All Star Game out of Atlanta

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Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless

I'm a moderate republican

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So you like the worst aspects of both left and right. Literally the most contemptible "type" on the political spectrum.

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Doesn't matter who said it. Requiring voter ID is not voter suppression. You can't do hardly anything without ID. Been doing it my whole life.

Yes people are illegal voting and it favors one side. The one party system is what the left wants. Obvious as anything. When will folks wake up. I guess too many are woke up.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

It does to vote absentee

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Literally all it requires is dl number, state id number or last 4 of social. Its not like they are requiring a photo id. You could make a cause that the matching signature that was required before is more secure than these three.

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Originally Posted by Rex54

So you like the worst aspects of both left and right. Literally the most contemptible "type" on the political spectrum.

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Nope. But you can keep thinking that.

It's cool everyone, boycotts are good now.**

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

It's cool everyone, boycotts are good now.**

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#CancelBaseball

All I'll say is this.

We've had issues with the last two elections and America needs to clean some things up and we need to make sure that actual real, alive citizens are voting. And voting only once. I have no idea why anyone that believes in American ideals has a problem with that unless they just want to cheat and rig elections.

Secondly Rob Manfred should be fired and pulling the All Star Game out of Atlanta over this is complete and utter bullshit. This has zero to do with baseball. ZERO.

Misdirection works

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Agree. They won't find a "pure" state, just like the wokes won't, and the Republicans who cry "RINO" about everyone who isn't in lock step in their party won't. It's constant circular firing squad.

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Exactly and this is what bothers me the most about all that's going on right now. There's no end game, it's just as you mentioned a constant circular firing squad. We're becoming more and more divided and it sucks.

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

No they won't, because these "tactics", as you call them, have all been proven to be baseless grifts by opportunistic grifters who knew they were telling bald-faced lies. Literally every single example of fraud has been thoroughly explained, debunked, or flat out proven to bogus. Every. Single. One. (fyi...in most cases by Republican state office holders).

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Please list the Courts, dates and rulings that 'proved' every single claim was ' bogus' because I don't think they wanted to see the evidence.

Just because an election official 'claims' there was no fraud is no difference than Sidney Powell claiming there was!

Courts 'prove' or disprove cases based on evidence presented! Not state office holders!!

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Hell, the Catholic Church believed the Earth was at the center of the Universe, despite Galileo being like "Na....just look through this telescope, and you'll see the light"...

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It wasn't just the Church but all the greatest scientists of his day believed the earth center model. The Church just followed the 'science' of the day.

Actual center of our universe is a point in space called the barycenter. The barycenter is very close to the sun but constantly shifts. But, you can go ahead and believe the sun is the center if it makes you feel better.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Exactly and this is what bothers me the most about all that's going on right now. There's no end game, it's just as you mentioned a constant circular firing squad. We're becoming more and more divided and it sucks.

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There's most definitely and end game. Oh no we're divided boo hoo - those in power set up our society to divide you. That's how they keep their power, divide and conquer. "Democracy" is a joke. But please carry on hoping and wishing things just will magically get better because of "our Ideals" as Todd mentioned. Let's see where that gets you.

Nothing is ever as bad as it seems. Things aren't any worse today than 50 years ago. They're actually better.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Nothing is ever as bad as it seems. Things aren't any worse today than 50 years ago. They're actually better.

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What a pathetic and cowardly cope.

Social media mob is the cause of businesses and corporations bending the knee. When it wasn?t around, it didn?t happen.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Nothing is ever as bad as it seems. Things aren't any worse today than 50 years ago. They're actually better.

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Not sure what lens you are looking thru but newsflash, we ain't better than 50 years ago. Way worse.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

All I'll say is this.

We've had issues with the last two elections and America needs to clean some things up and we need to make sure that actual real, alive citizens are voting. And voting only once. I have no idea why anyone that believes in American ideals has a problem with that unless they just want to cheat and rig elections.

Secondly Rob Manfred should be fired and pulling the All Star Game out of Atlanta over this is complete and utter bullshit. This has zero to do with baseball. ZERO.

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Agree. Every American should want fair elections. It is un-American to not want it.

The cancel culture has taken over spinless CEOs everywhere. The high corporate tax ends up hurting all Americans but with the way they are acting, in some way I say stick it to the CEOs. How bout taxing their salary like by 90% and see how they like it. How bout cancel the CEOs in society. They will still have plenty to live on 10% of 3mil a year is enough. They will change their tune then. They are caving to the ones in power thinking it will help them. The left is destroying sports - the one unifying piece of our culture. They don't want to unify America.

The cancel everyone off the face of earth if we don't like you is pure evil, un-American and must go.

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

It's cool everyone, boycotts are good now.**

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Well it is the only way the little people of American have a voice now. The people in power just want to cancel anyone who disagrees with them. Trump never tried to cancel anyone when he was in charge.

Look at the end of the day some of the law is good but some of it just paints a picture oppression.

Banning people from passing out water and snacks in long lines is not a good look. I completely understand banning campaigns from being able to pass them out, but banning everyone is just stupid.

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Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless

Look at the end of the day some of the law is good but some of it just paints a picture oppression.

Banning people from passing out water and snacks in long lines is not a good look. I completely understand banning campaigns from being able to pass them out, but banning everyone is just stupid.

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This language could have been written better but it does allow election officials to put out self service water and food.

I don?t know but this seems like one of those laws put in for the express reason of stopping something that was happening. Much like ridiculousness on some warning labels.

The point is that I don?t know when it ends at others have said. These people have to stop catering to Twitter mobs that aren?t the consumers of their products and Trump being even more of a prick isn?t going to help matters.

Once they move it somewhere the alt right will immediately find something in that city or state that is equal or worse then Georgia and start skewering them. MLB just hopes that the media will give them a cookie for their virtue signaling and not run those stories. Otherwise they?ll be stuck in a loop of constantly getting berated by the media for their venue choice.

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Originally Posted by Irondawg

This language could have been written better but it does allow election officials to put out self service water and food.

I don?t know but this seems like one of those laws put in for the express reason of stopping something that was happening. Much like ridiculousness on some warning labels.

The point is that I don?t know when it ends at others have said. These people have to stop catering to Twitter mobs that aren?t the consumers of their products and Trump being even more of a prick isn?t going to help matters.

Once they move it somewhere the alt right will immediately find something in that city or state that is equal or worse then Georgia and start skewering them. MLB just hopes that the media will give them a cookie for their virtue signaling and not run those stories. Otherwise they?ll be stuck in a loop of constantly getting berated by the media for their venue choice.

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Yes - campaigns might have been out giving away water in line. I know special interest groups were. But was that a problem? Again, Georgia already has a ban on any political activity within 250 feet of a polling location. They problem isn't giving out water - the problem is we have lines circling the inside of a school gymnasium, going out the door, and extending more than 250 feet from a building. Why? Because some counties in Georgia have cut the number of voting locations or have not kept up with growth and have not provided enough voting locations, equipment and manpower to make the process efficient and easy for all. Those are the issues the legislature should be working to fix - instead they ban water and won't let someone hold your place in line so you can go pee.

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Not sure what lens you are looking thru but newsflash, we ain't better than 50 years ago. Way worse.

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You?re kidding right? I always find this argument fascinating. Please explain how they are worse. Not based on hottake media headlines but actual stats. Let?s hear it. We talking health? Life expectancy? Finance? Quality of life? Justice system? I mean...you?re basically saying the success of the civil rights movement and the repealing of Jim Crow Era laws (which ended is the late 60?s early 70?s) led to the US becoming worse. That?s an odd take.

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Originally Posted by Saltydog

Same with big business. Delta airlines is spouting their b.s. about the law and the Georgia legislature has had discussion of revoking their tax exemption status. Good for them. Bout time somebody stood up to this b.s.

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Another way to consider the situation is the opposite. In NJ and California were you have Left Wing domination.

The corporations and All Star games stay but it?s the middle class that has to leave with the extreme taxation and regulation.

Most companies simply auto Close all California operations as a standard process of M&A. You keep the minimum and move to Nevada. Same with New Jersey.

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Originally Posted by Rex54

What a pathetic and cowardly cope.

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You can be mad at the world. I just live in it. Times are good as a whole. Conspiracy theorists and extreme ideologists are losing their minds. Older folks are missing high school days. Nothing new there.

I agree with Cooter to an extent. The difference is that with media and social media 24/7, everyone hears about every little thing that happens. That makes it seem like it?s bigger or more frequent. But I think it?s just that you hear about more frequently

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Originally Posted by William Tecumsah Sherman

I agree with Cooter to an extent. The difference is that with media and social media 24/7, everyone hears about every little thing that happens. That makes it seem like it?s bigger or more frequent. But I think it?s just that you hear about more frequently

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True. And a lot of people saying the world or country is horrible are people of faith and I get that side of it. It's a tough balancing act with that at times. But they're supposed to be the light in the world, not the darkness. Sometimes we've got to look in the mirror. YOU make your life/happiness what it is.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Times are good as a whole.

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Sure if your only measurement is the stonk market. Many people realize that western civilization is rapidly going extinct though.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

YOU make your life/happiness what it is.

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Radical individualism, forget the collective. More symptoms why conservative ideology is a joke and why all culture is lost.

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Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless

Look at the end of the day some of the law is good but some of it just paints a picture oppression.

Banning people from passing out water and snacks in long lines is not a good look. I completely understand banning campaigns from being able to pass them out, but banning everyone is just stupid.

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The intent is to ban politicians and their supporters from handing out water and snacks. I read on the other board that in black districts the average wait time in Atlanta was 56 minutes. That sounds terrible - if the election was in July or August. But in November? Nobody's going to pass out for lack of water in the chilly temperatures of autumn. Regardless, if people are having to wait an hour to vote something needs to be done about the number of voting precincts.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Most of it is minutia. The primary issues are the changes to the State Election Board. First, it removes the Secretary of State as the Chair and replaces him with an appointee of the Legislature. It can be argued this violates the State Constitution, as the Constitution gives the SOS the power of oversight of elections. Second, it gives that Elections Board the power to declare that a county elections board is derelict in their duties and can allow that counties votes to be thrown out. Which, if you follow Georgia politics, you know that this opens a window for partisan accusations to overturn local control and will be a tool for shenanigans (regardless of party). As I tell my non-Georgia friends - all you need to know about Georgia politics can be learned by reading about the Yazoo Land Frauds.

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A few questions since you seem much more informed than I am. It seems the Election Board will have a Legislative appointee (who is supposed to be non-partisan but I know that's basically not possible) and then also appointed members of each political party. How does the Board make decisions? Simple majority vote? Is this Board more or less fair than having a elected S.O.S as the Chairperson? Also, I have the bill pulled up, but I can't find where votes can be thrown out by the Board.

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Originally Posted by Rex54

Sure if your only measurement is the stonk market. Many people realize that western civilization is rapidly going extinct though.

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No. It is not. There are several vocal idiots spouting that nonsense but it is simply not true. There is no quantitative data that proves what you are saying outside of some ultra liberal people on social media and in a few universities spouting that nonsense. I liken this anti-western and anti-American movement to the hippie movement of the 60?s and 70?s. In a decade it will be on the trash heap of history along with the hippie movement and so many others. This is because those that push it are mainly in the 15-25 year old age bracket. Within a few years they will enter into the work force and start careers and accumulating wealth and realize they were spitting lunacy (being led by the nose by a handful of vocal, adult socialists) and had no idea what they were talking about.

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Originally Posted by Beaver

A few questions since you seem much more informed than I am. It seems the Election Board will have a Legislative appointee (who is supposed to be non-partisan but I know that's basically not possible) and then also appointed members of each political party. How does the Board make decisions? Simple majority vote? Is this Board more or less fair than having a elected S.O.S as the Chairperson? Also, I have the bill pulled up, but I can't find where votes can be thrown out by the Board.

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They cannot. That is propaganda. Much like how democrats originally reported that it would restrict voting hours and keep people from voting, etc. that?s all false. Additionally, food and water can still be given out in line just not within a certain distance from a polling station.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Here's one better - Section 16 of the law allows any individual the ability to challenge the validity of the vote of an unlimited number of people within their district with no proof of malfeasance - just an accusation after the fact. So you will see more of the "dead voter" malarkey come up as an attempt to nullify votes. FYI - every "dead voter" allegation that was made by the Kraken crew in Georgia was proven wrong

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So if I'm understanding correctly, section 16 says any challenge of an elector's eligibility must be made BEFORE the challenged elector votes, and/or before absentee ballots are cast. It also states the challenger has the burden of proof. So, I would think this would be an improvement from the last election right?

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Exactly - Georgia has had voter ID for over a decade. the ID/SS # requirement for absentee is not a bad idea - I thought was a a flaw in the GA voter ID for years. They also did some good in lengthening early voting. But, the law blatantly creates some openings for abuse by the State Elections Board, made runoff absentee and early voting more difficult by shortening timeframes, and created a huge window for chaos with the clause allowing voters to challenge validity of another persons vote without proof.

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Can you specify how the State Elections board (which should be made up of non-partisan* as well as members of all political parties) can abuse an election? I'm honestly asking, not trying to be disingenuous.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

the problem is we have lines circling the inside of a school gymnasium, going out the door, and extending more than 250 feet from a building. Why? Because some counties in Georgia have cut the number of voting locations or have not kept up with growth and have not provided enough voting locations, equipment and manpower to make the process efficient and easy for all. Those are the issues the legislature should be working to fix - instead they ban water and won't let someone hold your place in line so you can go pee.

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Section 18 states, "If, at the previous general election, a precinct contained more than 2000 electors and if electors desiring to vote on the day of the election had to wait in line for more than one hour before checking in to vote, the superintendent shall either reduce the size of such precinct so that it shall contain no more than 2000 electors in accordance with the procedures prescribed by this chapter for the division, alteration, and consolidation of precinct no later than 60 days before the next general election. For administering this Code section the chief manager of a precinct which contained more than 2000 electors at the previous general election shall submit a report thereof to the superintendent of the reported time from entering the line to checking in to vote. Such wait time shall be measured no fewer than three different times throughout the day (in the morning, at midday, and prior to the close of poles) an such results shall be recorded on a form provided by the Secretary of State. Any such change in the boundaries of a precinct shall conform with the requirements of subsection (a) Code Section 21-2-261.1"

Does this not address the very issue you're talking about here?

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Originally Posted by Beaver

Section 18 states, "If, at the previous general election, a precinct contained more than 2000 electors and if electors desiring to vote on the day of the election had to wait in line for more than one hour before checking in to vote, the superintendent shall either reduce the size of such precinct so that it shall contain no more than 2000 electors in accordance with the procedures prescribed by this chapter for the division, alteration, and consolidation of precinct no later than 60 days before the next general election. For administering this Code section the chief manager of a precinct which contained more than 2000 electors at the previous general election shall submit a report thereof to the superintendent of the reported time from entering the line to checking in to vote. Such wait time shall be measured no fewer than three different times throughout the day (in the morning, at midday, and prior to the close of poles) an such results shall be recorded on a form provided by the Secretary of State. Any such change in the boundaries of a precinct shall conform with the requirements of subsection (a) Code Section 21-2-261.1"

Does this not address the very issue you're talking about here?

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Where I live, in Madison County, Alabama there are 72 voting locations and 302,542 registered voters as of Oct 19, 2020. That's an average of 4,202 per polling station. So we average over twice the number of voters per precinct that Georgia allows. One polling place near me has over 8,000 registered voters, according to posters on NextDoor. Some said they were waiting over 3 hours to vote.

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

No. It is not. There are several vocal idiots spouting that nonsense but it is simply not true. There is no quantitative data that proves what you are saying outside of some ultra liberal people on social media and in a few universities spouting that nonsense. I liken this anti-western and anti-American movement to the hippie movement of the 60?s and 70?s. In a decade it will be on the trash heap of history along with the hippie movement and so many others. This is because those that push it are mainly in the 15-25 year old age bracket. Within a few years they will enter into the work force and start careers and accumulating wealth and realize they were spitting lunacy (being led by the nose by a handful of vocal, adult socialists) and had no idea what they were talking about.

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This is why you idiots are losing everything.

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

No. It is not. There are several vocal idiots spouting that nonsense but it is simply not true. There is no quantitative data that proves what you are saying outside of some ultra liberal people on social media and in a few universities spouting that nonsense. I liken this anti-western and anti-American movement to the hippie movement of the 60?s and 70?s. In a decade it will be on the trash heap of history along with the hippie movement and so many others. This is because those that push it are mainly in the 15-25 year old age bracket. Within a few years they will enter into the work force and start careers and accumulating wealth and realize they were spitting lunacy (being led by the nose by a handful of vocal, adult socialists) and had no idea what they were talking about.

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You idiots have no idea what's coming.

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Originally Posted by Rex54

You idiots have no idea what's coming.

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My God you are insufferable, lol.

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

My God you are insufferable, lol.

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Keep on shilling for the most powerful corporations in world history. Fat, soy faced, and fans of Marvel movies is no way to go through life.

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

My God you are insufferable, lol.

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C'mom Beardo, you can think of something worse than insufferable can't you? This guy is a complete and total whack job.