My wife is an RN supervisor. Her job and all other RN's job in Mississippi totally suck again now due to the unvaccinated folks. The vaccination helps keep you out of the hospital.
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My wife is an RN supervisor. Her job and all other RN's job in Mississippi totally suck again now due to the unvaccinated folks. The vaccination helps keep you out of the hospital.
Lol, that's not what they said.Quote:
Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg
They said "they would trust the medical/scientific community", but not just believe something because "he said it". They also always followed up that statement by reiterating that when/if the vaccine was rolled out and deemed safe, that everyone should get it. Combine that with the months and months of vaccine promotion from them since they've been available, its really funny y'all want to go down this road....a lot more crickets coming from Trump and his top folks regarding promoting the benefits of getting vaxxed vs. the alternative, lol.
For extra context, those statements were made during the campaign when Trump was literally using the proposition of a vaccine as an "October surprise"/i.e., political poker chip, rather than a miracle that would save people....as usual, the priority was him and his, not others. This is the same man that said COVID was under control in March 2020, lol. A beacon of honesty. That's where the "I wouldn't trust him just because he said it" comes from.
No people don't get the shot because they are terrible at making informed decisions. They do not understand statistics. They do not understand how the vaccine was produced and developed. They do not understand the trial process, efficacy rates, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
There is only one thing anyone needs to know. Get the vaccine. Socially distance. Wash your hands. Reduce your opportunities to get infected. Wear a mask. Stay home if you feel ill.
Those are the things we can control. Those few simple steps are our duty.
Not to mention, at that given time, Trump was suggesting people should inject themselves with bleach or somehow use high energy lights to fry your insides. I am paraphrasing, but yeah. None of it matters. Do your duty. Get the vaccine. Wash your hands. Wear a mask in public and indoors. Socially distance when possible. Reduce the possibility of you being infected. Tell, ask, and expect everyone you know to do the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Unvaxxed people, "That is her problem, nothing to do with me." Probably.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
Yeah, that is not how the death count works. Go talk to a doctor dealing with this on the front line, they are the ones that sign the reason of death. They will tell you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgfan77
So......they don't understand the process, the possible effects, or the fact that it actually doesn't protect from contracting it but they need to get it anyways. Not because they did their own research and came to their own PERSONAL decision, but because Lord McBuckethead called them a "moron from Mississippi" on a message board. Have I got it right? And btw, I decided to get it recently, but trust me you were not on the list of reasons why I did. Nor was my "duty"Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
No. What is being released now is a circumstance of a new variant hitting the streets. Notice how before 3 weeks ago, we had 6 months of relative stability and vaccinated people had a damn good track record? That is because although the vaccine still helps against Alpha, and helps with hospitalization numbers against Delta, it may be having an issue with lowering the viral load of the delta variant.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoeless joe
Booster shots will be coming down the pipeline to address it.
Again, if everyone would get the damn shot, we eliminate the danger of widespread hospitalization. When we get a booster, we will then up our chances to eliminate the potential infection pool and then kick its ass. The way the strain variants are popping up, I could see this as a worldwide every 6 months booster thing for years if not for the rest of our lives.
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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
If you would quit saying stupid stuff like “get the vaccine and continue to wear a mask”people would possibly take you more seriously. No one that is vaccinated should be shamed into wearing a mask. Hell no one period should. If you don’t want the vaccine then take your chances. It is no one’s job here to protect you from your own stupidity. I will never wear a mask again for this crap. If a place requires it I will go somewhere else. I will never support this garbage virtue signaling. Ever. I am done with it.
Not a single vaccine protects you from contracting a virus. It trains your body to have an antibody response to the virus prior to it having a 20 day head start on your immune system. Not polio, not smallpox, not a single one keeps you from contracting a single virus.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
And yes, if they do not understand how vaccines work at this point in time and are over the age of 12, they are a moron.
Look man, great you decided to get the vaccine. Hope you live long and stay healthy until you reach the age of 120. But to be frank, I am tired of dumbasses thinking their bullshit self-serving opinions on vaccines have one damn iota of importance in this discussion. This isn't about them. This isn't about me or you. Pandemics are about everyone and there are some actions that are a "Duty" just the same as the fight against communism, fascist, dictators, and fighting for the oppressed.
Shame? Shame, you say? There is no shame into wearing a mask. IF the scientist, whom are studying this virus, and are the most credential individuals on the planet at dealing with viruses say that vaccinated people can carry a viral load and spread the disease to other people, then wearing a mask in public and indoors is not an option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
How hard is that to understand? If, due to the Delta variant, we learn that you could infect other people and 57% of the adults in our state are unvaccinated, and we want to continue to keep businesses up and running..... how do you not wear a mask? Is it itchy? Uncomfortable?
Or can we try our damnest to get all people vaccinated, so then if you don't wear a mask, at least you are not contributing directly to someone else's death.
No one that is vaccinated is dying. I’m not wearing a mask any more. I don’t care if I spread it. I. Do. Not. Care. If I spread it to people that are not idiots, they are going to have mild cases or no symptoms at all. If I spread it to unvaccinated people, the are probably going to have the same, but may actually die. If they die because I gave it to them, that is their fault and I. Do. Not. Care. If we shut down the state again because unvaccinated people are dying (that has no chance of happening by the way) there should literally be a revolt to take over the state because that is an unacceptable response to people willingly killings themselves. Now, how hard is that to understand you know it all jackass?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
Cool man. Keep that attitude. See you when they lock everything back down, cause they will if it reaches enough infections.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Massachussets begs to differ. No one from Alpha Covid is dying, but a pretty good clip of people vaccinated in Massachussetts is dying of Delta and in pretty bad shape.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm
They have a really high vaccination rate, but Delta ran through them pretty good in a 7 day period. 80 people died, all vaccinated.
Hmm.....just like you giving your opinion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
What if you spread it to my daughter who is only 8?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
That's a really shitty way to live. I would be beside myself if I gave someone a fatal disease, even if I did everything right and they did everything wrong and I really shouldn't be blamed. I'd still be really upset to be the one who caused it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Ok. Let me change my sentence structure. Almost no one is dying from COVID that is vaccinated. I’m not wearing a mask just like I have not worn my mask during flu season throughout my life (and you didn’t either) when almost no one died from the flu every year. I’m not going through my life in bubble wrap. If you want to then go ahead. Telling other people they should go through the rest of their life looking like bubble boy when we have an extremely highly effective vaccine available for anyone who wants it makes you a jackass. Period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
My opinion that Getting a Vaccine (Scientifically proven fact for 75 years and eradicated or otherwise destroyed viruses like Polio and Smallpox), washing your hands (duh), socially distancing (no shit), and wearing a mask (doctors have been doing it for 100 years) all reduce the spread and future potential deaths is an issue?Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
If it is for you, then there is nothing anyone can say that will convince you that the emperor has no clothes and I am sorry.
All of those methods are the only control we have over a vaccine.
You call people idiots for not getting a vaccine because of how effective it is and then your response to why we should all be wearing masks is that the vaccine isn’t effective in Massachusetts and a bunch of vaccinated people are dying. How can someone possibly take you seriously with that stance?
Then your daughter isn’t going to dieQuote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
Good for you. I don’t give a shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Simply put, mine is not an opinion. It is medical fact, or as close to medical fact as I or anyone else can get.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I will rely on experts in the field. I will rely on the statistics being provided (being updated as new information is presented). Anything else is people trying to justify their INCORRECT and Dangerous opinions that are selfish and small minded. If I am incorrect, nothing happens to you. IF those spewing bullshit are incorrect, people die.
A simple test. If someone is against a vaccine and they jump from one bullshit small anecdotal reason to another..... they made up their mind way way way before seeing actual evidence and they are searching for justification that supports their incorrect initial assessment.
That's fine that all of that is your opinion. I happen to agree with you on that. But where you lose me, and most others on this board, is when you call everyone else a dumbass for having a different opinion. Whether you feel it's right or wrong doesn't matter. It's THEIR OPINION. Just like your opinion is that anyone who disagrees with you is a dumbass and my opinion that you probably need to stay holed up inside til this pandemic passes and off ED for a couple of years is mine. Doesn't make it right or wrong, just a personal opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
NO, once again, read the dang link and try to understand statistics. Every expert that has commented on this situation has directly discussed the dangers of if this would have been unvaccinated people since the area this happened was 73% vaccinated. It would have been much worse. Vaccines work. The are not a 100% fail safe, but they are damn damn damn close to it. Why risk it? Why risk your neighbors health?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
The point of that link was to prove that with the Delta variant out there, it is prudent to wear a mask indoors when you are out and about. The vaccine does not 100% protect you from contracting the virus. No ever said it was, except for the guy I was responding to. All over the country, people are getting hospitalized over Delta, and there has always been a 90-95 effectiveness on the vaccine. That is all I am saying.
You have a point, but at some point, its exhausting. And if people get their panties in a wad about how I talk down to them about vaccines, well read a book fellas, cause there will be more where that came from. Vaccines have worked for damn 80 years, they will continue to work, they are currently working, and if there is an issue with variants, it is still the best shot we have and it is your Duty to get one. I will leave it at that. DUTY.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
The chances of dying with delta or any other variant is almost zero if you are below the age required to get a vaccine or vaccinated. How about you open your eyes to those statistics. Stop telling people that it is their duty to wear a GD mask when there is a vaccine available that virtually makes it a miracle in a bad way if you die from COVID. This is never going away. Ever. Learn to live with it or don’t. Just stop telling people what to do.
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Originally Posted by Jarius
Nope. Not getting into it... He knows what he is.
How do you know? She could be taking cancer treatments right now. She could have an autoimmune disease issue and we are doing everything we can to keep her isolated. You go out into public, give it to me, and then I give it to her. You sleep good cause you have no idea that you passed it on. Just so you know, my daughter is fantastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Whereas you could wear a mask, get the vaccine, wash your hands, socially distance, and then sleep good because you knew you did everything you could do to limit your contribution to what is a terrible situation. And if the experts asks you to do something different based on new information tomorrow, you do that because it is your duty in society.
Exactly. Finally. Exactly how I feel about it. Chances are, you would never even know you caused it. Chances are you would pass it on to a random person, at the store, or in Davis Wade. You go and live your life, and two weeks someone random died.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Can we all not just agree to do our best?
Yes I am an asshole. Someone has to be to stand up to people who are unreasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
Holy shit. You want everyone in the world to wear a damn mask for the rest of their life on the chance that They may spread a disease with a 99 % survivabilty rate to .00001 % of the population who has a less than 99 % survivabilty rate. Do you hear yourself? Do you know how ignorant that thought process is to anyone with a functioning brain? Grow up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
Well at least your last statement is an actual opinion. Me thinking people who double down or triple down on their incorrect vaccine opinion in the face the best established medical facts we have is an idiot, is more than just an opinion. They are almost the definition of a dumbass.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I wish there was an asshole variant...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Yes, sure why not. Wear a mask until the outbreak not the pandemic is over or everyone is vaccinated. Just when you are in public and indoors. If our contact tracing system was better, you wouldn't have to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
When the outbreak is over, don't wear one. Go lick door knobs for all I care. If the virus isn't around in outbreak numbers there isn't an issue.
We all agree to wear a seat belt when driving. The odds of you hitting something and dying is astronomical, but it is still required.
Oh there is, its called a politician. Boom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
That’s what you don’t understand apparently. This is never going to end. Eventually it will get less political and people will just accept this as a part of life but it is never going away. The numbers are never going to get better. People are not going to get forcibly vaccinated and will pay for their ignorance when they choose to defy common sense. Learn to live with it or stay in the basement. Whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
Well I am vaccinated and good to go with protection from it. I am glad there is not a lockdown and mask wearing even though we have a vaccine variant. You pussies would be the first to die. Then again you are vaccinated too I assume so you would probably be good to go for your variant as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
The numbers will get better. Hell they already were getting better or manageable a couple months ago. People will get the vaccine. New boosters will be developed. Hell, maybe totally new types of vaccines will be developed beyond the booster. We will change our approach as the science dictates, and it will become a part of our lives just like the common cold or the flu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
None of that has any bearing on what people need to do today, in this current outbreak. The road to better numbers is going to be long, and probably more difficult than it has to be as long as people refuse to do what is being asked. And yes, that may change next month, 6 months after that, and maybe 2 years in the future again.
You have one thing right, and it has been clear as crystal from the beginning, it is never going to end.
Just depends on how painful we want to make it on ourselves and others along the way.