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09-06-2020, 02:34 PM
BeardoMSU

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

BB gets it.

The in-game meltdown is still one of life's inevitables.
09-06-2020, 02:37 PM
preachermatt83

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

If we've truly found a great DC then we should be at least an average defense with the personnel we have. An average DC can put a really good defense on the field when stocked at every position. When JLD got here he made a big difference taking over for Bill Clay. And Grantham was a huge difference when taking over for Peter Sirmon. If Arnett knows what he is doing then I think we have enough talent to be a middling SEC defense.

Grantham took over for manny part 2
09-06-2020, 02:58 PM
William Tecumsah Sherman

I appreciate any and all practice reports. I was skeptical we would even play football this season, so I?m just happy that the dawgs will be taking the field. Wins are icing on the cake!
09-06-2020, 03:11 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

Grantham took over for manny part 2

Sirmon was here in '16, grantham '17, Shoop '18 and '19
09-06-2020, 03:24 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

The in-game meltdown is still one of life's inevitables.

I know and it's generally fun to read em!
09-06-2020, 03:46 PM
BeardoMSU

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

Sirmon was here in '16, grantham '17, Shoop '18 and '19

Yes. One would think the MSU-Louisville-Trade-Rape of 2017 would be a more memorable moment, lol.
09-06-2020, 03:47 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Tell us what you have heard about Schrader this fall. Always appreciate your info.

He's had a solid camp. He's really tightened up his throwing motion & is doing better. People are mistaking the fact that Will May be slightly ahead of him that he's done at MSU at QB. I think that's way premature & it's going to be a great battle next Spring. I think the biggest thing is that guys just gravitate to Will. He has a magnetic personality.
09-06-2020, 03:52 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

He's had a solid camp. He's really tightened up his throwing motion & is doing better. People are mistaking the fact that Will May be slightly ahead of him that he's done at MSU at QB. I think that's way premature & it's going to be a great battle next Spring. I think the biggest thing is that guys just gravitate to Will. He has a magnetic personality.

Thank you, that confirms what I've been hearing. Appreciate it.
09-06-2020, 03:59 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19

Who are the 8 guys you think will get the most PT at WR?

And who have you heard good things about not named Mitchell or Payton?

Might need to roll with just 6 guys at WR this year.
09-06-2020, 04:21 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19

Just to be clear, you?re saying Lovett is better than Pickering and Crumedy both?.....

I said “arguably”. Crumedy and Pickering have chances to be pretty good players. But neither is dominant and after having a 10 year run of dominant guys on the DL- that hurts us.
09-06-2020, 04:24 PM
RiverCityDawg

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

We have a walkon & Korey Charles battling for a 2 deep spot at CB, we'd definitely be better with Jarrian here.

So why were they moving Jarrian to safety? Or would it be different now that Williams quit? In my opinion Jarrian has hips like a safety not a corner, though he doesn't seem eager to tackle like you would want with a safety. I suppose he could still be below average at both of those spots AND be one of our better options this year.

I think I would rather just take lumps with Forbes and Richardson who want to be here... But ask me again on 9/26 at about 3:00.
09-06-2020, 04:29 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by William Tecumsah Sherman

I appreciate any and all practice reports. I was skeptical we would even play football this season, so I?m just happy that the dawgs will be taking the field. Wins are icing on the cake!

Yeah, me too. I want us to look in shape and conditioned. I think our offense may surprise some folks but the defense will be hit and miss. If we win 4 or 5 games I'll be tickled pink.
09-06-2020, 04:31 PM
BeardoMSU

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I said “arguably”. Crumedy and Pickering have chances to be pretty good players. But neither is dominant and after having a 10 year run of dominant guys on the DL- that hurts us.

You mentioned what you've heard about the D. Got anything on the offense? How are QB/WR doing? O-line? scheme? etc...
09-06-2020, 04:47 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Heath Mitchell Williams Payton Tulu Shavers Spivey Cumbest & Jones.

Heath Tulu & Austin have all been consistent playmakers.

I play college fantasy and REALLY want to grab at least one of our WRs given the offense we are going to run. But I can't decide who to take. Mitchell seems to be the obvious choice from past performance but who do you see being our most productive WR this year based on practice reports?
09-06-2020, 04:47 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by RiverCityDawg

So why were they moving Jarrian to safety? Or would it be different now that Williams quit? In my opinion Jarrian has hips like a safety not a corner, though he doesn't seem eager to tackle like you would want with a safety. I suppose he could still be below average at both of those spots AND be one of our better options this year.

I think I would rather just take lumps with Forbes and Richardson who want to be here... But ask me again on 9/26 at about 3:00.

Well at the time you had 2 solid CB's in Emerson & Williams. Also they were trying to get the 5 best DB's on the field & that was Emerson Williams Peters Murphy & Jarrian.
09-06-2020, 04:49 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

I play college fantasy and REALLY want to grab at least one of our WRs given the offense we are going to run. But I can't decide who to take. Mitchell seems to be the obvious choice from past performance but who do you see being our most productive WR this year based on practice reports?

I think Osirus is the obvious pick.
09-06-2020, 05:45 PM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

I'm not going to argue w you it would be a waste of time. But I'll leave this, . our second best cb isn't 160 lbs. and he's gaine more than 10 since he got here. We have zero depth at any position. But let Arnett have it when I'm right. I tried telling everyone last year our d was not going to be good. I was told but rivers, Cole and so and so were Nfl players ( they never were close) we lost them, gay, Autry, Lovett, dantzler and Jones off of a bad defense. But ok we will be fine.

Fred Smoot weighed 165 lbs and was an All American.
09-06-2020, 07:01 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Fred Smoot weighed 165 lbs and was an All American.

Feed smoot was golaith compared to Forbes. And no he didn't weigh 165. But he could get in your jock and hang on too.
09-06-2020, 08:32 PM
Cowbell

For those bringing insight to this thread, thank you. I'm sincerely thankful for your takes, whether others agree or not. I'm also thankful our players are headed in the right direction as a cohesive unit and that we are even getting to have these discussions.
09-06-2020, 09:06 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Fred Smoot weighed 165 lbs and was an All American.

lol- Fred Smoot didnt weigh 165 when he was at Miss State
09-06-2020, 09:09 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

You mentioned what you've heard about the D. Got anything on the offense? How are QB/WR doing? O-line? scheme? etc...

OL is looking good. WR's are indeed getting better. Offense has a chance to be solid. Shrader supposedly is almost assuredly going to be the 3rd guy due to inaccuracy if "sources" are to be believed
09-06-2020, 10:19 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by RiverCityDawg

So why were they moving Jarrian to safety? Or would it be different now that Williams quit? In my opinion Jarrian has hips like a safety not a corner, though he doesn't seem eager to tackle like you would want with a safety. I suppose he could still be below average at both of those spots AND be one of our better options this year.

I think I would rather just take lumps with Forbes and Richardson who want to be here... But ask me again on 9/26 at about 3:00.

I think Jones is the bigger loss because our depth at safety is worse than it is on the DL. Either way both Jones and Lovett and Lovett's Dad didn't want to be here so I still think in the long run we're better off without them.
09-06-2020, 10:20 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Fred Smoot weighed 165 lbs and was an All American.

Cam Dantzler may be a better example.
09-06-2020, 10:21 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

He's had a solid camp. He's really tightened up his throwing motion & is doing better. People are mistaking the fact that Will May be slightly ahead of him that he's done at MSU at QB. I think that's way premature & it's going to be a great battle next Spring. I think the biggest thing is that guys just gravitate to Will. He has a magnetic personality.

If Rogers does indeed have intangibles like that it's going to be hard for Shrader to beat him out.
09-07-2020, 01:09 AM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Cam Dantzler may be a better example.

If you're talking value based on weight it doesn't matter. Smoot was lighter than Dantzler and shorter.
09-07-2020, 01:14 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

If you're talking value based on weight it doesn't matter. Smoot was lighter than Dantzler and shorter.

I don't really think there is value in weight- at least not at CB. My point was I was agreeing with you that you can play CB at 165 and be good. I had a class with Smoot and we were essentially the same size- height and weight wise and I weighed 180 then.

The biggest thing with CB to me is their ball skills. Can you cover the guy? Or do you get burned.
09-07-2020, 12:38 PM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

For now. We’ll see how long that lasts

Jones is their starting CB and Lovett is 2nd at nose. Both will be playing a shit ton.
09-07-2020, 12:42 PM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by msbulldog

The defense is not going to be as bad as ya'll think it's going to be. We have some athletes and a scheme that's going to use that athleticism. Most of ya'll are too young to remember what Joe Lee Dunn did with the blitz. Bookmark this post and make me eat my words. HAIL STATE!

This isn't the same SEC Joe Lee coached in. The defense will not be good. They'll have their moments here and there, but this year will be a struggle. We've also got to recruit better on that side.
09-07-2020, 04:40 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I said ?arguably?. Crumedy and Pickering have chances to be pretty good players. But neither is dominant and after having a 10 year run of dominant guys on the DL- that hurts us.

Not sure any of the 3 are real SEC difference makers but Pickering is the one that came in with all the hype. Will be disappointed if he doesn't become a big factor on our DL at some point, hopefully this year. Would certainly have liked to have kept Lovett but he just seemed to be a big body in there and was always disgruntled even going back to his recruiting process. I didn't see him ever being anything more on our DL than 'solid' which was fine.
09-07-2020, 05:52 PM
32 Dive

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Fred Smoot weighed 165 lbs and was an All American.

Smoot`s JAWS were 165. He worked them out, constantly.
09-07-2020, 07:37 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Jones is their starting CB and Lovett is 2nd at nose. Both will be playing a shit ton.

Florida State had the 88th ranked defense in the country last year (worse than us) and has had a lot of defensive injuries in camp. They would be playing for us if they were here but Jones isn’t worth a shit, which probably says a lot about what we can expect in our secondary.
09-07-2020, 07:41 PM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by 32 Dive

Smoot`s JAWS were 165. He worked them out, constantly.

Ha
09-07-2020, 07:42 PM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I don't really think there is value in weight- at least not at CB. My point was I was agreeing with you that you can play CB at 165 and be good. I had a class with Smoot and we were essentially the same size- height and weight wise and I weighed 180 then.

The biggest thing with CB to me is their ball skills. Can you cover the guy? Or do you get burned.

I played with Smoot and he was tiny in the 175 range.
09-07-2020, 08:29 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

I played with Smoot and he was tiny in the 175 range.

I hear you. And I like I said I was 180. I wouldn't consider him tiny for a CB by any stretch of the imagination. Especially for a CB in the 90's.
09-07-2020, 08:36 PM
msu15

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Jones is their starting CB and Lovett is 2nd at nose. Both will be playing a shit ton.

Once it was revealed that Lovett was the one that had a problem with the workouts and wanted to talk to a coach about it I was done with him. We can't win big at MSU with guys like that. We already have too many hurdles to overcome to have to worry about a guy's heart.
09-08-2020, 06:00 AM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I hear you. And I like I said I was 180. I wouldn't consider him tiny for a CB by any stretch of the imagination. Especially for a CB in the 90's.

Dude you act like we're talking in the 50's. A 175 pound cb in the 90's was small. He could only bench 225 1 time for the scouts. That's why he struggled with big WR'S. I think you're trying to equate yourself with him. If so you would have been a small player too bro. It is what it is.
09-08-2020, 06:36 AM
RiverCityDawg

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

I played with Smoot and he was tiny in the 175 range.

Yep. Smoot weighed in at 172 at the NFL combine.
09-08-2020, 06:55 AM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by RiverCityDawg

Yep. Smoot weighed in at 172 at the NFL combine.

soaken wet...lol
09-08-2020, 07:06 AM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by RiverCityDawg

Yep. Smoot weighed in at 172 at the NFL combine.

Yep.
And his 1 rep of 225 was the worst in combine history. He could cover though.
09-08-2020, 07:45 AM
FISHDAWG

I see some impatience and higher expectations ... Don't forget that after the first year under JoMo we ALL KNEW we were in for several mediocre years until a competent HC would come along ... and that HC was going to need a few more years as well. I enjoy optimism but it's not like we weren't all expecting this

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