You could look at it this way Simon gave her spot to the alternate because she felt she was not at her best and the alternate would give the team a better chance to medal.
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You could look at it this way Simon gave her spot to the alternate because she felt she was not at her best and the alternate would give the team a better chance to medal.
Lol why are you so worried about what other people think about you? Just do right and good and you don't have to worry about it. I don't care what anyone does, but **** you and anyone else who says I must celebrate social things I don't believe in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
How do we measure equality? What metrics are we using? How do we know when we are all equal? Maybe when we get more equal we can have more diversity on the men's basketball team.
Lee steps up and wins all around Gold for US. Nice job!
That's cool man. Equality is equality. I will say, comments will be challenged from here on out. Just as if I heard someone talking trash in public.Quote:
Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX
Well yeah, that is exactly what happened. Heartburn over her stepping aside was and is short sighted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Offshore Dawg
Does anyone have a gif of the "Jump to Conclusion" mat from office space? OP needs it.
If equality is equality then freedom is freedom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
It?s a sports message board and we dialogue based on the information we have at the moment and what we had at the moment was the indication of ankle injury and the presser.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/simone-...al-11627473098
This article lays it out a ton better. The presser didn?t do her favors in my opinion. She basically got the yips, the shanks, whatever you want to call it. Nobody wants to see anybody get hurt and they could have explained that much better in the press conference.
All that said, congrats to Suni for winning the gold and I do hate that Simone?s career might end like this. Maybe she gets it together for the individual events and can perform at her best one last time.
Maybe, maybe not. If you are not your best the time to step aside and let someone else represent is at the trials, not the finals. Now if injury or something else happened which she can't control afterwards so be it but she said was no injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
She is the one that put the GOAT on her arm; no one made her do that. If you gonna be the GOAT and you are on the team and not injured - you compete, win or lose.
So by your metrics what do you consider to be "racist", bigoted, transphobic? Because all I am hearing from the left right now is follow the science when it comes to covid but if anyone points out that there is in fact a difference between a biological male and female when it comes to competing in sports which is rooted in scientific fact I am told that is a bigoted statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
So if in fact you see a statement like that and consider it bigoted you sir are the one with an issue if we are supposed to "follow the science". All of the picking and choosing where we follow the science etc. is what is so dumb about all of this. You have the now sitting VP stating she wouldn't trust a vaccine while trump was in office before she was elected and is now stating everyone needs the vaccine(which is the same exact vaccine that was being worked on while Trump was in office), there is no difference in the vaccine before and after, just what was politically good for her at that moment and we wonder why people are hesitant of the vaccine. The least vaccinated group in our country is African Americans and the media is pushing the Tuskegee experiments as the reason, surely it has nothing to do with the fact that a black woman running for VP was publicly stating she wouldn't trust the vaccine before she was in office and is now stating that everyone needs it.
Now if someone were making a hateful statement about Trans people I could see where you could consider that offensive or bigoted IE " I hate so and so group of people". But simply making a scientifically true statement isn't bigoted and never will be no matter how bad you want it to be that way and shouting and pitching a fit isn't going to change any logically thinking person's mind.
So she was supposed to know a month ago that on the day of team competition she would have a mental issue that caused her to feel like if she continued she would probably injure herself badly and ruin the team's chances of medaling?Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
Players or coaches? What are you implying here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX
Great point, I agree 100%Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
Absolutely. So if you understand that, then working hard for equality, mutual respect, dignity, and freedom shouldn't be an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX
Dude, don't bring facts and actual timeline of events into this argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Some on here don't understand that situations change.
They are not implying anything, I think he is outright stating it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN
I think the disagreements on here come from how it was received. If the narrative were, ?That?s a shame and unfortunate that she couldn?t overcome it. Who will step up and help us win?? Instead of, ?Biles is so brave?we are with you! Great job!? I think that?s where the disagreements come from. Some see it as propping up quitting. I think smootness said it best?it was a failure on THIS day. Move on and Simone is one of the GOATS
So anyone want to walk back their comments about Simone Biles now? Anyone?
She suddenly was inflicted with a case of the Twisties. A mental issue known to exist in 100s of cases in the gymnastics world that has led to absolutely life threatening injuries due to the loss of spatial awareness and loss of muscle memory when doing twisting flipping motions.
Some conditions last momentarily, others the athlete has to relearn how to twist in the air akin to a toddler having to learn to walk over again.
"Hiding" behind this illness, what a pu$$y non-team member, right guys?
I already explained the ?hiding? in the title and in multiple other posts but you won?t let it go because you feel the need to win some hypothetical moral war.
There is a difference between the twisties, the yips, etc as it?s something that is manifesting itself physically such as loss of balance vs just quitting because you feel like it.
Go back and watch the presser and tell me how you were supposed to arrive at a physical condition? That?s why I thought she was covering for something else going on. If she had just said she developed the twisties and couldn?t compete this thread would have a totally different tone.
But if you just took her exact words and put it in any other sporting context, the most common immediate reaction is ?what the heck??. The PR team failed her a bit in the presser.
Now if your stance is that you should never criticize and athlete or coach for a decision because you don?t know what?s going on their head at any moment, that?s fine. However I would advise that a sports message board isn?t the best place for you to hang out. Most threads are about questioning the decisions and rationales made by players, coaches, etc.
We had multiple threads this football season wondering if our secondary's head was up their ass or whether or not Costello had the yips.....I don't remember either of those threads ending with someone calling out fans for their opinions on the matter. I'm pretty sure most involving Costello were the exact opposite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
Okay, But, you didn't answer the question ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
As team captain, why did she put herself in the 'team' competition, only to withdraw due to 'mental issues' (her words) if there were 'alternates' that were willing to compete?
You won't get an answer because he wants a "gotcha" moment so bad. This all would have been a non issue had they just come out and stated what it was at the presser. He also won't answer why this is different from a male athlete doing the same thing the night before a big game and how he would respond.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiscuitEater
He will call it a whataboutism because he knows he sets different standards for different demographics. If it fits his liberal worldview he will take one stance and if it pushes against that worldview he will deflect with "whataboutism" and or just call you a racist or a bigot. It is a win win for him in his mind.
Facts mean nothing unless they are slanted a certain left leaning way. If the facts back a right leaning way we all of the sudden no longer have to "follow the science" etc.
I've never been a gymnist nor have I ever played pro sports. But in highschool I never quit on my team because I had pride in myself and wanted to support the team I chose to be a part of.
I couldn't imagine walking out on my team in the middle of a competition. Especially when I was chosen to represent my country and accepted that responsibility.
Unfortunately, with GenZ, life is a stage that is often too big for them.
uDude they got doctors and all kinds of evaluators for this. A mental problem doesn't just usually come up overnight like a spider bite. Maybe it was there and someone made some bad decisions, I don't know but don't look good. Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
If she has legit issues I hope she gets help but this ain't normal to get a diagnosis like that right before this kind of event. If she is GOAT, you compete. Can you imagine MJ just opting out in finals because he had mental stress over personal issues? Dude he had plenty. That is why MJ is GOAT.
MJ freaking quit basketball at his peak because of mental stuff (burn out, grief, etc)Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
He also didn't compete in a sport that if he was off his game mentally he could wind up paralyzed..
Bottom line.....she quit on her team DURING the biggest competition in the sport. She let her teamates down at the worst possible time. She is no hero. You can sympathize with her sure, but celebrate what she did........HECK NO.
Bruns my man, not gonna say it isn’t true, but MJ had a major problem with the GM. That was the reason he tried baseball. Back in those days I was into NBA, MJ, Magic and Bird made it fun to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
In the initial press conference, she said she had the twistes, which causes you to loose spatial awareness. Something was definitely off during the preliminaries and warm ups. She was landing crooked and fell way out of bounds.
The problem with this line of thinking is that you don't believe there was a real problem. She was having an issue called the twists. It's when a person gets disoriented and cannot tell up from down and they lose track of where they are. It happens to gymnast and when it does, they usually retire or try and push through it and get injured sometimes very badly. I did not want her out there risking her life over a dang medal myself. This was not her just quitting her team. She was unable to perform, the only thing workng for her was that she is the greatest gymnast to ever live or most likely she would have been injured already trying to push through.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
I believe her. Why? I have had a similar thing happen to me while flying a plane. I was banking out during take off of a small private plane and lost me ability to find the ground or sky for about 30 seconds. I don't fly anymore. That was my last flight as pilot in command. There was another pilot in the plane that day, but I never relinquished controls. I have no idea why. I just pushed through and could have killed us. I was only a few feet off the ground and started banking into a left pattern which takes you toward aa tower south of KSTF airport. I was plenty high and turned before I got to it, but I didn't know that until I got my orientation back.
I do think more of her for saying the truth. She easily could have faked an injury and pulled out. You see, that's what people have done in the past to avoid this mental health stigma. They say they are hurt but in reality they lost it mentally. It happens for various reasons.
Yes, I am disappointed she was unable to perform but I would bet not nearly as much as she was. I know I want to fly again, but I won't.
There's really no reason not to believe her. She's never done anything like this before and has performed under the highest pressure and most stress time and time again.
Because she already qualified and then the issue started. Seems pretty straight forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiscuitEater
You can't argue using facts that rely on an actual timeline of events.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg2003
Again, people in this thread arguing against Biles cannot be persuaded they are wrong. Regardless of overwhelming evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Discernment, brother. It can really help in life.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
MJ never quit in middle of season. Same respect I'd have for her if she withdrew in trials.
Again you don't catch mental illness like Covid - fine one day, sick the next. Those things build. That would have been known way before right before competition. Again, I have compassion for her in her problems. It just was not handled very good. You ask for it when you proclaim yourself GOAT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead