But SHOULD win 2 of the 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I mean we could play the COULD game all day
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But SHOULD win 2 of the 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I mean we could play the COULD game all day
NC State will probabaly be pretty good. They were supposed to be good, were in nearly every game, and have almost everybody back. It's up there. Ole Miss gave us all we want ed in Vegas and it's up there. Kentucky is up there and they are going to be good again. Missouri will be at least decent. We are going to be going into the year running a different system that offensively at least, we aren't very well suited to as it looks right now. If Leach gets to six wins, he will have done one heck of a job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
[QUOTE=Coach34;1221210]Mizzou returns 19 starters
Kentucky returns 17 starters and we play at their place.
NC State returns 19 starters and we play at their place
A&M returns 17 starters
Joe Moorhead beat Kentucky this year. We beat them damn near every year. NC State was one of the worst teams in the country this year. Missouri has a new coach and play us in Starkville. They were also really bad last year. We will be favored against NC State and Missouri and will be around a pick Em against Kentucky. We will have a head coaching advantage against all 3 of those teams. A&M is not a tossup. They recruit top ten athletes.
Why "should" we win these? All bring back way more experience than we do. I've got Ky as a loss. Ky is always a tossup now under Stoops and where we are now as a program. It's at Lexington ... Advantage Ky.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
There are years we should absolutely beat TAM (not next year). But going by recruiting rankings that is never the case. You can't go by recruiting rankings when you want to then not use when you don't want to. It don't work that way.
NC State lost to Georgia Tech this year and went 4-8.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
We have lost 2 straight at Kentucky and they return a better football team in 2020Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
NC State started alot of freshmen in 2019 including their QB. They will be vastly improved in 2020Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Why should we beat Kentucky and Missouri? Is that a serious question? We have better players and a better head coach than both. That's why.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
I'm done discussing this till we have more information
Our defense started a ton of freshman last year and you don't expect us to be vastly improved. We also started a freshman quarterback.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
because our freshmen were back-ups that got pressed into action. The guys in front of them were far superior.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Not yet with KY. They have way more experience coming back and continuity in coaching and are well coached.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Lol ... I believe you started it dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
What? Kentucky and Mizzou both has won more games than we have the last 4 seasons. Both teams returns the bulk of their starters in 2020 and will be favored over us. If we win either game its a big upset for usQuote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Beating Mizzou at home is a big upset for us?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
You're expecting this thing to his rock bottom then. I disagree
Kentucky and Missouri both play in the East. Kentucky would not go to a bowl game and would have a new coach if they had to play in the West. Missouri has another coach and they don't even play in the West. That's a ridiculously flawed way to make any reasonable argument. Beating Missouri or Kentucky will not be a huge upset next year and it doesn't matter if we play them on Mars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
No they weren't, they had 7 losses by 14 or more points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_N..._team#Schedule
Mizzou returns 19 starters- 10 on defense. We have huge holes on D and are changing offenses. Yeah- we are the underdog in this match-up in 2020. I'm not betting on Gus Walley, Austin Williams, and Osirius Mitchell in 2020Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Missouri is 25-25 and 13-19 over the last 4 years, so no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
And our backups were also a shit ton more highly recruited than anyone on NC State's roster. Playing time helps ours as much as it helped theirs no matter the reason for being pressed into action.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Yea but still.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
I think its safe to say you're more than dubious at the prospects of this HC hire working out. We get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
But Mizzou is changing schemes as well. Do they get knocked for that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
The Mizzou game is later in the schedule, so hopefully we have gotten better by then
But you are betting on the random 3 stars with no offers that play for Missouri and went 6-6 last year and have to play on the road without Kelly Bryant and with a new coach who has not proven that he can hold Leach's jock strap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Yep, they are going to be good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Usually ACC teams that go 4-8 and get blown out in almost all of those losses don't suddenly become "good," at least by SEC standards, in 1 year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Wins
NM
TUL
Ark
Alabama A&M
Toss ups
KY
MZ
OM
NC State
Losses
A&M
Bama
Auburn
LSU
So, this team could get somewhere between 4 & 8 wins. If we split the tossups, then we get 6.
That's about all I think we can say right now.
I'm counting that as a W. It's OM that I think may be an L in Oxford. Combine that with KY loss and I have 6-6. There could truly be a WTF loss next year tho ... But there could also be a corresponding WTF win too.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
This, They will be improved, but they won't be good. Saying a 4-8 ACC team with a 36 talent ranking is going to be good is dumb. Lacks thought processQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Their new HC has been successful and they have as much talent as we do with alot more experience returning. It's a toss-up at bestQuote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Looking at recruiting ranking is ****ing stupid. Experience factor far outweighs thatQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Mizzou has a talent ranking of 40 & we're 23Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Their new head coach has 1 year experience at head coach at a g5 school with a roster that was built by someone else. Our head coach is much better than their head coach until proven otherwise. They do not have as much talent as we do. They went 6-6 in the sec east with a full roster and a quarterback that's going to make an NFL roster. They recruit worse than us every single year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
According to WSU fan over on SPS it takes little time to install offense but about 2 years to perfect it. And in Leach's 1st year he was hampered by his inherited QB and a diva WR that ended up kicked off of team.
We'll probably go through some of that.
[QUOTE=Coach34;1221302]Looking at recruiting ranking is ****ing stupid. Experience factor far outweighs that[/
Sometimes. Depends on if the players are worth a shit.
So Eli Drinkwitz gets credit for "has been successful" for his 1 year as a head coach, going 12-1 in a G5 conference taking over for a team that had won 41 games over the previous 4 years, but Leach doesn't get credit for 18 years of success in P5 conferences when he inherited awful teams and had to improve them himself? Ok....Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Replied to wrong quote
I'll say this.
I get Coach's point. I really do.
I think as MSU we are gong to struggle mightily with the win/loss guess this year because we simply have no idea whatsoever what an air raid MSU looks like, we have no idea if we have a QB that can run it, we have no idea what the roster will look like, & MOST of all we have no idea how poorly this team was coached under Joe.
All this said, the guesses are going to be extreme this year in both directions. I'm leaning on the fact that this coach has made a bowl game 16 of 18 years as head coach & that means something to me. It means that he knows what he is doing. It means he knows how to implement his system, & he knows how to run the entire program.
Leach is not taking over a dumpster fire. He's taking over a talented team that lost it's way. At least that's the way I see it.
And here we go again. I was the jackass because I kept saying our coach was JoVester in 2019. Boys- you bout to be disappointed in 2020. We are going to work hard for 6 wins. Will be happy if we get it.
Honestly ... I'm making some guesses but really have no clue on next year. Kinda trying to not get too wooly and setting myself up for major disappointment.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg