Quick Thoughts On What is Going on With Our Football Program

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

You can talk recruiting and who the "real South" is all you want. It doesn't make one 17 of a difference because here's the simple facts, winning solves all problems. Dan was an ass to 95% of our players, but they'd go to war for him. Hev was an ass to 100% of our players but they'd run through a brick wall for him. Program toughness and pride is what we had under Dan and what we lost under Joe. He might've been a likable guy, but he was a HORRENDOUS HC and program CEO. Leach is trying to bring that back and I applaud him for that. Will it work? Who the hell knows, but I can guarandamntee you another 2 to 3 years of Moorhead would've had cultural problems that make what we're going through now a cakewalk. I'm on record as saying I don't think the pure air raid can work, but that's a discussion for another time and a year from now. Right now, the discussion needs to be who are going to be the leaders on our team. I've heard too many stories to count of the lax program attitude under Moorhead, enough to make you physically ill. I haven't heard any of that under Mike. Look, if there's fans that want to jump ship then that is completely fine. I, along with many others, were here before the Dan Mullen bandwagon fans came aboard, we'll be here after they're gone, and we'll still be here when they try to rejoin us. Whether that be with Leach or another coach.

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I like your posts, but man, how about a new paragraph or a line-break every once in a while. But don't be like Shotgun and have a line-break after every single sentence. Lolz

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

I like your posts, but man, how about a new paragraph or a line-break every once in a while. But don't be like Shotgun and have a line-break after every single sentence. Lolz

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What

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

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You do reply like Leach's offense spread on the O Line***

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Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked

How many years will it take us to be competitive with UK and UPig?

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I bet if you played them, "today," you would see a different and better team!

What happened for the new coach is he did not have the spring to weed the chaff.

This whole conversation would be totally different if we had pulled out wins vs Ark and KY and we had chances to win both despite the turnovers. Even if we had just barely won.

Right now we all wish we would run the ball against that 3-8 look but we also have to remember that Leach hasn’t probably had a qb play this poorly for a while. I’d love to know what the offensive coaches talk about when they watch the past 3 films

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Originally Posted by MaroonBelle

Arkansas players seem to actually like their coach and enjoy playing for him. You can clean house all you want but you have to wonder what this looks like to prospects.

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Nothing wrong with a little self weeding. I'm positive Coach doesn't mind a player thinking I do not want to go there if they do not have the character of wanting to grow up and be all they can be.

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Originally Posted by basedog

You do reply like Leach's offense spread on the O Line***

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That's pretty good

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Originally Posted by basedog

You do reply like Leach's offense spread on the O Line***

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He's method acting being Leach to get into his head better. He'll bring the results to us in a 14 post series

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Originally Posted by MaroonBelle

Arkansas players seem to actually like their coach and enjoy playing for him. You can clean house all you want but you have to wonder what this looks like to prospects.

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If we were 4-0 all the players would love Leach. How you handle adversity is what separates the men from the boys. We will be fine.

Here is what some idiot writer said:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-the-nfl-today

How many believe VL would not be a Super Bowl winning coach today in the NFL.

Are the guys we’ve seen being leaders - Payton, Jones, Thompson, Brule saying anything on Twitter?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

LOL at the people wanting us to be a program that "our players like" who probably also railed Joe for a lack of discipline. Which was the result of him trying to have a program that our players liked.

Some of our issues on offense are discipline/sloppiness related- the WR's in particular.

Also- LOL at the people that think that we won't recruit Mississippi well just by looking at the rankings this year and the ins that we have for the class of 2022 already.

Some of our fans are so bad about talking out of both sides of their mouth. "We want a disciplined hard working team! But we want to the players to have fun all the time and Leach is wrong for kicking players off the team that don't follow the rules!"

This is the exact same shit from our fans that happened with Cohen as the baseball coach. The year before we hired Cohen "Our team is soft!" And then we hire Cohen "I don't like how he cusses at our players and he bunts too much."

The ONLY thing I have ever figured out about MSU fans is they want the exact OPPOSITE of whatever it is that MSU has at that moment. It seems like all of our fans want is some quick fix where the coach calls some cute play- but involving a QB run of course- otherwise that's going to get bitched about- to get us to the Liberty Bowl.

And before the "But....but....but Arkansas and Kentucky!" posts come- Arkansas had literally nowhere to go but up. They had completely turned on Morris- so of course they had nowhere to go but up. Beating us is about like beating Alabama for MSU. Stoops has been at UK for years and he has had several good teams now. Them beating us in Lexington shouldn't be a surprise since we haven't won there since 2014.

In the offseason we had fans like "I know there is going to be an adjustment". We have Leach's track record at Texas Tech and Wazzu to show that there is an adjustment period. AND YET we still have idiot stupid ass fans like "I don't know about this".

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Excellent post

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Originally Posted by MaroonBelle

You think Leach is gonna out discipline Saban? Please. But you know what? Far as I know Saban's players still like him. There are ways and there are ways. We'll see how Leach's ways work here.

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Saban caters to his trouble players all the time. The media is just too scared to talk about it. Saban rides his coaches way more than players which is typical for the CEO position.

You can always tell when adversity strikes

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

You can always tell when adversity strikes

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I assume the players remaining are ready to play.
But if anything it should be easy to sell recruits playing time.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

MSU fans just want a good meal, but most have no idea how it's cooked.

Can't blame them. Unless you've played or been a part of a sport at a high level, how would you know?

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You never have described yourself so well in a post.

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Originally Posted by Irondawg

Are the guys we’ve seen being leaders - Payton, Jones, Thompson, Brule saying anything on Twitter?

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What could they say that would make you feel better?

Making a post or statement on Twitter doesn't make you a "leader". (Example: K. Hill)

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

You never have described yourself so well in a post.

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Didn't shotgun play football?

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Originally Posted by Percho

What happened for the new coach is he did not have the spring to weed the chaff.

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The offense sucks..... Leach is finding the players that will make it better. We don't see defensive players leaving the team for a reason.

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Originally Posted by defiantdog

Didn't shotgun play football?

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John Madden EA sports Sega edition.

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Originally Posted by defiantdog

The offense sucks..... Leach is finding the players that will make it better. We don't see defensive players leaving the team for a reason.

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To be fair, the defensive players are being put in a system that allows them to be successful. If we ran a read and react defense and teams were gashing us, I don't think players would be happy.

Look - if you put Trevor Lawrence in the triple option offense, and the team was struggling, is it really Lawrence's fault that the coach is running the wrong system for his skill set? If he was getting the shit kicked out of him, while losing - you think it's the player's attitude that is the problem?

You pay the coach millions of dollars to win games, this year. Not win games 2 years from now with "his players". If we have OL that know we can pound the rock and score points running a certain type of offense, but instead we are running an offense that doesn't allow our players to use their talent, you think it is the player's fault for wanting to leave? That is nuts.

If Mullen had asked Relf to play like Chris Leak and pass the ball as opposed to play like Tebow, that would have been nuts. Mullen to his credit, adjusted his gameplan to use the strength of his players to win games. We ended up pounding the shit out of several teams that year, including the bears (one of my favorite egg bowls ever) all because Mullen used his team's talent to their best use. That is all some of us are asking Leach to do.

We want him to be successful today, not wait 2 years.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

John Madden EA sports Sega edition.

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Damn good at it too

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Yep, you can start out tight and loosen things up as you go, once you have established your culture, but if you start out loose you can never, ever tighten it up, it never works that way.

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I've heard that quote a 1000x from my fam.

How about the players trying to learn the, "skill set," the coaches are teaching instead of exercising their other, "skill set," on twitter.

Old dog new trick thing.