plays. Only explosion I have had is with diarrhea after watching our offense this year
It did work in the SEC today. The defense giving up big plays on blown coverage lost us the game, not the offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobtail bob
14 play drives and controlling the clock is now a bad thing... weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
They just don't like Leach and will say whatever happens is wrong. If we win next week, it still won't really mean anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
Maybe we should come out against TAM and play like we are down 21-0...
I don't remember doing this with Moorhead. Maybe early, but this is way different. Remarkable if you can't see the difference and track record of coaches differenceQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Not true when your building a program.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
You really think us scoring 3 points in our first E-I-G-H-T drives today was not the reason we lost the game today? I mean, that seems kind of an impossible opinion to have today. Especially when you factor in the play of our OL, which was really good. Will had tons of time to pass, but the problem with the air raid is that you can get a ton of yards between the 20's, but once you get in red zone, you can struggle to score.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
I mean eight drives for 3 points, and you don't think that lost us the game? I think your bias for Leach is showing.
Only looking at the first 8 drives is arbitrary. I look at full games. 486 yards is almost always enough to win an SEC game, and when it's not, it's not the offense's fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
I can't believe some of you dumb mf'ers are even capable of getting up in the morning and getting your teeth brushed to drag your asses out the front door. Mike Leach makes $5,000,000 PER 17ING YEAR! Do some of you not comprehend that simple fact! Holy shit!
We should pay him $1M for every P5 win instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by State82
He might get excited about winning if we did.
It?s not cherry picking when your offense simply could not score against an average LSU defense until the 4th quarter when the game was in hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Look I?m glad you are happy that we scored 3TDs late in the game, I think it?s fools gold, you think we?ve turned a corner.
I truly hope you are right.
I agree with you? looks like pyrite
This may be a stupid question, but why does it put question marks in place of other punctuation marks on these posts? It has my ocd on point
New member here, but I've been lurking for quite awhile.
I agree with OP that we are really close to breaking out. All of you complaining about Will not connecting with wide open receivers tells me this offensive scheme works in the SEC. I agree Will needs to be a little more decisive with decision making.
I remember being in the stands watching us get beat by the University of Maine. Talk about being the low point of MSU football. They didn't even have enough players to fully fill the sidelines and you could see the ground tarp easily. That's one thing that stood out to me in that game.
Dan Mullen blew games all the time too. Remember the blowouts to LSU/Alabama in his early years? Remember losing to South Alabama?
Post more.Quote:
Originally Posted by memsu06
I?ll give the Leach haters this: none of us grew up playing in this offense and it goes against the DNA of the school. For those reasons, until it clearly works, you?re going to have a vocal group that fights against it. Same as when Norman Dale took over Hickory and implemented the 4 pass before shoot concept.
Everyone here wants to win. It?s just that this offense is so foreign to anything any of us have ever been acquainted with, most just don?t know how to look at it or what the path to it taking off is.
We tried smash mouth football with Dan Mullen. Sure we could run the ball really well, but when it came down to it we lost by 5 to Bama (although we got shorted that game) lost to Ole Miss in the Egg Bowl (more like blown out) then lost to Georgia Tech.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
The 2018 team under Dan would have been interesting though.
Point is MSU isn't going to win games trying to copy what Alabama does. We'll never recruit the players to outplay Bama on a regular basis.
The Air Raid works when executed properly. We're still working on the execution, but I can see a drastic difference between this year and last year.
Our defense scheme and offense scheme is completely different than what most teams we play will ever see.
Give Leach time and this young team a chance. With the extra year of eligibility these players have we could be hell on wheels in 3 years.
What the hell are you watching? We are not close to anything because our talent level sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Agree. Arkansas is about to find out how limiting that style is.Quote:
Originally Posted by memsu06
You progress fast & win games, but you'll never get over the hump because it requires better players to win.
Maybe they are running the scheme that utilizes the talent they currently have. And they will beat the snot out of us with it. Ironic eh?!Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Hard to master a scheme when you're constantly changing itQuote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Wait what?Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
So do you pull your balls to one side of the fence when you are straddling it or do you just put one on each side of the fence?
You are constantly wanting CML to change his scheme yet you say this? Not to mention wanting to change the QB…..
We had more rushing yards today than LSU believe it or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
We have a rushing game it just isn't going to show up as a rush on the stats. If we dink and dunk at 5 yards a play how's it different than rushing for 5?
The point of the Air Raid is to get the ball quickly to your players in space. The routes they run are like second nature to them giving you a slight edge. So what if you have a fast defensive players, we're recruiting players that are just as fast.
Give it time to work. I believe Leach is here for the long haul (unlike another coach we know well) and he wants to compete in the SEC. Ya'll should really go read his book.
All this crap about him not appearing to give a crap is total BS. His book explains alot of his philosophies regarding football. He says you can't succeed without playing physical football. Isn't that what we want from an MSU team?
I didn't realize I've been calling for a scheme change. Where did you see that?Quote:
Originally Posted by SilentSteel16
You may not call it a scheme change, but you want to change everything including the QB.
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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16
Running vs dinking causes the LB's to come up and opens passing lanes. It can also make them change coverages. As you can see we March down the field dinking until the red zone where dinking won't work unless an assignment is missed Ala Marks Td pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by memsu06
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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
You have referenced this twice in 24hrs. You don't know what you are talking about. It was reported State tightened the splits before the Memphis game and today.
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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
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We could use some adjustments in the red zone to become a more power running team....[/QUOTE]
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Yep. We been a power team for how many years now and what have won(and we may never win no matter what we do). I'm still good to go for something new. I said I would give Leach at least 3 years when we hired him because 1) that's how long it always seems to take him to get it going, 2) the first year had really no implementation because of Covid and put him behind the 8 ball, 3) if we fire leach after a total overhaul of our offense and do not give him enough time, forget our next coach being a proven winner(no proven coach will touch us) 4) this i more of hope but, it seems like yesterday we tried to run the ball a little more so maybe he trying to adapt a little ( our backs average over 4.6 a carry, Dillon over 6). 5) while I think Will is doing ok, I think he's holding this offense back some and Leach has no other option right now. Now, Will may need more time in the system and it worries me that a transfer may have a learning curve, too. I'm hoping we have one on the bench that's learning the system now to push Will or over take him if he's better.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Now, if it's the same ole same ole after 3 years to get it going and recruiting looks ho hum, his seat will be blue hot with me too. I hope he gets it going because passing the ball is the only way I see us trying to knock off blue bloods.
Changing the QB is needed. Will has shown that reading defenses correctly can result in yardage. He's also proven that when you don't have the arm strength, you eliminate 1/3 of your reads because you can't make the throw downfield. Not trying to hate on Will, but he just doesn't have the arm to fully implement this system. You've got to be able to stretch the field for it to work, and he can't do that consistently. Hit the transfer portal for a QB and this offense improves quickly. Also have to find one with an arm that can/will learn the system.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilentSteel16